List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Vader]

Yeah, I get that.

My point was, the club can say publicly this and that about certain players being required etc, try to keep everything in house.

In the end, there is no hiding behind the numbers that say some have to go.

This is the first time I can remember, where the club had so few uncontracted players remaining that they can't meet the AFL's mandatory minimum list changes without shedding contracted players.

 

[Thetrader15]

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Good article...references "the McAsey" and his SuperCoach points.

 

[jackster83]

Yeah, I get that.

My point was, the club can say publicly this and that about certain players being required etc, try to keep everything in house.

In the end, there is no hiding behind the numbers that say some have to go.

Some of those contracted players are dead wood anyway. Brown and McPherson can always be told their time is up and have their contracts paid out if we need the list spots.

 

[Peter Doherty]

This is the first time I can remember, where the club had so few uncontracted players remaining that they can't meet the AFL's mandatory minimum list changes without shedding contracted players.

We've maybe banked on list sizes increasing.

What the hell happens if list sizes don't increase and players refuse to be traded?

 

[Vader]

We've maybe banked on list sizes increasing.

What the hell happens if list sizes don't increase and players refuse to be traded?

Maybe... but if Callum Twomey knows that they're not going up, then you'd expect that the clubs would have the same information. I doubt they would have re-signed Himmelberg recently if they didn't know what list sizes would be, and what our list mathematics would look like.

Another possibility I didn't consider, is that we could opt for a full senior list and minimal rookie list. We currently have a 39/5 split, we could go to 40/4. We have several Cat A rookies who will be moved off the list (Davis, Strachan, Butts - noting that Turner is currently supernumerary), so we do have the option of not replacing all of these rookies.

I get the feeling that they're expecting several players to request trades. Matt Crouch is an obvious example, as a player with seemingly no future at the AFC whose best chance of prolonging his career would be find a new home. There are several others where speculation/rumours exist, suggesting that they may be looking for new homes.

 

[GrommoT]

I'm not worried about contracted players wanting to leave. I'm just drawing attention to the fact that we're reliant on them leaving this year, in order to meet the AFL's mandatory minimum list changes.

Can we shift Crouch to the rookie list? Usually, the risk of that (as it involves delisting a player and then picking the player up in the rookie draft) another club comes along to spoil the party and pick the player before we can but maybe the club wouldn't mind that too much.

They'll likely do that with Seedsman so that will cover two rookies we need to upgrade.

We hopefully need to spend a list spot for Rankine, pick up Michalaney and hopefully use pick 5 and with Frampton & Rowey(?) out of contract, they should be able to cope.

 

[Vader]

Can we shift Crouch to the rookie list? Usually, the risk of that (as it involves delisting a player and then picking the player up in the rookie draft) another club comes along to spoil the party and pick the player before we can but maybe the club wouldn't mind that too much.

They'll likely do that with Seedsman so that will cover two rookies we need to upgrade.

We hopefully need to spend a list spot for Rankine, pick up Michalaney and hopefully use pick 5 and with Frampton & Rowey(?) out of contract, they should be able to cope.

If we're going to get Rankine, upgrade 2x rookies, and make 2x ND selections, then that requires 5x senior list vacancies. We currently have 2x uncontracted senior list players, and Seedsman's removal from the senior list should be fait accompli. That still leaves 2x more vacancies which need to be created somehow.

Those vacancies could be created by:

• Switching from 39/5 to 40/4 list structure.
• Moving additional players to the rookie list.
• Trading contracted players.
• Delisting (and paying out) contracted players.

The rumours/speculation around Crouch & Sholl (and to a lesser extent McAsey) seems to be particularly strong...

 

[Jetsteam]

Please correct me. My thoughts are that the following do not have a contract beyond this year.
Davis, Frampton, Turner, Borlase, Rowe , Nankervis and Newchurch. Is this correct?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Centre Half Bench

The Waterboy

 

[Gets!]

Please correct me. My thoughts are that the following do not have a contract beyond this year.
Davis, Frampton, Turner, Borlase, Rowe , Nankervis and Newchurch. Is this correct?

All correct bar Nankervis.

 

[DJ75]

All correct bar Nankervis.

Please correct me. My thoughts are that the following do not have a contract beyond this year.
Davis, Frampton, Turner, Borlase, Rowe , Nankervis and Newchurch. Is this correct?

Of those, (assuming Nankervis is already signed), my priorities for keeping are:
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Ogilvie

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sloane said last night he is aiming to be ready for round 1, which position I wonder?

I don't mind Sloane playing midfield next season as long as he's 1 of 6

If we keep our stupid 4 inside mid structure though and he's taking up a full time centre square slot that would be a dire result.

