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Just get him in.

Patience, my boy.

Newchurch needs time in the SANFL to get his defensive work cleaned up. Could be a debut in the back half of this season though. Take the time now to sort out his deficiencies and we have a potentially AA quality small forward on our hands to combine with Thilthorpe.
 
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Patience, my boy.

Newchurch needs time in the SANFL to get his defensive work cleaned up. Could be a debut in the back half of this season though. Take the time now to sort out his deficiencies and we have a potentially AA quality small forward on our hands to combine with Thilthorpe.
How did Charlie go in the SANFL? Newchurch is gonna be one of those players that looks awesome in the AFL and not great in the SANFL
 
it’s always good to get corroboration 😂😂
I saw this post verbatim (copy and paste) on Facebook by some dude called Dan. 😜
I opened Facebook and it was the first post. I though shit I just read that 10 seconds ago on big footy. 🤣
 
... yeah, but apart from those, what have the Romans ever done for us?
I think my point is (and these are a list of the very best players) were they better after they were 27/28 years old. Probably not. Few are.
 
How did Charlie go in the SANFL? Newchurch is gonna be one of those players that looks awesome in the AFL and not great in the SANFL
How do you arrive at that statement....Cameron only played a handful of SANFL games and it was quickly established he was too good for that level based on his performances at that level..
AFL career
Cameron showed excellent form in the SANFL early in his first season, and was rewarded with a promotion to the senior list, replacing the injured Nathan van Berlo. He made his debut in round 9 against Collingwood, kicking a goal and evading a tackle to set up another. Cameron went on to play seven AFL games in 2014 despite battling a groin injury, kicking nine goals including a bag of three against Fremantle in round 12. At the end of the season he won the Crows' Mark Bickley Emerging Talent Award.


 
smart move

not sure how I feel about our players making smart contract choices, feels ominous
It's a great move for us as well. If he gets through the next two years uninjured, then his next contract is his Captaincy contract.
If he's injured all the way through, then me avoid a 5 year mistake.
 

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I think my point is (and these are a list of the very best players) were they better after they were 27/28 years old. Probably not. Few are.
I think you're on the money. All of those players played excellent, outstanding, amazing, football after their 27th birthday - but I'm not sure that any of them played better after their 27th than they did before it.

Take a couple of examples, where their achievements pre-27th birthday are easy to quantify:
Dustin Martin - won the Brownlow, his first Norm Smith, the year he turned 26. It's very hard to say that he was better after his 27th birthday (26th June 2018) than before it.
Gary Ablett Jnr - both of his premierships, his first Brownlow, and 4 of his 8 AA selections, all happened before his 27th birthday.

Eddie Betts is the only one on that list who really achieved more after his 27th than before it. He joined Adelaide just after his 27th, so it's a fairly easy demarcation line to work with. His best goal kicking seasons were at Adelaide - with 63 goals in 2015 and 75 goals in 2016. However, he'd previously kicked 50 goals in 2011, in a team which was nowhere near as good at creating opportunities for him to score. Was his improved output at Adelaide due to him improving as a player (after his 27th birthday), or the result of having a better team around him? I leave everyone to make their own decision.
 
Was at the game, Borlase was the standout defender by mile. Doesn't look any shorter from the stands than Fisher or Worrell. He just knows how to play the game and agility is deceptive...has a bit of John Klug about him. Pedlar was also good and will be a full time first team player soon... .a natural mid. Newchurch will be a gun too .....kicked one of the nicest goals u will c taking four bounces from the midfield and kicking a goal on the run. No one can catch him and can't believe we nearly let him slip to another team. We were thin in the midfield today.....no Ronin O'Connor and Berry promoted. Concerned about Hately and McAsey though....they just don't have any weapons and today's game requires run which is not their strength. Gollant was also impressive and reminds me somewhat of our famous defect to Hawthorn.
You had me at 'John Klug'!
 
How did Charlie go in the SANFL? Newchurch is gonna be one of those players that looks awesome in the AFL and not great in the SANFL

Charlie had come from a rugby background and was a defensive machine. Newchurch is not that at the moment. That will kill his career if he's unable to fix it.
 
fwiw, the discussion on longevity needs to consider the gameplan used by the team, especially if it has a particular flavour too it and has been used for a long time. Hawthorn were fine at contested footy in their recent heydey, but they also knew how to play keepings off. Sydney played a very combative style but also play a lot of games at a tiny home ground where its hard to get running fatigue even if you tried to.

I think another crap aspect to our crap gameplan is that it produces little uncontested play and relies a lot on put your body on the line stuff so it is likely to result in our players declining early relative to the rest of the comp.
 
Both Jack Watts, and Justin Koschitzke were played R1 after their Draft Year, for no other reason than Membership Drives ....... clearly were not ready & their careers impacted

Now that's all arguable .....but what's the rush, are we likely to be a Top 8 contender this year ......hardly

I have this theory - which is not backed up by any data whatsoever so don’t bother asking me for any - that clubs ruin more kids in training than they do in playing them too soon.

My second and far more provable theory is that most of the reasons given for why a naturally talented kid is being held back, come from people who themselves are not naturally talented.

Now I have to stop writing, because I am having Neil Craig flashbacks.
 
Both Jack Watts, and Justin Koschitzke were played R1 after their Draft Year, for no other reason than Membership Drives ....... clearly were not ready & their careers impacted

Now that's all arguable .....but what's the rush, are we likely to be a Top 8 contender this year ......hardly
This is just false.

Koschitzke won the Rising Star in his first year - beating out a field that included Daniel Kerr, Cameron Ling, Bob Murphy and Corey Enright.

Watts (in)famously debuted halfway through his first year on the Queen’s Birthday.
 

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