List Mgmt. 2022 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals: Kinnear & Dalrymple - we march to no drum but our own!

[Ticky009]

 

[BloodySwan]

Talent-wise, he's a gun. No question.

But temperament-wise .... jury out. There's risk there.

Given he was reportedly the one who put a knee into Sheldrick in a state juniors game - it'd be interesting to know what the dynamic would be like if he walked into the Day 1 of Swans pre-season training.

A club will take him pretty early in the draft, because the talent is too great to ignore. And it might be us!

I read somewhere we interviewed him a number of times but I have no idea whether we are still interested.

If he's competitive on the field I'm not so concerned, that can be stamped out. It's his attitude off the field which seems harder to change.

Sydney Stack is a great example, all the talent in the world but wouldn't apply himself. Overlooked in the draft, Tigers were called geniuses for turning him around but a few seasons later he's now delisted and struggling to find a home.

 

[Bloods86]

I read somewhere we interviewed him a number of times but I have no idea whether we are still interested.

If he's competitive on the field I'm not so concerned, that can be stamped out. It's his attitude off the field which seems harder to change.

Sydney Stack is a great example, all the talent in the world but wouldn't apply himself. Overlooked in the draft, Tigers were called geniuses for turning him around but a few seasons later he's now delisted and struggling to find a home.

I suspect if we're confident we can turn Ladhams around, we'd be confident of turning Hewett around. We knew about Ladham's off-field / training professionalism issues beforehand, though his off the ball cheap hits are a more recent thing I think.

Personally it puts me off. But if we think he's a clear standout over others we could get at the same pick, the club might back itself.

 

[caesar88]

Talent-wise, he's a gun. No question.

But temperament-wise .... jury out. There's risk there.

Given he was reportedly the one who put a knee into Sheldrick in a state juniors game - it'd be interesting to know what the dynamic would be like if he walked into the Day 1 of Swans pre-season training.

A club will take him pretty early in the draft, because the talent is too great to ignore. And it might be us!

I imagine Sheldrick would be fine with it, things like that happen in footy and he's probably long since forgotten it even happened.

Whether Beatson & co are fine with it is another matter. Not sure if they'd want someone whose shown unsportsmanlike behaviour - which is different to just having an attitude problem or off-field issues - on our list.

I'm sure we have unsavoury characters in our playing group but I'd imagine they didn't reveal themselves as such before they were drafted.

 

[hairy biker]

Couple of snippets from today's AFL.com's Road to the Draft (with Nat Edwards & Cal Twomey).

Teams inside top 10 unlikely to trade out.
Sydney have been open with clubs that our 2 first rounders are up for grabs potentially for a future first round pick if the players we want aren't available at our picks.

And question was asked who does Elijah Tsatas play like?
According to Twomey, hard to answer, but probably an inside/outside mid, "like Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

".
Not bad for a 39 gamer to be held up as an example.

 

[caesar88]

Teams inside top 10 unlikely to trade out.
Sydney have been open with clubs that our 2 first rounders are up for grabs potentially for a future first round pick if the players we want aren't available at our picks.

Am I reading this wrong or does it give the vibe that we're not overly impressed with this year's draft? Kinda reads as indifference to getting two kids in the first round if they're not the players we're specifically after...

 

[Mathelios]

Am I reading this wrong or does it give the vibe that we're not overly impressed with this year's draft? Kinda reads as indifference to getting two kids in the first round if they're not the players we're specifically after...

My understanding is that there seems to be a pretty clear top 5-10 players this year and then there isn't a whole lot separating the next 15-20 after that. So our positioning is a bit unfortunate, just out of reach of those top end talents but probably not all that much better off than having a couple of picks in say the early to mid 20's.

 

[hairy biker]

Am I reading this wrong or does it give the vibe that we're not overly impressed with this year's draft? Kinda reads as indifference to getting two kids in the first round if they're not the players we're specifically after...

That is definitely the way I interpreted it.

Unless we can get to the pointy end (which is unlikely) or players we specifically want are available, we are happy to trade out our picks for a high first rounder next year.

I'm sure it will get many up in arms but I'd be happy for us to do so.
My view having watched the U18 replays is that this is a bog standard draft.
At the top end we have players such as Wardlaw & Tsatas who have missed significant chunks of the season.
That they haven't been overtaken is always a warning sign to me.

