List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[CrowToon]

Be stupid not to make a play for Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

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[Gets!]

Be stupid not to make a play for Jack Graham.

Absolutely.

Anyone who thinks he would not immediately improve our side does not know football.

Leadership quality, big game player, hard as nails and has the ability to burst out of the pack. Local to boot.

 

[crow2crow]

Absolutely.

Anyone who thinks he would not immediately improve our side does not know football.

Leadership quality, big game player, hard as nails and has the ability to burst out of the pack. Local to boot.

he's average I would not

 

[CrowToon]

he's average I would not
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Average for us is still an upgrade. Cha-ching where does he sign?

 

[jackster83]

Hollands would be one of the least likely to be traded given they've nursed him through his ACL repatriation with great patience....you're dreaming if you think he'd be the one given he's hardly on the big $$$$'s just yet. I'd say you'd have more chance at Rowell given his indifferent form post injury and no doubt the $$$$'s he's on now.

Hollands, Miller, Anderson and King would be their untouchables. Probably Andrew too.

If they were going to salary dump, I think it would be middling players like Brandon Ellis or Alex Sexton they'd be looking to offload.

 

[Crow_68]

Be stupid not to make a play for Jack Graham.

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Our friends down the road will definitely be interested.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Hollands would be one of the least likely to be traded given they've nursed him through his ACL repatriation with great patience....you're dreaming if you think he'd be the one given he's hardly on the big $$$$'s just yet. I'd say you'd have more chance at Rowell given his indifferent form post injury and no doubt the $$$$'s he's on now.

Tell that to West Coast who supported Rioli through his playing ban, and asked to be traded to Port regardless. Tell that to Snake Lever who was taken by us despite being overlooked by Melb in the draft because of his knee, and ended up getting to them anyway.

Hollands is a Crows fan, has connections here, and once he’s OOC come 2024 will likely be just another salary cap headache for Gold Coast.

I agree it’s unlikely, but with GC feeling the squeeze it’s as good a time as any to ask the question.


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[CrowToon]

Our friends down the road will definitely be interested.

I'm sure Rucci will cross out 'Duncly' from his previous nauseating notes and replace Jack and sell it as a done deal

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pretty damning on them if those 2 are our best prospects

The original question related to the future best prospects who played in the SANFL game ...... quite a few players hadn't qualified for SANFL Finals ....and many played AFL

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Hollands, Miller, Anderson and King would be their untouchables. Probably Andrew too.

If they were going to salary dump, I think it would be middling players like Brandon Ellis or Alex Sexton they'd be looking to offload.

It’s all well and good for a club to want to offload certain players, but you’ve got to find a willing participant who’s OK with eating the sh!t sandwich.

Who is on Gold Coasts list that:

A) We’d be prepared to take their salary on but;
B) Still actually provides us with a role need

Anyone?

Again, if you don’t have a club who’s willing to take one of these fringe players on, and their associated salaries, then the cap has to be relieved by GC one way or another. Just remember that they’re overpaying everyone (confirmed by their own list boss), not just the ‘untouchables’, so my guess is that when push comes to shove some of these ‘untouchables’ will become gettable in the coming years. Why not ask the question now and at least offer some value, as opposed to them losing some players for a packet of chips in a year or two.




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[WeedsMullet84]

he's average I would not
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Average because he’s being compared against other midfielders, when in fact he’s more a MID/FWD and obviously has the stats to reflect that.


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[crow2crow]

Average because he’s being compared against other midfielders, when in fact he’s more a MID/FWD and obviously has the stats to reflect that.


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Right thats the exact issue - we dont need another low possession hybrid

We need a gun midfielder with elite speed and kick.

 

[Thetrader15]

Absolutely.

Anyone who thinks he would not immediately improve our side does not know football.

Leadership quality, big game player, hard as nails and has the ability to burst out of the pack. Local to boot.

Burst out of the pack? Since when?

Yes, he's tough, good leader, but not overly quick, 181cm, KE is 64% compared with Laird 67% and more of the same of what we already have in Laird, Keays, Berry, Hately, types.

It's a pass from me, I think we need skills and pace as #1 and #2 priorities in our midfield.

 

[Thetrader15]

Average because he’s being compared against other midfielders, when in fact he’s more a MID/FWD and obviously has the stats to reflect that.


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He only kicked 8 goals this year from 14 shots. That's not great from a team that made the finals if he's been playing forward. Keays, Murphy and McHenry both scored more goals than that from a bottom team.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Burst out of the pack? Since when?

