List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

Spoiler

 

[Vader]

I am pushing for a harder cull now. What you have proposed I agree is the likely but thats also a big turnover next year

Im not so bullish on newchurch being retained despite cat B status

Newchurch is irrelevant though - because he's a Cat B rookie. This means that delisting him doesn't create a position that we can fill.

I am completely ambivalent about whether or not he should be kept/delisted - but either way, he's irrelevant to the list mathematics.

 

[crow2crow]

Newchurch is irrelevant though - because he's a Cat B rookie. This means that delisting him doesn't create a position that we can fill.

I am completely ambivalent about whether or not he should be kept/delisted - but either way, he's irrelevant to the list mathematics.

see my other post - every player takes resources away from others

 

[crow2crow]

if we arent on the phone to dunkley manager selling our case for pickup in psd we are nuts

 

[Vader]

see my other post - every player takes resources away from others

I get your point... but you were posting previously about our lack of list vacancies, and coming up with ways of creating 5 list vacancies. Delisting Newchurch doesn't create a list vacancy that we can fill.

I do agree that he shouldn't be retained "just because we can", or "because we need all the AFL listed players we can get to fill our SANFL team". He should only be retained if the coaches think he has a future at AFL level.

Whether or not he should be retained/delisted... I have no opinion.

 

[Vader]

if we arent on the phone to dunkley manager selling our case for pickup in psd we are nuts

We won't have a pick in the PSD. Our senior list will be completely full.

 

[Bearded Clam]

if we arent on the phone to dunkley manager selling our case for pickup in psd we are nuts

The arrogant know all dicks running our club actually think our midfield is stacked.

Wouldnt surprise me in the least to hear that they wouldnt even bother enquiring with Dunkley.

They would be thinking “ah, we’ve got Keays and Turner.. oh, and that young Rory Sloane should be back from injury by Round 1 next year”…

Its just bewildering how delusional the thinking is down at west lakes at times when it comes to the rating of its players.

Just listen to the head honcho (Roo) down there when he is a boundary rider during games when crouch/laird/keays all attend the same CB… “all the guns are in there for this one” is his usual call..

They literally think their midfield is full of gun players and really doesnt need to be improved upon..

I would swap dunkley for any one of sloane, keays, laird or crouch.. in an instant. Hes easily better than all of them.

 

[Mutineer]

if we arent on the phone to dunkley manager selling our case for pickup in psd we are nuts

Nuts if we do.
He's made it very clear where he wants to be and taking him on for 1 year just puts another road block in front of the development of our developing young midfielders.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Media reports are saying that the sub will be eliminated next year, and replaced with a fifth interchange.

It hasn't been confirmed, but typically the AFL leak things like that through their media channels so we get used to the idea.

Bigger benches assist the top teams whose 23rd ranked player is going to be so much better than the 23rd player of a lower team. The rich get richer!

 

[Dangerousfield]

Why would we take him on for one year, I'll tell you why.
We're not contending next year so all it does is take midfield minutes away from our developing young midfielders. Pointless exercise with no real gain other than perhaps winning a couple more games.

Nicks says "yes please"

 

[craig crowing]

Believe very important to add probably 2 talls to our squad in upcoming draft along with our FS pick ,as we were lean in talls including ruck and both ends and losing Frampton and with possibility of 5 on bench rumoured with extra ruck would be used by most clubs on bench.
And just don't see how can happen especially if our eyes light up with a top mid we like still there at 23 , unless of course a late trade for Crouch or Rowe happens along with making decision on Seedsman and maybe McPherson payout deal .
Found strange we took a future 3rd for Frampton rather than one for this draft .

 

[Dangerousfield]

Generally players who are retiring, while contracted for the following year, negotiate a payout with the club. They don't forfeit the remaining part of the contract, but neither do they generally end up getting everything that was originally contracted.

If they're going off the list immediately, then the payout needs to be included in the current year's salary cap.

