List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[LeftyLuke]

Big disconnect between coaches and list management if he doesn't get a new deal since he's been an automatic 22 player when healthy since he got here.

They've most likely offered him something he doesn't want to sign. If he has better offers elsewhere we know how that ends unless they up the offer.

 

[Crow till I die]

They've most likely offered him something he doesn't want to sign. If he has better offers elsewhere we know how that ends unless they up the offer.

he is most certainly not the player I would have low balled. I like him as a player - tough, efficient and knows how to defend

 

[GROTTO]

he is most certainly not the player I would have low balled. I like him as a player - tough, efficient and knows how to defend

lol, exactly the kind of player the AFC does not want. We prefer weak,inefficient and runs one way.

 

[MRB37]

They've most likely offered him something he doesn't want to sign. If he has better offers elsewhere we know how that ends unless they up the offer.

Again, a big disconnect then if we're low balling a guy the coach clearly has in his best 22.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Losing Hill, GWS will need a small forward. Luckily we have an excess of them in McHenry, Rowe and Murphy! Swap all 3 for hopper

 

[LeftyLuke]

FFS what did GWS ever do to you?

I wouldnt wish that even on Port. lol.

Murphy, McHenry, Rowe may fold their club.

 

[huludicidal]

2022 off-season moves

Trade:
Sholl (we throw in a 4th rounder and receive Carlton’s 2nd round pick)

Crouch (I have no idea if anyone would even give us a top 50 pick for him. Take it and run if they will. Just get him out)

McAsey (quick, take pick 50 before everyone realises he’s not even good enough to be an SANFL defender. Probably the worst top 10 draft pick taken in the last 10 years. Caleb Serong

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Caleb Serong

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

says hi - that’s who we could and should have drafted here.)

Delist:
Frampton (no role exists for him at AFL level. Period.)

Rowe (his forward pressure is non-existent, he’s slow, and his conversion rate in front of goal was a major strength at SANFL level, and quite simply has not translated to AFL level. Bye.)

Davis (rookie list - clogging a spot, should never have been kept on in 2022)

Borlase (rookie - let’s face it, he’s never going to play a senior game of football for anyone ever. He’s Keenan Ramsay with 2 eyes)



Would be nice if we could lure Hopper over, but he’d have to be insane to choose us over Geelong or Richmond so I doubt it.


Round 1 2023 team (assuming no players are stupid enough to agree to be traded here):

B: Doedee - Butts - Hamill
HB: Parnell - Murray - Hinge
C: Cook - Laird - Dawson
HF: Soligo - Walker - Rachele
F: Fogarty - Thilthorpe - McAdam
R: Strachan - Berry - Keays
Int: Smith, Taylor, Worrell, Schoenberg

Emg (from): Newchurch, Gollant, Turner, O’Brien, Nankervis, Pedlar, Milera, Pick 3, Pick 21

Depth only: McHenry, Jones, Murphy, Rowe, Himmelberg, Hately, Brown, McPherson

Injured: Sloane, Seedsman



Dead men walking in 2023 (ie I would not keep them at the club beyond the end of 2023):

Sloane (retired / cooked)
Hately (not good enough)
Seedsman (likely forced into retirement with concussion symptoms)
Murphy (not good enough)
McHenry (not good enough)
Brown (retired / cooked)
Jones (maybe someone else besides Haggis will be stupid enough to not notice that he has zero football IQ - trade bait)
McPherson (no real weapons and injury prone)
Himmelberg (decent enough depth player, but I’d rather an 18 year old 199cm lottery ticket than this known mediocre quantity)

 

[Mego Red]

We have a glut of kids which means we have to wait to see if they make it. Normally a list is more spread out in age and the delistings take care of themselves.

Yeah, I would have thought that was obvious.

 

[Mego Red]

How do they know we won't be competitive?

It's not like we've tried it and it's failed

Have there been any sides younger than us in history that have been competitive?

 

[Mego Red]

Nothing to controversial there is there...that's it in total..

Huh - that seems like one of the most innocuous and inarguable statements ever made.

 

[Mego Red]

One day those outside Victoria will come to the realization, its still the VFL competition that has feeder Clubs in all states.

It's been years since we've lost a player we wanted to keep, isn't it?

 

[Mego Red]

lol, exactly the kind of player the AFC does not want. We prefer weak,inefficient and runs one way.

What's the evidence of that?

 

[Mego Red]

Again, a big disconnect then if we're low balling a guy the coach clearly has in his best 22.

