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What’s the view on whether lockdown defenders are born or made? I mean, if Busslinger is a 196cm intercept defender, can he be developed to be a lockdown defender? Or does that sort of development almost never happen?
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Great question. For mine it depends on the individual and how much he wants to work on it.
A great example is a guy named Warner. No one ever expected him to turn into an opening test match batsman.
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Hollands to me is like a more outside version of Walsh. Walsh is a better contested player.
Hollands and Walsh are both always on the move, always running. I think that’s the type of player Carlton needs.
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Weitering started as more of an intercept defender before being developed into a hybrid role.
Wasn’t great one-on-one at the start of his career, partly because he played as much as a forward and even played stints in the midfield at junior level, but you can learn the craft over time - look at Jones, for example.
I’d be happy to take Busslinger if he’s available. Sometimes intercept defenders slip slightly for no real reason other than clubs with earlier picks prioritising midfielders eg Naughton in 2017 (when he was a defender), or Gibcus in 2021.
Looks like he has a fair bit of talent.
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Where does Busslinger actually fit in our team if we were to select him? Some have been saying play Young as a forward but that seems unrealistic to me. Then you still have Gov vs Marchy competing for spots as I don't think we can play both of them with Weiters and Young. Then you also throw Busslinger into the mix?
Seems like a waste of a top 10 (11) pick when an outside mid like Hollands or KPF like Jefferson is personally more of a list need. (don't get me wrong I still want more KPD depth but later in the draft or with an SSP recruit)
Seems like a waste of a top 10 (11) pick when an outside mid like Hollands or KPF like Jefferson is personally more of a list need. (don't get me wrong I still want more KPD depth but later in the draft or with an SSP recruit)
You generally don't look at draftees for the now, but if they are ready to go from day dot, you shuffle the magnets
Busslinger, you could use Young forward, or Gov and play, Busslinger as a 3rd tall to start with
Hollands is more inside, that can play outside, but will he push Acres, Cerra, Walsh, Cotts out of the side round 1 on a wing?
Hotton, competing with the likes of Martin, Cuners, etc for that role
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I'm confused to the rationale...
Young was moved on by the dogs because he was an average forward/ruck...
A position they desperately needed, found his way to us and a niche as a defender, same kind of story with Carlton version of McGovern...
Now we want to make them forwards again, just so we can draft a KPD (Busslinger) at 11?
Why not just draft the best KPF left (Jefferson)?
An actual forward that specialises in being a forward and leave Young and Gov as defenders, where they are thriving...
Would prefer Phillipou or Humphrey at 11... But, the forward line below would be deadly for many years...
Fisher - Jefferson - Durdin
Motlop - McKay - Curnow
If desperate for a KPD, we could always take Van Es at pick 29...
Young was moved on by the dogs because he was an average forward/ruck...
A position they desperately needed, found his way to us and a niche as a defender, same kind of story with Carlton version of McGovern...
Now we want to make them forwards again, just so we can draft a KPD (Busslinger) at 11?
Why not just draft the best KPF left (Jefferson)?
An actual forward that specialises in being a forward and leave Young and Gov as defenders, where they are thriving...
Would prefer Phillipou or Humphrey at 11... But, the forward line below would be deadly for many years...
Fisher - Jefferson - Durdin
Motlop - McKay - Curnow
If desperate for a KPD, we could always take Van Es at pick 29...
If this was a response to my post, I think you misread the message, that being, you don’t draft a player for immediate needs, moreso what they will become in time.
Not suggesting we should draft Busslinger, but if the club rated him highly, why would we pass on him to then take Van Es, wouldn't we then have the same scenario of how would we fit him into the backline?
On Humphrey, I really hope he is gone by our pick, or we do pass if he is still on the board. Imagine him continuing to miss multiple shots on goal, people will claim it is mental fragility rather than just being a poor kick
My choice at first pick is Jefferson, think we need a developing forward who has said loves to play back also. He has the right mindset, he’s tall, kicks goals and saves them.
Seems the perfect option to me!!
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Yeah Jeffo sounds ideal for our team. Versatility is very handy. In a way bit similar to how we used casboult but without rucking.
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Did Young have written into his contract that he actually must play seniors come what may?
He wasn't even picked for round 1 with everyone available. He filled in admirably when he was the only tall defender standing, then tapered off. He had moments where he looked very good, but there were certainly plenty of other moments. People saying he is a 10 year defender are being a bit premature.
