List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[rabidcrow]

Norf and WCE are the only other lists around our mark. immediately in front of us on the table, Essendon and Hawks are far better lists.

Remember that whatever we have done this year results wise has been done with minimal injuries, it couldn't have got any better.

Minimal injuries yes - but we only have a handful of players that if they got injured would negatively impact us. Walker and Dawson yes, probably Butts and Laird. After that it’s a bit of whoever comes up won’t be that different to who is in the team so not much of an impact on how we go


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[Dangerousfield]

They still had Cotchin, Reiwoldt, Martin and Rance.

Absolute guns who all formed the core of that 2017 side.

Comparing Crows 2022 and Richmond 2016 is laughable, the lists are so much different. There is absolutely no similarity to lists or situations that give hope we are going to bolt up the ladder next year or the year after.

Richmond just had a bewilderingly bad 2016 given their list and previous seasons and immediately added Prestia in the trade period. Plus they did a post season root and branch review of everything.

We've had a poor 2022 but that's the standard of our list, it's a poor list. All we'll review is how to better feed out feel good bulls**t to the members whilst the club actually makes little progress.

Our only hope is that we can have a miracle occur and get JHF and/or Rankine to "come home". JHF will cost but we need to go for it, Rankine we can threaten PSD like we did with Dawson.

We are surely targeting OOC ex SA players to improve our list.

If we still have picks because we didn't land JHF & Rankine, goes without saying we need to nail them.

 

[1970crow]

It’s just flat out wrong and a director of footy is about the last person who can afford to have incorrect philosophies. Selecting an in form player from the 2s ahead of an out of form or injured player is never a balancing act and experience levels between the 2 and those of the other 20 are totally and utterly irrelevant.

What is a balancing act at selection though is how many of certain types of players can fit in a 22. So when someone like McAdam is a late out you need to consider how the side will look if you replace him with an inside midfielder. There’s a balancing act there, but if you ask our club, we seem to think the most important factor out of the 2 is games played. And that is controversial and entirely incorrect.

So Bicks disagrees with this. So when McAdam is ruled out late, you check the age and games played statistics of all the players to determine who comes in. The role they play and their physical attributes are totally irrelevant. Or maybe it’s just that every decision that adds Matt to our stacked midfield is a good one.

Mutineer , did you ever name the incumbent midfielders that had poor disposal that you didn’t want a player like Dunkley added too?

 

[1970crow]

Piss off troll

It’s not a troll, it’s a genuine question. You made a statement pretty much exactly like that but seem to refuse to identify which of the current group have the same issue that you didn’t want more of.

I’d argue trolling is flatly rejecting or LOLing people’s recruitment ideas based on factors that you refuse to elaborate further on. You said he had poor disposal and would just be more of the same. So who is the existing same? Surely you can identify a single mid in our collective who has average disposal? Or how about naming one who lacks damage with ball in hand.

 

[Mutineer]

It’s not a troll, it’s a genuine question. You made a statement pretty much exactly like that but seem to refuse to identify which of the current group have the same issue that you didn’t want more of.

I’d argue trolling is flatly rejecting or LOLing people’s recruitment ideas based on factors that you refuse to elaborate further on. You said he had poor disposal and would just be more of the same. So who is the existing same? Surely you can identify a single mid in our collective who has average disposal? Or how about naming one who lacks damage with ball in hand.

Sorry mate I've only ever put one poster on ignore..old mate Abab...but your very close to joining him.

Your endless negative graffiti is just plain boring.

 

[Mego Red]

Are we really going to throw stones in that greenhouse?

We beat two very high quality teams to make a grand final - but maybe we shouldn't be criticizing other sides under achieving ...

 

[George Kramer]

Sorry mate I've only ever put one poster on ignore..old mate Abab...but your very close to joining him.

Your endless negative graffiti is just plain boring.

He’s actually asking legitimate questions and when confronted with having to answer a question where you know the answer is a negative you avoid it. Being positive all the time with no critical thinking is actually boring.

His point about Crouch coming in for McAdam was a fair one, your contribution? A thumbs down without actually addressing what you disagreed with. It’s what you do and that’s also boring and threatening to put posters on ignore isn’t actually concerning.

 

[Mego Red]

You can keep up the Vader impression

Hey, no need to be THAT harsh ...

 

[Mr_Moogle]

West Coast are well run. They will bounce back pretty quickly.


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Unlike Adelaide, they'll do whatever it takes to get better. They were smart enough to go the full blown tank when their season was DOA. They'll sack underperformers in their footy dept., trade/delist fan favourites etc. They'll make the 8 again long before we do.

 

[1970crow]

Sorry mate I've only ever put one poster on ignore..old mate Abab...but your very close to joining him.

Your endless negative graffiti is just plain boring.

You had me on ignore. Why can’t you just name those players? Is it so hard to critically assess a player’s strengths and weaknesses once they’ve consolidated their place in our preferred 22? You have no problem identifying weaknesses in players in the SANFL or starting their time in the 1s or at other clubs. But once a guy is set in our 22, you can’t bring yourself to directly identify a weakness. Even if you’ve alluded to it very clearly.

It’s strange.

