List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Danger in Texas]

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Every year there are trades made that completely mystify me. The trades that saw PAFC get those 3 picks in the 2018 draft, Treloar to WB, Smith then Shiel to Ess. And the inevitable el cheapo trading of Hopper and Taranto to Richmond.

I want some of that action!!

Treloar to WB, Shiel/Smith to Ess, Taranto/Hopper to Rich were obviously well pre-planned. All rumoured well before the deal actually happened. There has been no mention of a 'Hollands to Crows' move in 2022 being on the cards - thus no reason to believe it will happen, especially this late in the rumour saga

Surely Rankine is good enough for us?!

 

[Danger in Texas]

what Im saying is pick 5 is off the table unless it included hollands

even if its pick 5, F1 and something else for the two of them I would do it

I'll save the melts - I reckon that's highly unlikely

The only way I'll be disappointed is if we give up pick 5 straight-up, or more than pick 5. If it's pick 5 for Rankine + GC's 2nd, it's a solid deal for us

 

[crow2crow]

I'll save the melts - I reckon that's highly unlikely

The only way I'll be disappointed is if we give up pick 5 straight-up, or more than pick 5. If it's pick 5 for Rankine + GC's 2nd, it's a solid deal for us

Im not happy with that deal personally

 

[anonymous Derik]

Im not happy with that deal personally

Personally I think that deal is par, anything else either way is a clear win/loss.

 

[Mutineer]

because that wont be easy
might be better to push GC now as part of the rankine trade if they keep insisting on this pick 5 rubbish

if we cant get phillipou cos pick 5 is traded, hollands needs to be part of it IMO.

Fantasy of great magnitude that a contracted Elijah Hollands is any chance of being a Crow this trade period.

 

[crow2crow]

Personally I think that deal is par, anything else either way is a clear win/loss.

nah either 2023 F1 or better still package up other picks into a mid teens pick if possible

pick 5 doesnt come around often for us take it to the draft

there is a big difference between pick 5 and pick 10ish in player quality

 

[crow2crow]

Fantasy of great magnitude that a contracted Elijah Holland's is any chance of being a Crow this trade period.

we can only dream

 

[Sanders]

Adelaide great names the “best two prospects” on Crows list

The former coach has identified two players in particular.

www.sen.com.au

In Blighty we trust

 

[Mutineer]

In Blighty we trust

In Hamish and Justin we trust...
Maybe a silver lining to the McAsey pick?

 

[crow2crow]

In Hamish and Justin we trust...
Maybe a silver lining to the McAsey pick?

Congrats that is the longest straw in history. Guinness will be in touch

 

[Vader]

Gollant, Parnell, Himmelberg and Hinge were signed during this season. That was 2 too many.

I would have signed Hinge and one of the other 3 ….. most likely Himmelberg, least likely Gollant.

Nah... all 3 were good signings. Himmelberg the most controversial of them, but anyone who looks at our list can see the obvious lack of KPFs, so it wasn't like we had any viable alternatives.

 

[Sanders]

In Hamish and Justin we trust...
Maybe a silver lining to the McAsey pick?

Pretty damning on them if those 2 are our best prospects

 

[Gets!]

Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

open to a trade with Taranto and Hopper coming in.

Yes please!

 

[Vader]

Can we move contracted players not named Seedsman to the rookie list?

Yes, in theory - but we really don't have any list spots on the rookie list to play with.

Assuming we move Seedsman to the rookie list, we'll have Parnell, Murray and Seedsman on the rookie list - plus Turner if we re-sign him. We currently have a 37/5 list structure, and some are speculating that we could go to a 38/4 list structure to free up another position on the senior list.

If we go to 38/4, then retaining Turner means we have a full rookie list, and wouldn't be able to move any other senior players to the rookie list. If we stay with 37/5, then we potentially have 1 rookie list position to play with - but 1 less position on the senior list (which defeats the purpose of the exercise).

Note that Seedsman can't be moved to the inactive list until after the RD, so while we can fill his rookie list position via the PSSP, he still needs a rookie list position available in the first place.

EDIT: I like Mego Red's suggestion of delisting Turner, moving Seedsman to the rookie list in his position, then placing Seedsman on the inactive list and re-signing Turner via the PSSP. Effectively this creates a free rookie list position, at the minimal risk of another club selecting Turner in the ND/PSD/RD.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

So what tall defender are we going to use pick 5 on?

