List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I don't mind Sloane playing midfield next season as long as he's 1 of 6

If we keep our stupid 4 inside mid structure though and he's taking up a full time centre square slot that would be a dire result.

Some centre square time split with some half forward time would be ok

Sloane was pretty decent in the half forward role, wasn't he?

We could certainly use some tackling pressure in other areas of the ground aside from the contest.

 

[BACCS]

How concerned would we be about our inexperience?

The youngest team / squad. Plus Brown, Sloane, Seedsman all with injury/health concerns. Crouch on the outer.

Are we content to just let our young players grow together over the next few years? Solve our inexperience issue organically. Or will we seek to hurry things along & balance things up to a degree by trading out a couple of younger players and perhaps targeting a mature ager or two?

Is Jed Anderson worth a go as a DFA? Hard at it, has good skills and can find a bit of the ball

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interestingly, we now have just 2x uncontracted players on our senior list (Rowe & Frampton)... and we need a minimum of 4x vacancies, to accommodate Rankine and the minimum 3x ND selections (which can include rookie upgrades).

Assuming Twomey's information is correct, and the AFL has lied again - and is refusing to return list sizes to pre-COVID levels - then the implication is that we are planning on trading at least 1x contracted player this year. I expect the other vacancy to be created by Seedsman either retiring or being moved to the rookie list (and thence to the inactive list).

If we're planning on trading in multiple players, or drafting more than 1 player in the ND, then multiple contracted players will need to be traded out.

I think we may see 2-3 players traded out.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Correct... but they still need senior list vacancies to move into.

Can't we just change our senior/rookie mix... & have less rookie?

ie. Don't backfill those promoted to the senior list.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Looking at him this year (and a bit the year before), I'd suggest the following playing splits for Sloane (If we are determined to play him in the middle that is):

Qtr 1: FWD 100% MID 0%
Qtr 2: FWD 90% MID 10%
Qtr 3: FWD 60% MID 40%
QTR 4: FWD 50% MID 50%

This will give him a chance to play in the midfield, once the speed is gone from the game.

Although personally I would not have him playing midfield at all.

Sloane said he thought he'd be playing a fair bit forward, but now with Rankine, Rachele TT, Fog etc in the forward line perhaps he'd have to play in the backlines
If that's his thought process it's a good sign

 

[ams4crows]

McAsey, Sholl and 23 for Carlton's 10?

Apparently Carlton have to use their first this year or at least a 1st rounder in some capacity

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sloane said last night he is aiming to be ready for round 1, which position I wonder?

Half forward/wing

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

How concerned would we be about our inexperience?

The youngest team / squad. Plus Brown, Sloane, Seedsman all with injury/health concerns. Crouch on the outer.

Are we content to just let our young players grow together over the next few years? Solve our inexperience issue organically. Or will we seek to hurry things along & balance things up to a degree by trading out a couple of younger players and perhaps targeting a mature ager or two?

I think we're ok, but I can see the club being worried

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Some of those contracted players are dead wood anyway. Brown and McPherson can always be told their time is up and have their contracts paid out if we need the list spots.

We could push them to the rookie list.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sloane was pretty decent in the half forward role, wasn't he?

We could certainly use some tackling pressure in other areas of the ground aside from the contest.

I don't remember him having much impact up forward but we rarely persisted with it for any length of time. As soon as he had a quiet quarter he was straight back in the middle. I agree that his tackling pressure would be good plus he's a decent mark for his size. He should be able to impact the game as a half forward. The biggest thing would be for him to accept that he can no longer be a prime midfielder. Seems to be a real badge of honour thing

 

[crows dude]

How concerned would we be about our inexperience?

The youngest team / squad. Plus Brown, Sloane, Seedsman all with injury/health concerns. Crouch on the outer.

Are we content to just let our young players grow together over the next few years? Solve our inexperience issue organically. Or will we seek to hurry things along & balance things up to a degree by trading out a couple of younger players and perhaps targeting a mature ager or two?