There will be some legalities with his medical condition that may necessitate him being somewhere on our list in 2023 as he holds a 2023 contract so he is entitled to his full contracted amount and ongoing medical assistance. To the rookie list, then immediately declared LTI is the most likely scenario. We all wish him well with his issue.

 

[Vader]

Believe very important to add probably 2 talls to our squad in upcoming draft along with our FS pick ,as we were lean in talls including ruck and both ends and losing Frampton and with possibility of 5 on bench rumoured with extra ruck would be used by most clubs on bench.
And just don't see how can happen especially if our eyes light up with a top mid we like still there at 23 , unless of course a late trade for Crouch or Rowe happens along with making decision on Seedsman and maybe McPherson payout deal .
Found strange we took a future 3rd for Frampton rather than one for this draft .

That could be difficult, given that we're almost certain to only have 2 picks in the ND - including our FS pick.

 

[Vader]

There will be some legalities with his medical condition that may necessitate him being somewhere on our list in 2023 as he holds a 2023 contract so he is entitled to his full contracted amount and ongoing medical assistance. To the rookie list, then immediately declared LTI is the most likely scenario. We all wish him well with his issue.

Inactive list, rather than LTI list, but the end result is the same - we get to fill the vacancy via the PSSP or MSD.

** You do make a good point, about his retirement being due to injury, and the difference that makes to his entitlements - whereas Brown's is completely voluntary.

 

[Mutineer]

Believe very important to add probably 2 talls to our squad in upcoming draft along with our FS pick ,as we were lean in talls including ruck and both ends and losing Frampton and with possibility of 5 on bench rumoured with extra ruck would be used by most clubs on bench.
And just don't see how can happen especially if our eyes light up with a top mid we like still there at 23 , unless of course a late trade for Crouch or Rowe happens along with making decision on Seedsman and maybe McPherson payout deal .
Found strange we took a future 3rd for Frampton rather than one for this draft .

Why strange?
It will be traded if required for this draft to trade up, more value in this draft than a 2022 pick.

 

[chrisso crow]

Rumour but a fairly decent one

Dogs board have signed off on sending Dunkley to the draft


Do we take him?

Even one year would be good

Would he even make it through to our pick?

Plenty of keen teams in front of us including a team he asked to be traded to previously.

Surely Bris get a deal done, there's no way he could make it through to them via the PSD.

 

[spenze]

Why would we take him on for one year, I'll tell you why.
We're not contending next year so all it does is take midfield minutes away from our developing young midfielders. Pointless exercise with no real gain other than perhaps winning a couple more games.

We haven't been contending for four years and we haven't been putting midfield minutes in our youngsters unless forced by a player playing so injured he can't do the role...and even then we try them just in case. I have very little faith that if Sloane is fit round one that we won't see him, Laird and one of Keays or Crouch first bounce.

I hope to be wrong, i really do and I hope we do put time and effort into having Rankine and Rachelle attending at least 15 CBAs a game but there has been little to inspire me during this rebuild that we are putting our sub 50 game midfielders development over trying to minimise margins

 

[spenze]

Would he even make it through to our pick?

Plenty of keen teams in front of us including a team he asked to be traded to previously.

Surely Bris get a deal done, there's no way he could make it through to them via the PSD.

Yeah, you would think it would

 

[Vader]

We haven't been contending for four years and we haven't been putting midfield minutes in our youngsters unless forced by a player playing so injured he can't do the role...and even then we try them just in case. I have very little faith that if Sloane is fit round one that we won't see him, Laird and one of Keays or Crouch first bounce.

I hope to be wrong, i really do and I hope we do put time and effort into having Rankine and Rachelle attending at least 15 CBAs a game but there has been little to inspire me during this rebuild that we are putting our sub 50 game midfielders development over trying to minimise margins

Crouch is done, and Keays' move out of the midfield in the latter half of this year was not forced.