If we play an opponent that isn't particularly tall, I see no issue with Weiters, Gov and Marchbank being the 3 talls. On talent they are all picked way ahead of Young. Young would defintely be needed for certain match-ups though.
If Busslinger projects to be better than Young, then so what? Young doesn't play and we are a better team for it.
I am sure clubs would have done significant research on Humphrey to make a informed decision on his kicking, if they see it as a major issue, sure he will drop down the order, but with the right mindset sure this can be improved to a much better level and he has some real qualities that will benefit most teams, pretty certain most players will have some improvement areas to evolve in a AFL System.
Busslinger is the best tall defender in this draft, with a draft full of mids, we can obtain another mid with our 2nd pick if we have the option of taking him with our 1st pick.
Most recruiters say that while you can improve a player's kicking, they believe it's only marginal. I can't think of any draftee that went from poor to being even rated as good, in terms of improvement
I am still really surprised how high a couple of clubs rate Humphrey
As for tall defenders, not sure I would rate Busslinger as a clear standout, but it comes down to moreso the style. I see him more as the Bazzo/Nathan Murphy type, a intercept tall, rather than say a Hayes who is more like a Harris Andrews type
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Young was a kpd at the dogs.
We hunted him (presumably with Austin's insight).
They didn't want to match our contract offer
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This draft probably seems to have some very mixed views of players on their rating, and it is certaintly going to be interesting to see what unfolds on the draft night, l get the feeling there are going to be some surprises, personally think with the stage of our list we will try to trade up to a higher position to obtain the best quality at the higher end of the draft as a 1st option, whether that is successful will be interesting.
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It seems to be a draft where different clubs' ratings of players varies dramatically.
If Humphrey does last to our pick, I think we get a trade done.
While I rate Clark, McKenzie and Ginbey, the only player I would trade up for is Sheezel, but suspect North take him
I think we are in a good position to let the draft come to us and at that point, if there is a real slider you take him, otherwise I would either trade back for multiple late 1st rounders, or add another late teen or early 20s pick
I think the picks from 10-25 are very even
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Agree on Sheezel, but also like Philipou and would really something to our list we don't have now.
Agree on Clark & Ginbey not so much Mckenzie, probably have him on a similar level to Hollands.
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Young isn't a lock for the longer term, as he needs to continue to work on his contested marking efforts. We're also still crossing our fingers that Sam Durdin's long history of injuries is over.
We still need to think long term at the position, and Busslinger seems undervalued in the draft pool. With Plowman, Newman and Durdin likely out the door at the end of next year, I don't think the selection pressure you're worried about will exist once this kid would start putting his hand up to play.
Gee this is an underwhelming draft isn’t it?
I’m not falling in love with any of these kids, even the supposed best one in Ashcroft. They all seem to have so many question marks on their longer term ability. Wardlaw and Sheezel look the best of the top prospects (lucky North)
Philippou seems a trap and I hope we steer clear and I’m not as down on Humphrey as some others. I’d be okay with him.
Tbh Jefferson looks to have the most upside to my eye at around our range. He could develop into an unbelievable forward so I’d pull the trigger on him even though most would want instant gratification with someone who could play next year.
But yeah not overly enthused with this lot.
I’m not falling in love with any of these kids, even the supposed best one in Ashcroft. They all seem to have so many question marks on their longer term ability. Wardlaw and Sheezel look the best of the top prospects (lucky North)
Philippou seems a trap and I hope we steer clear and I’m not as down on Humphrey as some others. I’d be okay with him.
Tbh Jefferson looks to have the most upside to my eye at around our range. He could develop into an unbelievable forward so I’d pull the trigger on him even though most would want instant gratification with someone who could play next year.
But yeah not overly enthused with this lot.
Agree with you, we can sit back and allow the flow of the draft naturally one of Humphrey, Phillipou or Ginbey should be attainable. Especially if Ed Allen bolts.
Clark or McKenzie either would be really great , but reckon they’ll be off the board. Ginbey is ok but an average kick of the footy.
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Im sure others have already replied but I would love Busslinger for a few reasons.
Firstly Gov and Marchy and both severely injury prone, come next season I will be surprised if either is offered a new deal, we will do well to retain one, regardless of talent, we can’t keep carrying players who can’t get on the park.
Secondly, Young is still relatively unknown in my book, he had a good first season and hopefully he continues to improve, but it’s not a certainty.
I could see Walsh and Holland forming a brilliant chemistry!
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