We have a good core that hopefully hit that 70-150 mark all at once in the next 3 years

Doedee	71​
Jones	58​
Fogarty	58​
McHenry	49​
Schoenberg	46​
mcAdam	43​
Butts	43​
Hamill	38​
Himmelberg	38​
Sholl	38​
Berry	35​
Murray	29​
Hately	27​
Thilthorpe	25​
Hinge	21​
Soligo	16​

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Questions on their longevity:
Seedsman
Brown
Hamill
MacPherson

All four under contract. Hamill for a couple of years from memory.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sloane was pretty decent in the half forward role, wasn't he?

We could certainly use some tackling pressure in other areas of the ground aside from the contest.

A fit Sloane would be an upgrade on Rowe, Murphy & McHenry!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think we're ok, but I can see the club being worried

It's not like any had a major impact this year.

Sloane likely will next year, Crouch likely traded & Seedsman doubtful.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I think we're ok, but I can see the club being worried

The club would, and should, be very worried. We're the youngest by some margin, and it includes those players mentioned above.

Adding Rankine and a few draftees is great, but we desperately need a few more players in the 22-28 range.

 

[DJ75]

A fit Sloane would be an upgrade on Rowe, Murphy & McHenry!

I'd prefer not to have any of them!

McAdam Fog Rachele
Walker Thilthorpe Rankine

Maybe Sloane or McHenry off the bench.
Maybe.

 

[Vader]

Can't we just change our senior/rookie mix... & have less rookie?

ie. Don't backfill those promoted to the senior list.

I covered that in a later post.

In 2022 we went with a 39/5 mix, opting to select Nankervis in the PSD instead of waiting for the RD. We have the option of going to a 40/4 mix, but that only creates a maximum of one more senior list position.

 

[SuperBashBros]

Bit of coin tied up in Sloane and ROB.

 

[Danger Zone]

Bit of coin tied up in Sloane and ROB.

We must be really over paying the rest of our list to even make the salary floor to be honest. Even RoB (who is very much still overpaid) isn't making that much for the 4th highest on a team.

 

[DJ75]

Bit of coin tied up in Sloane and ROB.

Anyone got the full list? I'm fascinated to see how Geelong's mythical salary cap works.

 

[maxlilly]

Bit of coin tied up in Sloane and ROB.

I reckon Tex would be earning more than ROB ?

 

[maxlilly]

Questions on their longevity:
Seedsman
Brown
Hamill
MacPherson

All four under contract. Hamill for a couple of years from memory.

I think Seedsman will retire or be put on the rookie list for a year and not play
Brown I think will play out his final year in the sanfl
Hamill depends how many more concussions he gets, one more bad one next year and he would seriously need to start thinking of life after footy
MacPherson, not sure where he stands or whose spot he takes ? Smiths spot.
Smith is the big worry for me, has 2 more years and I thought he was pretty bad for most of this year. He didn't deserve his spot in the team most weeks.

 

[maxlilly]

Sloane is cooked, coming off an ACL.

I will be surprised if he can make an impact at SANFL level.

I can see a repeat of the Milera situation playing out here.
Get him in round 1 as a reward for all the hard work with his rehab and then stink it up for the rest of the year but we persevere to the detriment of the team.
Lets hope he comes back well and can contribute

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The club would, and should, be very worried. We're the youngest by some margin, and it includes those players mentioned above.

Adding Rankine and a few draftees is great, but we desperately need a few more players in the 22-28 range.

We might get in trouble if we get too many injuries to senior players.

But we should only bring mature talent that will play long term for us. And there's only so many gettable targets

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I think Seedsman will retire or be put on the rookie list for a year and not play
Brown I think will play out his final year in the sanfl
Hamill depends how many more concussions he gets, one more bad one next year and he would seriously need to start thinking of life after footy
MacPherson, not sure where he stands or whose spot he takes ? Smiths spot.
Smith is the big worry for me, has 2 more years and I thought he was pretty bad for most of this year. He didn't deserve his spot in the team most weeks.

Smith is far, far, far away from being dropped.

Without him we have next to ZERO run and carry from the back line. Hamill has shown glimpses but can't seem to go on with it, Parnell needs time, Jones often looks to be almost a lock-down wingman at time but doesn't show much offensively, and Hinge is OK but not exactly lightning quick.

Smith's spot is safe as houses.