... but the coaches haven't yet pushed Sloane out to pasture, so there's a reasonable expectation that he'll be in the R1 midfield - whether he should be, or not.

 

[crow2crow]

Crouch is done, and Keays' move out of the midfield in the latter half of this year was not forced.

... but the coaches haven't yet pushed Sloane out to pasture, so there's a reasonable expectation that he'll be in the R1 midfield - whether he should be, or not.

the point is they have to carry sloane which is why they are so keen to move out crouch

im not as down on keays as others. i want to see next year and make judgement then

 

[Mutineer]

We haven't been contending for four years and we haven't been putting midfield minutes in our youngsters unless forced by a player playing so injured he can't do the role...and even then we try them just in case. I have very little faith that if Sloane is fit round one that we won't see him, Laird and one of Keays or Crouch first bounce.

I hope to be wrong, i really do and I hope we do put time and effort into having Rankine and Rachelle attending at least 15 CBAs a game but there has been little to inspire me during this rebuild that we are putting our sub 50 game midfielders development over trying to minimise margins

I can only go on what Reidy said In his interview the other day re Rankine and Rachele getting more midfield minutes.

I took it from Rankine's interviews he's expecting to play some midfield also, pretty apparent from that it's been put to him.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Sloane should be at half-forward next year.

Can run 2 ways, decent overhead and a good kick for goal.

 

[Danger Zone]

Bigger benches assist the top teams whose 23rd ranked player is going to be so much better than the 23rd player of a lower team. The rich get richer!

It actually really helps the teams running with 2 rucks. Now I wonder if any teams would benefit from that rule change suddenly being announced...

 

[craig crowing]

Why strange?
It will be traded if required for this draft to trade up, more value in this draft than a 2022 pick.

Firstly only call it with knowledge I have and like all our opinions on this site and that's based on what we know or been fed and dont have information club has or player ratings they have.
Anyway let me explain why me just a Crows supporter thought strange with the only information I had for my opinion.
Firstly our 2023 draft is virtually full again now with 3rd back
Our 2022 draft very empty
2nd pick
pick 46
Obviously like to score a good player with 2 nd round pick .
Have we enough with 46 to obtain MM with our FS entitlements.
Apart from that still personally like to get at least one of SA talls as well somehow in this draft.
There it is .
Bicks like your input on this site and appreciate your knowledge of future talent , so please dont become another Sanders mate.

 

[Mutineer]

Firstly only call it with knowledge I have and like all our opinions on this site and that's based on what we know or been fed and dont have information club has or player ratings they have.
Anyway let me explain why me just a Crows supporter thought strange with the only information I had for my opinion.
Firstly our 2023 draft is virtually full again now with 3rd back
Our 2022 draft very empty
2nd pick
pick 46
Obviously like to score a good player with 2 nd round pick .
Have we enough with 46 to obtain MM with our FS entitlements.
Apart from that still personally like to get at least one of SA talls as well somehow in this draft.
There it is .
Bicks like your input on this site and appreciate your knowledge of future talent , so please dont become another Sanders mate.

We can always eat into our points with picks from next year if required if there's a player we really want.

How many list spots we'll have available will be much clearer by the time the Draft comes around...that will be the final decider.

 

[Bearded Clam]

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Sloane should be at half-forward next year.

Can run 2 ways, decent overhead and a good kick for goal.

the problem is… at who’s expense?..

Sloane before he did his knee was already looking cooked.. considering it takes a player a whole year of footy before they show signs of getting back to their pre-knee injury best.. and sloane was already on the downward spiral.. I hardly see him being some valuable gun next season!..

And given he definately wont be there for our next finals campaign….
What do we achieve by giving him that position in front of our youth?.

Its just stupidity.. i would actually rather they gave the role to Keays over sloane.

Ultimately.. Pedlar, cook, rachele, taylor, nank, newchurch.. all these young guys should get a look in at that half forward/small forward role before a cooked rory sloane.

This club loves taking three steps backwards before finally taking one step forward!.