Yes, he's tough, good leader, but not overly quick, 181cm, KE is 64% compared with Laird 67% and more of the same of what we already have in Laird, Keays, Berry, Hately, types.

It's a pass from me, I think we need skills and pace as #1 and #2 priorities in our midfield.

2 x Premiership winner, 2nd in Richmond B&F last year.

Sit 1st in the competition for Pressure Acts in the last two years. Absolute beast.




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[WeedsMullet84]

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[Cap]

Why is our club champion so late? No wonder we haven't delisted yet.

 

[Thetrader15]

2 x Premiership winner, 2nd in Richmond B&F last year.

Sit 1st in the competition for Pressure Acts in the last two years. Absolute beast.

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Like I said, he's a good player, I'm not disputing that, but I think Berry has this role covered. While Graham has been playing more forward this year (why was that?), Berry has him well covered defensively.


Actually, Laird's pretty close too.

 

[All_In]

Has Nicks 'written all over him'. Which these days means something totally different given all the weird stickers these days but I am sure, you all know what I mean.

EDIT: Its a no IMV given our playing profile.

 

[BRL121]

Jack Graham open to a trade with Taranto and Hopper coming in.

Yes please!

How many Brownlow votes has he been polling?

Are you a Marty alias?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Burst out of the pack? Since when?

Yes, he's tough, good leader, but not overly quick, 181cm, KE is 64% compared with Laird 67% and more of the same of what we already have in Laird, Keays, Berry, Hately, types.

It's a pass from me, I think we need skills and pace as #1 and #2 priorities in our midfield.

Collingwood have the worst Disposal Efficiency, and the 2nd worst kicking efficiency in the competition, and were a kick away from making the GF.

I really wouldn’t put too much into those stats.

Richmond won their flags with their pressure across the ground, and Graham provides pressure in spades, particularly outside the contest where we struggle.


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[Thetrader15]

Collingwood have the worst Disposal Efficiency, and the 2nd worst kicking efficiency in the competition, and were a kick away from making the GF.

I really wouldn’t put too much into those stats.

Richmond won their flags with their pressure across the ground, and Graham provides pressure in spades, particularly outside the contest where we struggle.


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So go for Graham, even though we are flush for good inside mids and should be considering the make up of the midfield as opposed to pure quality? (note, I agree with this).

Adelaide not giving him the flick. That was a Channel 9 segment that was run where Nicks responded and has categorically said no conversation has been had with Crouch about being not extended beyond next years contract.

My guess is that we're already struggling to pay the minimum 95% salary cap, so we might look to cover the entirety of his next years salary if he wants to go for more opportunity. He's still a great player, albeit one-dimensional, he's just not going to get games ahead of Laird & Keays.

We have issues all over the park, but inside mids we are flush for.

Yeah fair points.

I still think Keays will rotate through the middle, seemed to be a specific job he did on Saad.

It's more a balance of experience/new players as opposed to 'who is better' in terms Laird/Keays/Berry/Schoenberg

Schoenberg is more outside mid, and Berry isn't an accumulator, more so a lock-down tackler. His defensive work is better than Crouch, and we already have good inside accumulators, particularly Laird. So like i said, it's more about the makeup of the midfield as opposed to pure quality.

He contracted for next year on what is likely a modest salary, and Nicks has already publicly stated Crows have not had a convo with him about not extending him past his contract.

Poor team, sure, but we are flush for 'good' inside mids. He's an excellent inside accumulating mid, albeit pretty one-dimensional, and lacks the same defensive quality of Laird/Keays. For us having Laird/Keays/Crouch all on the inside is not good for us and the balance we're trying to create between experience and giving developing players game time.

I'm really not sure how to explain it in any simpler terms for you.

 

[George Kramer]

Collingwood have the worst Disposal Efficiency, and the 2nd worst kicking efficiency in the competition, and were a kick away from making the GF.

I really wouldn’t put too much into those stats.

Richmond won their flags with their pressure across the ground, and Graham provides pressure in spades, particularly outside the contest where we struggle.


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Collingwood also play a very attacking game and take risks, as a result
their disposal efficiency should be worse than a team who play the slow safe possession game and they were second worst not worst.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Dont Brisbane have someone to match around the 15-20 mark also?

Fletcher

 

[crow2crow]

Collingwood also play a very attacking game and take risks, as a result
their disposal efficiency should be worse than a team who play the slow safe possession game and they were second worst not worst.

Carmichael would have brought down their DE single-handedly