Watching the games there is such a lack of consistency from players across games.
You might get a hit, but you are just as likely to get a couple of players who are <100 gamers.

In Kinnear I trust.

 

[caesar88]

That is definitely the way I interpreted it.

Unless we can get to the pointy end (which is unlikely) or players we specifically want are available, we are happy to trade out our picks for a high first rounder next year.

I'm sure it will get many up in arms but I'd be happy for us to do so.
My view having watched the U18 replays is that this is a bog standard draft.
At the top end we have players such as Wardlaw & Tsatas who have missed significant chunks of the season.
That they haven't been overtaken is always a warning sign to me.

Watching the games there is such a lack of consistency from players across games.
You might get a hit, but you are just as likely to get a couple of players who are <100 gamers.

In Kinnear I trust.

That doesn't really fill me with optimism for this draft tbh HB.

I never really hold out hope of us getting the highly-fancied talents anyway, because year after year Beatson & co tend to shun those players in favour of left-field choices.

But I do hold out hope of us finding our next Rowbottom/McInerney/Warner - a mid-draft surprise, a steal who becomes an elite player for us down the road. Having two picks, even if only in the back-end of the first round, still gives us plenty of chances to grab those steals if they're out there.

If we're willing to trade out those two picks just to nab a top player, then maybe Beatson & co just aren't seeing those steals out there in this year's draft...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Am I reading this wrong or does it give the vibe that we're not overly impressed with this year's draft? Kinda reads as indifference to getting two kids in the first round if they're not the players we're specifically after...

Called it think we look at flipping our second first for a f1, won’t be shocked if we go our second first for Essendon f2 either. 25 next year is likely much better

 

[hairy biker]

That doesn't really fill me with optimism for this draft tbh HB.

I never really hold out hope of us getting the highly-fancied talents anyway, because year after year Beatson & co tend to shun those players in favour of left-field choices.

But I do hold out hope of us finding our next Rowbottom/McInerney/Warner - a mid-draft surprise, a steal who becomes an elite player for us down the road. Having two picks, even if only in the back-end of the first round, still gives us plenty of chances to grab those steals if they're out there.

If we're willing to trade out those two picks just to nab a top player, then maybe Beatson & co just aren't seeing those steals out there in this year's draft...

We do still have pick 42 which (after F/S bidding) will probably end up in the late 30s.

McInerney 44, Warner 39.

Maintain the fate caesar88

Just on this draft, my view is if players aren't seen as first round talents then don't use first round picks on them.
Obviously the quality of drafts differs from year to year, but IMO this is a poor draft and we shouldn't 'over capitalise' and if we can trade out and potentially get a better return next year we should do so.

 

[rustycrate]

My main query would be why Hollands? Seems like his athletic traits are great, but I'd probably want to get someone with more of an inside mid focus. Hence why I'd prefer Ginbey or Hustwaite over Allan etc.

Not sure getting in a hybrid mid will help Rowbottom get off the chain a bit more.

I'd be fine with a medium defender like Teal if we're banking on Edwards. Lost COR, about to lose Rampe, and Fox (while hitting his peak) has arguably a couple of years left before he might decline. Gould, Francis are more for the talls.

Although I get this is probably what you think we'll do rather than what you ideally want?

We already have two inside mids in Sheldrick and Roberts.

 

[Dubsforsam1]

Makes you think how nice it would be to have Gold Coasts No7 pick

 

[Bonz]

Makes you think how nice it would be to have Gold Coasts No7 pick

Would be nice to be drafted with it.

Going to come into a very cheap Simmonds home soon.

 

[Ticky009]

Crows continue to for Phillipou by offering next years F1 pick for a selection between 5-10 apparently. Failing that they'll just wait 2 years.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Crows continue to for Phillipou by offering next years F1 pick for a selection between 5-10 apparently. Failing that they'll just wait 2 years.

Won’t nearly be enough you’d expect Adelaide to improve

 

[BloodySwan]

I can't remember which article I read it in but it said we are keen to trade out our first round picks if the players we are after are gone by then. Every chance we walk out with 3x late picks

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I can't remember which article I read it in but it said we are keen to trade out our first round picks if the players we are after are gone by then. Every chance we walk out with 3x late picks

Gut says we take one then flip one to next year. Been saying this for a while we don’t rate this draft for talls.

