2021 Non-Crows AFL Talk 2: are the VFL corrupt?

[RoweyThePainter]

After annually declaring a bloke a "missing puzzle piece" you'd think they'd stray away from this kind of obvious hubris

It is upsetting when you buy a 1500 piece puzzle only to find there are a plethora of missing pieces.

 

[RoweyThePainter]

They already did that on the MMM call for the GC V Brisbane game on the weekend..I nearly crashed the car when I heard it used and thought....fcukers can't let things go

I don't mind that, it was almost a compliment back in the day, the Vics couldnt compete with SA's slick handball game. I took the development to an accusation of cheating with pride.

 

[Maddogmetro]

HTB rule:

Really, is it that hard, do we need more changes to the rule, or do we just need to enforce it properly?


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This skips the genuine attempt element of htb when there is no prior opportunity.

 

[Vader]

This skips the genuine attempt element of htb when there is no prior opportunity.

When was the last time we saw one of those? As distinct from pretending to handball, while gripping the ball tightly to ensure it doesn't spill into the hands of the waiting opposition?

 

[RoweyThePainter]

It doesnt matter what they do, interpretations will change weekly and also within games and per umpire.

Almost to the point I think the rule should be "If you possess the ball longer than the umpire deems reasonable then a free will be paid". Totally grey but may have a better result.

 

[Thetrader15]

This skips the genuine attempt element of htb when there is no prior opportunity.

I don't think you need it, the umpires should be calling for a ball up much faster. No prior, tackle, ball up.

 

[Thetrader15]

It doesnt matter what they do, interpretations will change weekly and also within games and per umpire.

Almost to the point I think the rule should be "If you possess the ball longer than the umpire deems reasonable then a free will be paid". Totally grey but may have a better result.

Can we have this for shots at goal too please!

 

[RoweyThePainter]

When was the last time we saw one of those? As distinct from pretending to handball, while gripping the ball tightly to ensure it doesn't spill into the hands of the waiting opposition?

Worst htb this year was vs McAdam, grabbed it in mid air but was expected to dispose of it before hitting the ground.

 

[RoweyThePainter]

Can we have this for shots at goal too please!

I am not adverse to that. Of course all this relies on competent umps with a good feel for the game. Hmmm, those ridiculous "insufficient intent" freescome to mind.

 

[Thetrader15]

I am not adverse to that. Of course all this relies on competent umps with a good feel for the game. Hmmm, those ridiculous "insufficient intent" freescome to mind.

I 'love' the 'insufficient intent' and then 20s later at the other end of the ground we get 'the ball was held in'.

 

[RoweyThePainter]

I 'love' the 'insufficient intent' and then 20s later at the other end of the ground we get 'the ball was held in'.

I have a lot of friends who were not brought up with Aussie Rules. You try to explain the rules while watching a game ... ah forget about it. Have another beer.

 

[MatthewB]

I 'love' the 'insufficient intent' and then 20s later at the other end of the ground we get 'the ball was held in'.

bring back one umpire then there is only one interpretation

 

[Maddogmetro]

When was the last time we saw one of those? As distinct from pretending to handball, while gripping the ball tightly to ensure it doesn't spill into the hands of the waiting opposition?

This is one of my pet hates - the pretend handball.

The genuine attempt element is part of the rule though (as far as I remember).

 

[Vader]

This is one of my pet hates - the pretend handball.

The genuine attempt element is part of the rule though (as far as I remember).

It's in the rule. I just can't remember seeing a player make "a genuine attempt" that was really genuine.

 

[Scorpus]

HTB rule:

Really, is it that hard, do we need more changes to the rule, or do we just need to enforce it properly?


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"Ball knocked out by the tackle" is what umpires use to excuse blatant dropping of the ball when the player is tackled

Get rid of that rule. If you're too shit to hold the ball firmly when tackled to prevent it being "knocked" out and you therefore don't dispose it correctly, should be a free against for a throw

 

[GROTTO]

It's in the rule. I just can't remember seeing a player make "a genuine attempt" that was really genuine.

If umpires started giving frees for players not making a genuine attempt, I bet the ball would be released a lot more often in tackles.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Personally hate any rule tweak that gives more reward to the tackler

Win the ball ya scrub

 

[Thetrader15]

If umpires started giving frees for players not making a genuine attempt, I bet the ball would be released a lot more often in tackles.

Just call a ball up as soon as the player is tackled if there's no prior opportunity. Then throw it up immediately, don't wait for everyone to crowd around.

Have a default ruck who goes for each contest. Then if someone else wants to contest it, they have to nominate as soon as a ball up is called. It should all take about 5 seconds.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

"Ball knocked out by the tackle" is what umpires use to excuse blatant dropping of the ball when the player is tackled

Get rid of that rule. If you're too sh*t to hold the ball firmly when tackled to prevent it being "knocked" out and you therefore don't dispose it correctly, should be a free against for a throw

I agree that the rule is redundant because it's rarely actually put to use but I'm worried if they did actually clamp down on it, the game wouldn't flow at all because the ball being knocked out of a players hands is something which happens so frequently. There are so many players around the ball these days, I'm not sure its right to call a player shit because it gets knocked out of his hands.

 

[Scorpus]

I agree that the rule is redundant because it's rarely actually put to use but I'm worried if they did actually clamp down on it, the game wouldn't flow at all because the ball being knocked out of a players hands is something which happens so frequently.

The difference would come down to whether you take possession of the ball or not.

If you haven't completed a "possession" then it should be fine. But if you pick the ball up, are clearly holding it, and just drop it the second you are tackled that should be a throw.

Often it's paid holding the man which is infuriating

 

[GROTTO]

If my UberEats meal is late, can I complain to a Mod here?

 

[GROTTO]

If Melbourne win the flag, does Roo get his mate who is out of contract back to Adelaide?

 

[GROTTO]

None of Shai Bolton (wrist), Trent Cotchin (hamstring), Shane Edwards (ankle), Kane Lambert (calf) or Dion Prestia (calf) will be ready in time for Friday night’s trip to the Gabba.

However four of them - Lambert excluded - are likely to be in the mix for Round 11’s game against Adelaide.



I love the timing.

Apparently the Pies will be getting a few players back for their game versus us too.

#keepHorneInSA

 

[RoweyThePainter]

"Ball knocked out by the tackle" is what umpires use to excuse blatant dropping of the ball when the player is tackled

Get rid of that rule. If you're too sh*t to hold the ball firmly when tackled to prevent it being "knocked" out and you therefore don't dispose it correctly, should be a free against for a throw

Yeesss!!! Surely knocked out by tackle and incorrect disposal is same thing?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The difference would come down to whether you take possession of the ball or not.

If you haven't completed a "possession" then it should be fine. But if you pick the ball up, are clearly holding it, and just drop it the second you are tackled that should be a throw.

Often it's paid holding the man which is infuriating

Isn't that what the current rule is supposed to be though? They end up calling play on 90% of the time because the line between a fair possession vs grasping at the ball is pretty thin when there's a heap of guys around the footy.