No, they'll just sign him later, once they know what they need for any new players they're targetting and they have visibility on list spots.

It's not like teams will be lining up for Hinge, and it's good to have a few spots that we can confirm as late as possible. We have **** all flexibility as it is.

 

[Dangerousfield]

It's been years since we've lost a player we wanted to keep, isn't it?

I hate admitting this but the sad fact is we don't have any players good enough for another club to want to poach them!

Baby Bombers were young and won a flag

 

[George Kramer]

Yeah, I would have thought that was obvious.

Actually it isn’t, we’ve drafted average players, we’ve re-signed players and given long term deals to players we shouldn’t have.

And the stupidity of your response is you’ve basically acknowledged we have an average list without even realising it. So you must be critical of the club then right

 

[croweater 41]

First centre bounce R1 2023.

Sloane/mcrouch, laird and keays..

Toranto playing half back

JHF on a wing.

Go ahead.. laugh.

Clearly delusional.

JHF isn’t experienced enough for our AFL side we would be to uncompetitive he would be playing HFF in the SANFL.

 

[Sanders]

It's been years since we've lost a player we wanted to keep, isn't it?

We’ve gotten around it by not wanting to keep them.

 

[Bazz_27]

Interestingly on SEN they just said Sholl to Carlton will not be happening. Given they like to create drama this surprises me and I take it on face value despite their track record showing their are incompetent

 

[WaynesWorld19]

At least we have equal billing now with other suitors .....would be a great pickup ....correct age group

Being overtaken by Tom Green

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Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

, who's going to be a superstar in the GWS midfield

Trade would be interesting .....certainly not worth pick 3/4

‘Biggest summer of all time’ looms in AFL trade bonanza. These 41 could be involved

‘Biggest summer of all time’ looms in AFL trade bonanza. These 41 stars could be involved

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Interestingly on SEN they just said Sholl to Carlton will not be happening. Given they like to create drama this surprises me and I take it on face value despite their track record showing their are incompetent

IMO trading Sholl would be a surprising move .....I understand the education on developing a more contested game

Hell, we don't want a Jayden Stephenson type player

 

[Crow till I die]

At least we have equal billing now with other suitors .....would be a great pickup ....correct age group

Being overtaken by Tom Green, who's going to be a superstar in the GWS midfield

Trade would be interesting .....certainly not worth pick 3/4

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‘Biggest summer of all time’ looms in AFL trade bonanza. These 41 could be involved

‘Biggest summer of all time’ looms in AFL trade bonanza. These 41 stars could be involved

www.foxsports.com.au

Thats why geelong and richmond would be in the box seat. Their 1st round picks are much more in the hitting zone than ours is

 

[GreyCrow]

Have there been any sides younger than us in history that have been competitive?

From 2014

The Age Factor

I did some research and this is the round 1 average age ladder from oldest to youngest: 1. Fremantle 26y 150d 2. Geelong 26y 131d 3. Sydney 26y 126d 4. North Melbourne 25y 233d 5. Hawthorn 25y 227d 6. Western Bulldogs 25y 134d 7. Carlton 25y 106d 8. Essendon 25y 89y 9. West Coast 25y 85d 10...

www.bigfooty.com

The famous 'Baby Bombers' of 1993 had an average age of 24y 106d in the 1993 Grand Final.
The Pies of 2010 were even younger at 24y 57d.

Meanwhile the Carlton team of 2002 averaged over 26y at round 1 and came last.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Interestingly on SEN they just said Sholl to Carlton will not be happening. Given they like to create drama this surprises me and I take it on face value despite their track record showing their are incompetent

Yeah I heard that. Maybe it's another club like north or he stays until ooc and clubs may pick him up for nothing if we delist him.

 

[Mego Red]

We’ve gotten around it by not wanting to keep them.

I think getting rid of players we don't want to keep is a pretty good strategy.

I'm more worried about being stuck with players that we've realised we don't want to keep, but I guess that happens with giving kids an extra year or so.

 

[Mego Red]

From 2014

The Age Factor

I did some research and this is the round 1 average age ladder from oldest to youngest: 1. Fremantle 26y 150d 2. Geelong 26y 131d 3. Sydney 26y 126d 4. North Melbourne 25y 233d 5. Hawthorn 25y 227d 6. Western Bulldogs 25y 134d 7. Carlton 25y 106d 8. Essendon 25y 89y 9. West Coast 25y 85d 10...

www.bigfooty.com

That's actually very interesting - thanks for that.