List Mgmt. 2022 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals: Kinnear & Dalrymple - we march to no drum but our own!

[Ticky009]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Actually don't mind this. We agree on our first, although I reckon if Ginbey was there, I might pick him instead of Hustwaite or Allan. If we got Hustwaite, I think that a ruck would be the priority for our other picks (over KPD). Particularly a ruck like Barnett who isn't a slouch going forward.

To cover all bases, I think we could agree that the following would be a good draft? It covers off every need for me.

14 (17) - Ginbey
17 (20) - Barnett
43 (41) - Van Es

If we take Barnett I would be going a small at 43. If we don’t take Barnett then take the best tall at 43. I agree on Gibney though I doubt he’s there even at 14, think WC take him. I have more faith in Busslinger being there at this stage. I’m in favour of a 2-1 split small to tall this draft.

 

[Bloods86]

OK rusty here goes (keeping in mind I haven't seen a single one of these kids in action):

Pick 14 - Hollands
Pick 17 - Barnett
Pick 42 - Teal (though I keep hearing we're interested in Van Es)

Rookie - Edwards

If we have another rookie pick we'll probably pick some skinny flanker who will never be what Brady Rowles was.

My main query would be why Hollands? Seems like his athletic traits are great, but I'd probably want to get someone with more of an inside mid focus. Hence why I'd prefer Ginbey or Hustwaite over Allan etc.

Not sure getting in a hybrid mid will help Rowbottom get off the chain a bit more.

I'd be fine with a medium defender like Teal if we're banking on Edwards. Lost COR, about to lose Rampe, and Fox (while hitting his peak) has arguably a couple of years left before he might decline. Gould, Francis are more for the talls.

Although I get this is probably what you think we'll do rather than what you ideally want?

 

[Bloods86]

If we take Barnett I would be going a small at 43. If we don’t take Barnett then take the best tall at 43. I agree on Gibney though I doubt he’s there even at 14, think WC take him. I have more faith in Busslinger being there at this stage. I’m in favour of a 2-1 split small to tall this draft.

Now that it's confirmed that we've nominated Edwards, I can tolerate not picking up a KPD in the national draft. I agree Barnett would be a priority over a KPD, and if we got him, then picked 2 smalls, I can live with that.

If we were to pick up 2 of Hustwaite, Allan, Ginbey, George, Hotton etc at our first 2 picks, then I'd be wanting us to just go with the best ruck available at 41.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

My main query would be why Hollands? Seems like his athletic traits are great, but I'd probably want to get someone with more of an inside mid focus. Hence why I'd prefer Ginbey or Hustwaite over Allan etc.

Not sure getting in a hybrid mid will help Rowbottom get off the chain a bit more.

I'd be fine with a medium defender like Teal if we're banking on Edwards. Lost COR, about to lose Rampe, and Fox (while hitting his peak) has arguably a couple of years left before he might decline. Gould, Francis are more for the talls.

Although I get this is probably what you think we'll do rather than what you ideally want?

Hollands is just so vanilla for mine, he'll be "fine" but do I see him more than a bench role player not particularly. Feel at 14 we can take a more risky option.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Now that it's confirmed that we've nominated Edwards, I can tolerate not picking up a KPD in the national draft. I agree Barnett would be a priority over a KPD, and if we got him, then picked 2 smalls, I can live with that.

If we were to pick up 2 of Hustwaite, Allan, Ginbey, George, Hotton etc at our first 2 picks, then I'd be wanting us to just go with the best ruck available at 41.

yep, it depends just how far Barnett is ahead of the other rucks. If he's way ahead, take him at 17, no one will go before that. After the two first rounders, then evaluate what we need at 43. I wouldn't be against Konstanty wither at 17, I know many disagree but we need a small forward as well.

 

[Bloods86]

Hollands is just so vanilla for mine, he'll be "fine" but do I see him more than a bench role player not particularly. Feel at 14 we can take a more risky option.