 

[Ticky009]

Won’t nearly be enough you’d expect Adelaide to improve

If there's any trading of top 10 picks I expect it to be within the top 10 itself. 1-5 seems set so 5-10 might offer some small movements & later picks on the night.

 

[Ticky009]

I can't remember which article I read it in but it said we are keen to trade out our first round picks if the players we are after are gone by then. Every chance we walk out with 3x late picks

What Swans want is F1 pick next year, we'll swap if we get an early one of those.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If there's any trading of top 10 picks I expect it to be within the top 10 itself. 1-5 seems set so 5-10 might offer some small movements & later picks on the night.

Yeah think the 5 is set you’d have to offer the Kings Ransom to get in there. Then it’s very even for 10-12 or so. Then the rest. It’s a tier draft as I call them

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What Swans want is F1 pick next year, we'll swap if we get an early one of those.

Essendons future second isn’t the worst deal that’s a pick say 23 or so

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Gut says we take one then flip one to next year. Been saying this for a while we don’t rate this draft for talls.

Well that would make for two years in a row but at some point we have to draft some.

The pandemic could have impaired the development of this year's crop to a degree but I also trust our club's player development program to get the best out of any recruit we do draft.

McLean and Amartey were pretty rough prospects upon first arrival but I think they're of AFL standard now because of the hard work that both they and the club have put in to get them where they are today.

We can't keep waiting for next year's draft to pan out for the ideal tall otherwise we'll never find one.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well that would make for two years in a row but at some point we have to draft some.

The pandemic could have impaired the development of this year's crop to a degree but I also trust our club's player development program to get the best out of any recruit we do draft.

McLean and Amartey were pretty rough prospects upon first arrival but I think they're of AFL standard now because of the hard work that both they and the club have put in to get them where they are today.

We can't keep waiting for next year's draft to pan out for the ideal tall otherwise we'll never find one.

We may draft one but we have traded Francis in and he’s likely to be better than any in the draft. Just don’t expect more than 1 tall.

 

[caesar88]

Well that would make for two years in a row but at some point we have to draft some.

The pandemic could have impaired the development of this year's crop to a degree but I also trust our club's player development program to get the best out of any recruit we do draft.

McLean and Amartey were pretty rough prospects upon first arrival but I think they're of AFL standard now because of the hard work that both they and the club have put in to get them where they are today.

We can't keep waiting for next year's draft to pan out for the ideal tall otherwise we'll never find one.

Talls are always better in the year after's draft

 

[hairy biker]

Swans considering 4th Aquinas player as shock bolter emerges

WA and Aquinas College’s connection with Sydney could grow further in next week’s draft with the club considering a smokey as a late-round or rookie pick.

thewest.com.au

The West linking us with another Aquinas player.

WA and Aquinas College’s connection with Sydney could grow further in next week’s draft with the club considering smokey Roan O’Hehir as a late-round or rookie pick.

The West Australian understands the South Fremantle colts captain, who finished third in the Jack Clarke Medal voting despite playing three games in the reserves, has been interviewed by the Swans three times.

The hard-running midfielder/half-back, who averaged more than 24 possessions in 15 colts appearances this year, bounced back from getting overlooked for the State 18s squad to produce a breakout and consistent campaign and help his team reach finals.

O’Hehir finished third in the club’s best-and-fairest and was a starting midfielder in the colts team of the year.

If the 18-year-old gets drafted by last season’s grand finalists, he will become the fourth Aquinas graduate on their list alongside brothers Chad and Corey Warner and key forward Logan McDonald.

South Fremantle colts coach Larry Cavallo is a huge fan of O’Hehir, describing him as hard-working, versatile, tough as nails and natural leader whose training standards matched current Blue (Jesse) Motlop.

Thoughts Dubai Quacker?

PS Article does also mention fellow Aquinas player (and brother of) Connor McDonald has also attracted the Swans’ interest.
PPS O'Hehir wasn't invited to the National or WA draft combines. Connor attended the WA event. Connor was the Aquinas football captain.
O'Hehir is listed at 177cm, 72kg on the WAFL website. DOB 10-Mar-2004