List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[Danger in Texas]

Twomey is only reliable a week out.

But out of curiosity, where is the great hope ranked currently?

Before or after the Bowes giveaway line?

Well that’s kind of my point, if guys like Twomey aren’t reliable until then (I agree FWIW), no-one is. Hence we can’t tell if Phillipou is ‘slipping’ or not

With that said, in most amateur rankings he’s anywhere from 7-12. Pretty much where he’s been most of the year. For mine he’s top 5 but that’s an unpopular opinion haha

 

[Mutineer]

What if they go to this 5 player on the bench / likely to run 2 ruckmen system?

What if they do, don't think too many clubs will go that way anyhow and still prefer to use more athletic tall types like we've used Himmelberg and Thilthorpe to chop out while the main ruck has a spell on the bench or utilise players like the Cats and us allowing Hawkins and Tex to contest closer to goal etc. Of course Melbourne have and will continue to do while they have athletic rucks like Jackson and Grundy available.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not suggesting any of our current crop wont become A grade mids (I think Soligo and Rachele could), but the fact is to miss finals five years in a row and not end up with a prospect like above is disappointing.

4th year in 2023 .....a lot of our historical "A" graders came from the Clouds (insert rookies) .....Rutten, Laird, Bock, Charlie Cameron ect ....they all don't necessarily put their hand up early career

Everyone said Rutten was a fail ....same with Bock

Conversely, there are supposed star players who start their careers strongly & then level off .....there are dozens; Sculley, McGrath, Marc Murphy, Rowell (who is not as great as his hype)

The Crows have traditionally had strong midfield....nearly always ....so I'll give the Club the leeway for knowing how to assemble an elite midfield

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is Cox playing KPD .....or 3rd Tall Role ?

Mostly, I see his positioning as being more pocket / flank ......happy to be wrong though ?

KPD!

 

[Vader]

I do but it's not happening unless they see Thilthorpe more as a ruck than a forward which personally I'd be very disappointed with. Strachan is a depth option wherever he plays.

Moot point, as we don't need to delist anyone. See my post above.

 

[Vader]

OK... so with this new information about the rookie upgrade window, the way it works is this...

Current List status: 35/4/2
2x ND selections: 37/4/2
Strachan & Butts upgraded, Player X downgraded (in same window): 38/3/2
1x RD selection: 38/4/2

... and we're done.

 

[1990crow]

4th year in 2023 .....a lot of our historical "A" graders came from the Clouds (insert rookies) .....Rutten, Laird, Bock, Charlie Cameron ect ....they all don't necessarily put their hand up early career

Everyone said Rutten was a fail ....same with Bock

Conversely, there are supposed star players who start their careers strongly & then level off .....there are dozens; Sculley, McGrath, Marc Murphy, Rowell (who is not as great as his hype)

The Crows have traditionally had strong midfield....nearly always ....so I'll give the Club the leeway for knowing how to assemble an elite midfield

The club hasn’t had an elite midfield since 2006.
That’s a long time of not knowing.

Dangerfield was our only true A grade mid from 2012-2015.
Since then and before not there.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The Crows have traditionally had strong midfield....nearly always ....so I'll give the Club the leeway for knowing how to assemble an elite midfield

How can you give leeway to our current recruiters based on the work of their predecessors?

 

[Dangarman]

OK... so with this new information about the rookie upgrade window, the way it works is this...

Current List status: 35/4/2
2x ND selections: 37/4/2
Strachan & Butts upgraded, Player X downgraded (in same window): 38/3/2
1x RD selection: 38/4/2

... and we're done.

Is there still a spare spot? That is 44 total, we had 45 in 2022 - 38/5/2 - correct?

 

[Crow-eater]

Is there still a spare spot? That is 44 total, we had 45 in 2022 - 38/5/2 - correct?

The spare spot comes from someone going onto the LTI/Inactive list. Say we downgrade Seedsman to the rookie list, if he is still unable to play we place him on the inactive list and can select someone in the PSSP/MSD.

 

[Vader]

Is there still a spare spot? That is 44 total, we had 45 in 2022 - 38/5/2 - correct?

42 (+2 Cat B rookies) is the maximum permitted.

We went to 43(+2) by placing Seedsman & Sloane on the LTI list, which allowed us to draft a replacement in the MSD. We may do this again, with Seedsman, allowing us to select a player in the PSSP or MSD - but the club haven't made any mention of it yet.

Note that we can't move players to the LTI or Inactive lists until after the RD.

 

[Jetafl]

The club hasn’t had an elite midfield since 2006.

I would put Danger into the elite category before he left for Geelong. Definitely elite in his BnF year 2015 and in 2012 and 2013 being also AA it could be argued if not elite on the cusp of. By the time he went to Geelong he was in his prime an arguably the best player or close to it in the comp. Undoubtedly given at this point in time he played about 150 games for each club the cats go a lot more elite Danger than we did.