I don't think you need to have X factor, I just don't think what he offers is what we really need. We've got a mix of players who can play outside, or hybrid roles. I would rather just take more pure inside mid early, then if we have a Cat A rookie spot, get a winger or hybrid type there if we must.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I don't think you need to have X factor, I just don't think what he offers is what we really need. We've got a mix of players who can play outside, or hybrid roles. I would rather just take more pure inside mid early, then if we have a Cat A rookie spot, get a winger or hybrid type there if we must.

If you don't want the risky option, take Barnett at 14, trade 17 into next year's draft then. I'd much rather a Hustwaite, Gibney, Allen, etc than taking Hollands at 14. Not a fan of Hollands at all.

 

[Bloods86]

yep, it depends just how far Barnett is ahead of the other rucks. If he's way ahead, take him at 17, no one will go before that. After the two first rounders, then evaluate what we need at 43. I wouldn't be against Konstanty wither at 17, I know many disagree but we need a small forward as well.

We're still going to have Wicks, Campbell, Sheather, Cunningham, Sheldrick at reserves level who can play small forward. As well as Gulden in the senior team who can too. Just don't see it as a need.

Pick 17 is likely our first pick by the way. If we rate Barnett way more highly than any other ruck, and he's available there, it'll be ridiculous if we don't pick him up then and there. There'll be a good mid available at 20 (our 2nd pick) and probably some value at 41 (our 3rd) for another mid if we want. We seem to do ok with getting mids in the 30s/40s (Warner, Parker etc).

 

[Bloods86]

If you don't want the risky option, take Barnett at 14, trade 17 into next year's draft then. I'd much rather a Hustwaite, Gibney, Allen, etc than taking Hollands at 14. Not a fan of Hollands at all.

We've been over the trading out to next year's draft. It's just madness given we're in a flag window already and we have glaring needs.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We're still going to have Wicks, Campbell, Sheather, Cunningham, Sheldrick at reserves level who can play small forward. As well as Gulden in the senior team who can too. Just don't see it as a need.

Pick 17 is likely our first pick by the way. If we rate Barnett way more highly than any other ruck, and he's available there, it'll be ridiculous if we don't pick him up then and there. There'll be a good mid available at 20 (our 2nd pick) and probably some value at 41 (our 3rd) for another mid if we want. We seem to do ok with getting mids in the 30s/40s (Warner, Parker etc).

None of those are small forwards and I don’t want Wicks near the side thank you very much. It’s not our number 1 need but if we took Konstanty I actually wouldn’t be unhappy.

I’m fine with Barnett but at our second one not our first. I’d be taking the small variety first up, whichever one we choose. Take Barnett second, then take the small at 43 or whatever it is.

 

[Bloods86]

None of those are small forwards and I don’t want Wicks near the side thank you very much. It’s not our number 1 need but if we took Konstanty I actually wouldn’t be unhappy.

I’m fine with Barnett but at our second one not our first. I’d be taking the small variety first up, whichever one we choose. Take Barnett second, then take the small at 43 or whatever it is.

Um, Campbell was drafted as a fwd/mid, his forward work was a significant part of the hype and why he went pick 5. Wicks was the best defensive small forward in the league, first half of 2021, it's entirely possible he can recapture that. Cunningham started as a small forward before moving to the wing, then defence. Sheldrick and Gulden (who was also drafted as a mid/fwd) are capable there. So it's not even remotely a need. It's behind ruck, KPF, KPD (assuming we get Edwards), inside mid, small/med (actual) defender. Maybe it's slighly higher need than half back, but that's about it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Um, Campbell was drafted as a fwd/mid, his forward work was a significant part of the hype and why he went pick 5. Wicks was the best defensive small forward in the league, first half of 2021, it's entirely possible he can recapture that. Cunningham started as a small forward before moving to the wing, then defence. Sheldrick and Gulden (who was also drafted as a mid/fwd) are capable there. So it's not even remotely a need. It's behind ruck, KPF, KPD (assuming we get Edwards), inside mid, small/med (actual) defender. Maybe it's slighly higher need than half back, but that's about it.

