List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[hugecannon]

Crows 101

Play a guy into the ground - Doedee
Keep replacement players on the outer - Worrell

During a rebuilding year when finals aren't in the picture

It's really no wonder we're in our fifth season in a row out of the finals. Just too many poor decisions

Plus why so many of our players fall in a complete heap once they hit 30-31, hopefully Burgess is pushing us to manage players physically better than we have in the past 5-6 years.

 

[Bob Neil]

Nothing to controversial there is there...that's it in total..

Thanks Mutineer.

I think "being competitive" in and of itself should not be a goal for our club - now (during a rebuilding phase) or ever.

The only goal - to which all other goals (even non-football goals) should be subordinate and in support of - is winning a premiership.

Therefore IMHO Roo's language and position on maintaining competitiveness only has any justification if maintaining a degree of competitiveness during a rebuilding phase makes the eventual likelihood or timing of winning a premiership more favourable (or at the very least no less favourable).

I've seen and read arguments that 'you can't throw the kids to the wolves' like [insert previous rebuilding whipping boy such as Carlton or Melbourne here] did but I'm not sure I've ever really seen the argument proved as opposed to simply being stated.

What are the pros and cons of competitiveness during a rebuild? Where is the evidence that it positively assists in winning a flag? What is the optimum degree of competitiveness (# of wins per season, average losing margin, other metric)? How is the supposed benefit of competitiveness weighed up / traded off against other choices such as building experience in the next developing young player?

Goodness knows if those arguments go on behind closed doors at the club and of course we'll never hear anything other than platitudes in the public domain about this stuff but god I hope they don't trot out this competitiveness argument simply as cover for the fact that they don't have the will to endure heavy losses with a younger team even if they privately believed it was better in the long run.

 

[LeftyLuke]

If we bring any more inexperienced players in, we will no longer be competitive.

(Was in an article in the 'tiser yesterday)

I guess that rules out Taylor getting a game then.

You play your best team regardless of games played. If that makes us younger so be it.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Roo’s dumb**** argument all falls apart when you acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that its mostly been our older more experienced players that have been playing garbage football..

 

[MRB37]

It’s not a new theme. It’s been Adelaide’s MO for quite a long time.

the problem is that the selectors don’t discern between quality epxerienced players (eg Tex) vs poor experienced players (eg Mackay, Murphy).

Yes, the idea for experienced players is they're, well, experienced. They play good/great/excellent, consistent football and don't have the ebbs and flows a younger player have. Yet for whatever reason the club has rated that "experienced" trait and disconnected it completely from form as well.

Tex is a senior player you don't want to drop, so is Laird. Not to pick on just him, but I will because they used it as their excuse, what does Murphy for example have in his "experience" that shows replacing him with a younger player would suddenly make us uncompetitive?

It's like some magical club and once you're in it, it's very hard to get dislodged.

 

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[MRB37]

 

[maxlilly]

And we thought we keep on losing players, GWS take it to another level

 

[GROTTO]

And we thought we keep on losing players, GWS take it to another level

One day those outside Victoria will come to the realization, its still the VFL competition that has feeder Clubs in all states.

 

[ams4crows]

McClure "it's Richmond or Geelong...... also Adelaide is in the mix but he won't pick them

 

[GreyCrow]

I spoke about this some time ago but the managers are actively ''fixing'' the trade landscape

Grundys manager is the same as Bruhn and Hopper

Expect Grundy to go to GWS - and the Giants salary dump Bruhn and Hopper

The manager has his fingers all over it

 

[Geoffa32]

And we thought we keep on losing players, GWS take it to another level

GWS is just a farm for VFL clubs.

Draft em, develop them, send em home.

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[George Kramer]

McClure "it's Richmond or Geelong...... also Adelaide is in the mix but he won't pick them

Unless we are throwing a shit load of more money, why would he choose us over them?

 

[1990crow]

Taranto would be good as a PSD option.
Then trade for JHF and Rankine.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Taranto would be good as a PSD option.
Then trade for JHF and Rankine.

First centre bounce R1 2023.

Sloane/mcrouch, laird and keays..

Toranto playing half back

JHF on a wing.

Go ahead.. laugh.

 

[1990crow]

First centre bounce R1 2023.

Sloane/mcrouch, laird and keays..

Toranto playing half back

JHF on a wing.

Go ahead.. laugh.

Rankine in the SANFL. Not experienced as Murphy.

 

[latinoheat]

Losing Hill, GWS will need a small forward. Luckily we have an excess of them in McHenry, Rowe and Murphy! Swap all 3 for hopper

 

[Crow till I die]

Losing Hill, GWS will need a small forward. Luckily we have an excess of them in McHenry, Rowe and Murphy! Swap all 3 for hopper

And they will say no and just demand Newchurch instead!!

 

[Mutineer]

And they will say no and just demand Newchurch instead!!

Nah, they'll draft one of Jacob Konstanty, Noah Long, Olli Hotton or Charlie Clarke and the process will repeat.

 

[latinoheat]

Surely Hinge gets a new deal. Not sure why they haven’t signed him yet

 

[LeftyLuke]

Hopper thanks.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I spoke about this some time ago but the managers are actively ''fixing'' the trade landscape

Grundys manager is the same as Bruhn and Hopper

Expect Grundy to go to GWS - and the Giants salary dump Bruhn and Hopper

The manager has his fingers all over it

I really don’t know how they’d get it to work, considering both clubs have salary cap issues. Offloading Treloar wasn’t the end of their problems, keeping in mind they’re still paying A LOT of Treloar’s contract, particularly the latter years (as mentioned below by SEN article)

‘The trade was agreed inside the final minute of the trade period, but the two clubs have been haggling over who picks up the bill for the midfielder, who had agreed to push money back at Collingwood.

The Dogs have refused to budge on their initial offer to Treloar - $600,000 a year for five years. But it’s understood they have agreed to front-end Treloar’s contract to ease the pay pressure at Collingwood.’

My guess is that they’ll need to Offload both Grundy and DeGoey, and maybe bring in Bruhn. But do all that and bring in another big name? I don’t think so


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[GROTTO]

Rankine in the SANFL. Not experienced as Murphy.

After being caught on camera down Hindley street on game day at 5am.

 

[GROTTO]

Losing Hill, GWS will need a small forward. Luckily we have an excess of them in McHenry, Rowe and Murphy! Swap all 3 for hopper

FFS what did GWS ever do to you?

I wouldnt wish that even on Port. lol.

 

[MRB37]

Surely Hinge gets a new deal. Not sure why they haven’t signed him yet

Big disconnect between coaches and list management if he doesn't get a new deal since he's been an automatic 22 player when healthy since he got here.