But he was above A grade for some of his time with us.

 

[Mutineer]

The club hasn’t had an elite midfield since 2006.
That’s a long time of not knowing.

Dangerfield was our only true A grade mid from 2012-2015.
Since then and before not there.

Scott Thompson might not have been A grader in your eyes but plenty would disagree when he was at the top of his powers...Ditto Rory Sloane.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The club hasn’t had an elite midfield since 2006.
That’s a long time of not knowing.

Dangerfield was our only true A grade mid from 2012-2015.
Since then and before not there.

Dangerfield, Thommo, Van Berlo, and Sloane were the basis of a midfield after 2006 .....we didn't plan on Dangerfield leaving, but still had the midfield soldiers in 2017 to make a GF

Elite is an overused term .....very few of them .....Whitfield and Kelly, both on Million $ Contracts, were terrible this year

IMO you can have an elite season .....but to be an elite player, you have to step up season after season, with consistency .....very few can do that

 

[Mutineer]

Dangerfield, Thommo, Van Berlo, and Sloane were the basis of a midfield after 2006 .....we didn't plan on Dangerfield leaving, but still had the midfield soldiers in 2017 to make a GF

Elite is an overused term .....very few of them .....Whitfield and Kelly, both on Million $ Contracts, were terrible this year

IMO you can have an elite season .....but to be an elite player, you have to step up season after season, with consistency .....very few can do that

Bernie Vince wasn't too shabby either...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

How can you give leeway to our current recruiters based on the work of their predecessors?

Most of our recruiting team have been in the recruiting team a long time ......Hamish was there when Danger was recruited ....wasn't the recent retiree there for 26 years ?

But it was also Stewart that had a strong say .....even though he was not officially part of the recruiting team

 

[Sanders]

How can you give leeway to our current recruiters based on the work of their predecessors?

Outstanding point

 

[Sanders]

Scott Thompson might not have been A grader in your eyes but plenty would disagree when he was at the top of his powers...Ditto Rory Sloane.

Both 1x all Australians only

Obviously very good players, but maybe not elite like the 2006 boys or Danger

 

[Vader]

I really wish the AFL would stop messing with the way rookie upgrades happen.

• Initially they were done via the List Lodgement before the ND.
• Then they were done using clubs' last picks in the ND itself.
• Then it went back to happening before the ND.
• Now it happens between the ND and RD.

Contantly changing it, for no good reason, just confuses everyone who doesn't have access to the AFL's latest rule changes (which often aren't publicly announced.). Just make up your ****ing mind, and stick with it!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Outside of Matty Rowell I can't think of anyone that has polled 9 Brownlow votes in his first three AFL games. What a start plus number 1 pick never going to keep up with the hype that comes with that start and pick 1. He is not playing bad footy. He is actually playing some really good footy imo. But never going to keep up with that hype.

Needed to kick of his career at a slower pace maybe just 4 Brownlow votes in his first three games not 9.

He's a one-paced work-horse .....no tricks, but a contested beast

Rowell always looks to be running on his heels .....there's no spring in his step ....he just charges at the contest, using his strength .....didn't see him take a contested mark all year & he's only 180 cm ....same height as Rankine

 

[Crow till I die]

He's a one-paced work-horse .....no tricks, but a contested beast

Rowell always looks to be running on his heels .....there's no spring in his step ....he just charges at the contest, using his strength .....didn't see him take a contested mark all year & he's only 180 cm ....same height as Rankine

He needs to look at Dane Swan and become that sort of player in terms of how he crafts his career. Get ball stationary, handball off and move, get ball back, handball off, keep moving get ball again and you are away

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He needs to look at Dane Swan and become that sort of player in terms of how he crafts his career. Get ball stationary, handball off and move, get ball back, handball off, keep moving get ball again and you are away

Good analogy ! ......that's his go

 

[DJ75]

Scott Thompson might not have been A grader in your eyes but plenty would disagree when he was at the top of his powers...Ditto Rory Sloane.

I never rated Thompson.

Sloane however, just before the tagging started was definitely A grade.

 

[George Kramer]

I never rated Thompson.

Sloane however, just before the tagging started was definitely A grade.

Thommo was an excellent player and carried our midfield for a number of years

 

[DJ75]

Thommo was an excellent player and carried our midfield for a number of years

He definitely had some great games.
But I always thought he played a Russian Roulette type of game. Basically just backed himself in to get more possessions than his opponent.
In other words, I think he was a contested ball winner and a one way runner. Pretty much the role model for Matt Crouch. I walked away from lots of games where Thommo had 30 possessions, but I thought his direct opponent was BOG.

Each to their own however, just the way I saw it.