Some centre square time split with some half forward time would be ok

 

[Vader]

Please correct me. My thoughts are that the following do not have a contract beyond this year.
Davis, Frampton, Turner, Borlase, Rowe , Nankervis and Newchurch. Is this correct?

Nankervis is contracted.

Of the others...

• Newchurch & Borlase are Cat B rookies, and don't impact list mathematics regardless of what happens;
• Turner was selected in the MSD, filling a vacancy created by moving Seedsman to the LTI list - he's a Cat A rookie, but he doesn't own a position on the list.
• Frampton & Rowe are the only uncontracted senior list players;
• Davis is the only uncontracted Cat A rookie listed player who "owns" a position on the rookie list.

 

[DJ75]

I don't mind Sloane playing midfield next season as long as he's 1 of 6

If we keep our stupid 4 inside mid structure though and he's taking up a full time centre square slot that would be a dire result.

Some centre square time split with some half forward time would be ok

Looking at him this year (and a bit the year before), I'd suggest the following playing splits for Sloane (If we are determined to play him in the middle that is):

Qtr 1: FWD 100% MID 0%
Qtr 2: FWD 90% MID 10%
Qtr 3: FWD 60% MID 40%
QTR 4: FWD 50% MID 50%

This will give him a chance to play in the midfield, once the speed is gone from the game.

Although personally I would not have him playing midfield at all.

 

[DJ75]

Nankervis is contracted.

Of the others...

• Newchurch & Borlase are Cat B rookies, and don't impact list mathematics regardless of what happens;
• Turner was selected in the MSD, filling a vacancy created by moving Seedsman to the LTI list - he's a Cat A rookie, but he doesn't own a position on the list.
• Frampton & Rowe are the only uncontracted senior list players;
• Davis is the only uncontracted Cat A rookie listed player who "owns" a position on the rookie list.

We can probably expect then that Davis will be delisted, while Rowe and Frampton are traded.
Seems reasonable.

 

[Jetsteam]

Nankervis is contracted.

Of the others...

• Newchurch & Borlase are Cat B rookies, and don't impact list mathematics regardless of what happens;
• Turner was selected in the MSD, filling a vacancy created by moving Seedsman to the LTI list - he's a Cat A rookie, but he doesn't own a position on the list.
• Frampton & Rowe are the only uncontracted senior list players;
• Davis is the only uncontracted Cat A rookie listed player who "owns" a position on the rookie list.

Many thanks.

 

[Vader]

We can probably expect then that Davis will be delisted, while Rowe and Frampton are traded.
Seems reasonable.

I think those are all given. Note previous posts about the need to move on contracted players as well, just to meet the AFL's mandatory minimum list changes.

 

[DJ75]

I think those are all given. Note previous posts about the need to move on contracted players as well, just to meet the AFL's mandatory minimum list changes.

Might also add in a McAsey trade as well. Maybe Sholl.
Could be a BUSY trade period.

 

[crows dude]

I think Butts, Murray and Strachan all need to be upgraded so there are the three

Borlase and Newchurch can stay I think as cat b rookies. May need to be corrected on that one.

Delist McPherson, Davis and Turner
Trade Crouch, Frampton and Rowe
Retire Seedsman

Gives us 35 on the senior list and 3 Rookies 1 Cat A and 2 Cat B

 

[Vader]

Might also add in a McAsey trade as well. Maybe Sholl.
Could be a BUSY trade period.

Lots of rumours/speculation, and given the list mathematics - a lot of it could be true.

 

[Vader]

I think Butts, Murray and Strachan all need to be upgraded so there are the three

Butts & Strachan need to be upgraded. Murray can still have another year on the rookie list.

Borlase and Newchurch can stay I think as cat b rookies. May need to be corrected on that one.

Correct.

Note that delisting Turner does not create a vacancy on the Cat A rookie list.

 

[CROW in BALI]

Good article...references "the McAsey" and his SuperCoach points.

Quality Herald Sun reporting, the same who had Gawn getting $250 k more than he did last year and Rankine apparently getting $850. All guess work with a touch of self promotion.

 

[Macca48]

McAsey, Sholl and 23 for Carlton's 10?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How concerned would we be about our inexperience?

The youngest team / squad. Plus Brown, Sloane, Seedsman all with injury/health concerns. Crouch on the outer.

Are we content to just let our young players grow together over the next few years? Solve our inexperience issue organically. Or will we seek to hurry things along & balance things up to a degree by trading out a couple of younger players and perhaps targeting a mature ager or two?

 

[GROTTO]

I don't mind Sloane playing midfield next season as long as he's 1 of 6

If we keep our stupid 4 inside mid structure though and he's taking up a full time centre square slot that would be a dire result.

Some centre square time split with some half forward time would be ok

Sloane is cooked, coming off an ACL.

I will be surprised if he can make an impact at SANFL level.