Campbell should be off a wing and so should Gulden I’m not counting either as small forwards. They are too good to be played there for mine. Wicks just no don’t please he’s average at absolute best, honestly him and Bell what’s the difference. Sheldrick is an inside mid and sure as anything should be there long term. We don’t have as many if any pure small forwards. Konstanty is a talent he’s the best small forward in this class, is he my number 1 choice no but if we took him I wouldn’t be annoyed

 

[Bloods86]

Campbell should be off a wing and so should Gulden I’m not counting either as small forwards. They are too good to be played there for mine. Wicks just no don’t please he’s average at absolute best, honestly him and Bell what’s the difference. Sheldrick is an inside mid and sure as anything should be there long term. We don’t have as many if any pure small forwards. Konstanty is a talent he’s the best small forward in this class, is he my number 1 choice no but if we took him I wouldn’t be annoyed

If you think Wicks' best is average, then you don't watch Swans games I guess. Forgetting Papley? Think you'll find we generally just don't do pure small forwards.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If you think Wicks' best is average, then you don't watch Swans games I guess. Forgetting Papley? Think you'll find we generally just don't do pure small forwards.

Papley's move to a hybrid is the reason we actually require one, Paps will spend portions on ball. Is it our number 1 need, no. However is it a need if Paps spends 30% on ball yes it is, and small forwards can come in fairly quickly as it's pretty much pressure with a goal or two, not against Konstanty, we could do worse. I'd rather take him than another tall for the sake of it. You won't get me wanting Wicks near a side, we will never agree on that.

 

[Wolftone]

I watched the Elijiah Hewett highlights. One word comes to mind. Compact. Nothing he does is complicated. It is all very measured and compact. No extravagant movement, all totally measured to expend less energy. Loved watching him. He has a low centre of gravity, like a Dame Swan. His delivery is superb because of this and his lack of extravagant movement. Because with less movement there is less chance of stuffing up.

His ball use and decision making are both superb. Hodge comes to mind here. He also seems to know how to control situations. A cool head. I hope we take him.

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[ShireSwan]

Actually don't mind this. We agree on our first, although I reckon if Ginbey was there, I might pick him instead of Hustwaite or Allan. If we got Hustwaite, I think that a ruck would be the priority for our other picks (over KPD). Particularly a ruck like Barnett who isn't a slouch going forward.

To cover all bases, I think we could agree that the following would be a good draft? It covers off every need for me.

14 (17) - Ginbey
17 (20) - Barnett
43 (41) - Van Es

That would be a dream draft.
Unfortunately neither of your first two selections are going to be there for those picks IMO.
Ginbey has a lot of mail as a top ten pick, GC apparently keen, if not WC will surely grab him before us.
Barnett - I'd put $100 on the pies grabbing him with their first selection as they only have Cox and Cameron, which is why I want us to take him with ours no matter who is on the board. Needs must and he looks a solid pick anyways.

Van Es looks good. Will he be there that late?
And surely born 2004 is a mistake....it's making me feel old.

 

[caesar88]

My main query would be why Hollands? Seems like his athletic traits are great, but I'd probably want to get someone with more of an inside mid focus. Hence why I'd prefer Ginbey or Hustwaite over Allan etc.

Not sure getting in a hybrid mid will help Rowbottom get off the chain a bit more.

I'd be fine with a medium defender like Teal if we're banking on Edwards. Lost COR, about to lose Rampe, and Fox (while hitting his peak) has arguably a couple of years left before he might decline. Gould, Francis are more for the talls.

Although I get this is probably what you think we'll do rather than what you ideally want?

Correct, just my predictions. I don't know enough about any of the prospects to have individual preferences, but I have been vocal that I'd much prefer we get talls

 

[Ticky009]

Pick 14: Hustwaite, or Allen (Only couple I don't want are Hollands/Hewett- very vanilla)
Pick 17: Ginbey (more hope though), Brayden George, Jacob Konstanty- I expect Barnett to be called and I won't be disappointed.
Pick 43: Jacob Van Es (or best tall prospect)

I'm hoping Konstanty for our 2nd pick.