 

[pjcrows]

Graham Cornes: "The Crows won't ask for a priority pick. That's for basket case clubs"

Have another think, Graham.

 

[Jirkago75]

I have heard through a player manager that JHF is definitely wanting to come home. He also said that the Crows are going hard for him. North want a top pick (I’d suggest our pick 3) and a player. Other than Rachele I can’t see who they would want.
Not sure how todays coaches announcement at North will change his thinking.
I also heard (different source) that Port are keen on Dunkley. They think it’s the edge they need to give the 2023 flag a real push.

We better be bloody sure the he’s a generation player and better then anyone in the top 3 this year before we give anything up. Every year it seems we wish we could get player x and we miss out, the next year it’s all over again.
If he potentially better then Phillipou?? Or anyone else in the top 3. We are in a rebuild and I’m not giving up anything yet, we may get him the next year when he’s uncontracted. If Tex gets injured or is out of form we may end up below them and can get him for less

 

[George Kramer]

We better be bloody sure the he’s a generation player and better then anyone in the top 3 this year before we give anything up. Every year it seems we wish we could get player x and we miss out, the next year it’s all over again.
If he potentially better then Phillipou?? Or anyone else in the top 3. We are in a rebuild and I’m not giving up anything yet, we may get him the next year when he’s uncontracted. If Tex gets injured or is out of form we may end up below them and can get him for less

You don’t want to give up a top 3 pick for him based on what you might be giving up but they are unknowns. There is no way of knowing if they are better than JHF until they are playing AFL and you can compare.

 

[Sanders]

We better be bloody sure the he’s a generation player and better then anyone in the top 3 this year before we give anything up. Every year it seems we wish we could get player x and we miss out, the next year it’s all over again.
If he potentially better then Phillipou?? Or anyone else in the top 3. We are in a rebuild and I’m not giving up anything yet, we may get him the next year when he’s uncontracted. If Tex gets injured or is out of form we may end up below them and can get him for less

Don’t fall into the trap of just playing name bingo with whoever the new players are in any draft year

It’s always the same, name bingo without any substantive analysis

 

[Gtowncrow]

You can keep up the Vader impression by saying Greenwood was terrible, but it isn’t and wasn’t true.

It’s just not. And Keath has been a LOT better than ok

I'm not missing either to be honest.
Our list maturity (for what it is) is almost ready for most/all our retained seniors to be forced to justify their selection each week. Losing Keath and Greenwood only accelerated the experience of our rebuilding youngsters.

 

[Jirkago75]

Don’t fall into the trap of just playing name bingo with whoever the new players are in any draft year

It’s always the same, name bingo without any substantive analysis

All I’m saying is it was Horne last year and this year it will be someone else. Will the new draftees be better or worse then Horne?? What’s the draft capital we give up to get him?? I certainly don’t do pick 3 and Rachelle. He are in the same position as them, rebuilding.
Has Horne really done anything so good to be thinking he’s the next big thing?? If fact the way he’s acted hasn’t been good at all to teammates and to his current club

 

[1990crow]

Graham Cornes: "The Crows won't ask for a priority pick. That's for basket case clubs"

Have another think, Graham.

What part of the past 5 years stood out to Graham as not being a basket case.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The key difference here is that Hardwick had an upward trajectory right from the beginning. He took over a dismal Richmond side that won 5 games in 2009. Then went 6 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins in his first 3 years. Then in the next 3 years he made the finals. Including two 15 win seasons.

Year 7 and your post was based in 2016 when everything went backwards and the tough decision needed to be made. He had already had 7 years in charge and had shown significant improvement.

Our issue is that 3 years under Nicks and to 95% of people there has been no upward trend. Nicks took over a 10 win team from 2019. Since then in almost 3 seasons we have 15 wins and Nicks has a record eerily similar to Mathew Primus.

Calling the 2019 side a 10 win team doesnt reflect where the club was at.
That year we won 2 of the last 9 games. The downward spiral had already begun.

 

[Jirkago75]

You don’t want to give up a top 3 pick for him based on what you might be giving up but they are unknowns. There is no way of knowing if they are better than JHF until they are playing AFL and you can compare.

Exactly, if it’s a pick 3 for him that’s ok but to lose another player on top when we are desperate for quality players isn’t smart.

 

[safeandsound]

How do they know we won't be competitive?

It's not like we've tried it and it's failed

Exactly ... and the line of who is performing week to week tends to show the younger guys standing up in batches with substandard returns from our senior group as a whole .

 

[AFC979810]

Calling the 2019 side a 10 win team doesnt reflect where the club was at.
That year we won 2 of the last 9 games. The downward spiral had already begun.

Hard to call a 10 win team anything but a 10 win team.

 

[Jinglebells32]

Hamill is better.

Don't need both

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Sholl is a much better kick and doesn't get knocked out every 2nd week.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Hard to call a 10 win team anything but a 10 win team.

Stupidly simplistic

 

[AFC979810]

Stupidly simplistic

Sometimes in life we overthink things.

 

[Great8]

Not sure if he got injured but where is McAsey at?
Didn’t see him in the second half but he was poor from what I saw of him early today. Unfortunately for you guys it seems that you have a few that aren’t at SANFL standard even