 

[Ticky009]

If you think Wicks' best is average, then you don't watch Swans games I guess. Forgetting Papley? Think you'll find we generally just don't do pure small forwards.

I've watched him a fair bit, has lost form and doesn't impact the scoreboard enough. He needs to improve but that shouldn't stop us from recruiting another forward

 

[ShireSwan]

I watched the Elijiah Hewett highlights. One word comes to mind. Compact. Nothing he does is complicated. It is all very measured and compact. No extravagant movement, all totally measured to expend less energy. Loved watching him. He has a low centre of gravity, like a Dame Swan. His delivery is superb because of this and his lack of extravagant movement. Because with less movement there is less chance of stuffing up.

His ball use and decision making are both superb. Hodge comes to mind here. He also seems to know how to control situations. A cool head. I hope we take him.

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He does look a good player. Almost looks a can't miss type. But in an area we have a lot of....Warner, Florent, Gulden, Stephens, Campbell, Warner, Roberts(?)

We'd be leaving either a good ruck, or a good KPD on the shelf to take him...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm hoping Konstanty for our 2nd pick.

Yeah I’d be okay with it too

 

[Bloods86]

I've watched him a fair bit, has lost form and doesn't impact the scoreboard enough. He needs to improve but that shouldn't stop us from recruiting another forward

I agree fully that he's lost form. But that wasn't what I was saying, I was responding to someone who said his best was average, when clearly it isn't.

 

[Bloods86]

That would be a dream draft.
Unfortunately neither of your first two selections are going to be there for those picks IMO.
Ginbey has a lot of mail as a top ten pick, GC apparently keen, if not WC will surely grab him before us.
Barnett - I'd put $100 on the pies grabbing him with their first selection as they only have Cox and Cameron, which is why I want us to take him with ours no matter who is on the board. Needs must and he looks a solid pick anyways.

Van Es looks good. Will he be there that late?
And surely born 2004 is a mistake....it's making me feel old.

Yeah if we think Pies will grab Barnett, I'm happy to get him at our 1st pick (17). If we rate some later/rookie rucks almost as much, I could understand us grabbing the best mid first (well, not understand, but I can reconcile that with Dalrymple's love of mids). But, there's only 1 highly rated ruck, vs a bunch of rated mids that will be around at our first 2 picks, so I'd have thought the priority was clear.

 

[Bloods86]

Papley's move to a hybrid is the reason we actually require one, Paps will spend portions on ball. Is it our number 1 need, no. However is it a need if Paps spends 30% on ball yes it is, and small forwards can come in fairly quickly as it's pretty much pressure with a goal or two, not against Konstanty, we could do worse. I'd rather take him than another tall for the sake of it. You won't get me wanting Wicks near a side, we will never agree on that.

I think Sheldrick's development, a move for Gulden (maybe just needs more time), and the recruitment of another mid, would all lessen the need for Papley to be in midfield. Anyway, we've got Campbell who was a highly rated forward when drafted, currently playing reserves or as sub, he should be the first port of call if we needed another small forward to come in for Paps or Clarke. You can say he should be on a wing, but we have a bunch of others getting preferred at the moment.

I'm not saying Konstanty is bad or anything, it's just we have far more important things to worry about, in both short and long term.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I watched the Elijiah Hewett highlights. One word comes to mind. Compact. Nothing he does is complicated. It is all very measured and compact. No extravagant movement, all totally measured to expend less energy. Loved watching him. He has a low centre of gravity, like a Dame Swan. His delivery is superb because of this and his lack of extravagant movement. Because with less movement there is less chance of stuffing up.

His ball use and decision making are both superb. Hodge comes to mind here. He also seems to know how to control situations. A cool head. I hope we take him.

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Talent-wise, he's a gun. No question.

But temperament-wise .... jury out. There's risk there.

Given he was reportedly the one who put a knee into Sheldrick in a state juniors game - it'd be interesting to know what the dynamic would be like if he walked into the Day 1 of Swans pre-season training.

A club will take him pretty early in the draft, because the talent is too great to ignore. And it might be us!