 

[crow2crow]

I'd keep Turner on the list. I'd happily move someone like McPherson to the rookie list if it meant opening up an extra senior list spot

Senior List Outs: Rowe, Frampton, Brown, Seedsman(?), Crouch(?), McPherson(?)
Senior List Ins: Strachan, Butts, Rankine, Pick ???, Michalanney, Pick ???/Bowes

Rookie List Outs: Butts, Strachan, Davis
Rookie List Ins: Turner, McPherson, SSP (Seedsman)

Depends if we think we need an extra senior list spot or not

just pay mcpherson out problem solved

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Fantasy of great magnitude that a contracted Elijah Hollands is any chance of being a Crow this trade period.

Under normal circumstances you’d say zero chance, but several articles this week have clearly stated that GC are in a world of hurt with their salary cap.

I understand the premise of one article is basically suggesting players like Bowes (fringe players) should be traded to ease salary cap pressure, but you’d imagine these names being thrown up are only half-measures. God knows what Lukosius is on, Rowell and Anderson OOC of contract next year and King 2024. If they’re experiencing pressure NOW, imagine what the next few years looks like.

No harm in asking the question when there are mitigating factors in play.


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[WeedsMullet84]

Yes, but it doesn't necessarily open up more picks. It COULD be done just by delisting and re-rookieing, and shuffling the numbers of main and rookie list players.

The way it opens up an actual spot is you delist Turner and only re-sign him when you move Seedsman to the LTI list, which wouldn't be a bad play.

Yep that would work, good suggestion. Hopefully they’re all over it!


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[Mutineer]

Under normal circumstances you’d say zero chance, but several articles this week have clearly stated that GC are in a world of hurt with their salary cap.

I understand the premise of one article is basically suggesting players like Bowes (fringe players) should be traded to ease salary cap pressure, but you’d imagine these names being thrown up are only half-measures. God knows what Lukosius is on, Rowell and Anderson OOC of contract next year and King 2024. If they’re experiencing pressure NOW, imagine what the next few years looks like.

No harm in asking the question when there are mitigating factors in play.


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Hollands would be one of the least likely to be traded given they've nursed him through his ACL repatriation with great patience....you're dreaming if you think he'd be the one given he's hardly on the big $$$$'s just yet. I'd say you'd have more chance at Rowell given his indifferent form post injury and no doubt the $$$$'s he's on now.

 

[Mutineer]

So what tall defender are we going to use pick 5 on?

Aaron Cadman?

Switched from defence to forward this year?

Given we drafted McAsey as a KPD and we're now reinventing him as forward why not?

 

[crow2crow]

Aaron Cadman?

Switched from defence to forward this year?

Given we drafted McAsey as a KPD and we're now reinventing him as forward why not?

I wouldn't be surprised if we picked cadman because we all know with our recruitment team expect the unexpected

 

[Mutineer]

I wouldn't be surprised if we picked cadman because we all know with our recruitment team expect the unexpected

Well he is a ripper prospect after all, one of the hardest working KPF's I've seen coming through in the last decade, Nick Riewoldt like in that regard, never out of the contest whether in the air or on the ground.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

what Im saying is pick 5 is off the table unless it included hollands

even if its pick 5, F1 and something else for the two of them I would do it

Yep. Just remember that there’s already precedent for clubs trying to get rid of players that are actually First 22, solid performers. Treloar was sent to the Bulldogs for what was effectively a future 2nd round pick, and Pies still coughed up $1.5m of his remaining 5 year contract.
Makes me laugh that Pies still think they’re going to get high draft picks for Grundy whilst asking another club to take a salary dump too.


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[WeedsMullet84]

Treloar to WB, Shiel/Smith to Ess, Taranto/Hopper to Rich were obviously well pre-planned. All rumoured well before the deal actually happened. There has been no mention of a 'Hollands to Crows' move in 2022 being on the cards - thus no reason to believe it will happen, especially this late in the rumour saga

Surely Rankine is good enough for us?!

Man you are really conservative with your thinking.

Or maybe just realistic


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[Mutineer]

Pretty damning on them if those 2 are our best prospects

But but Blighty...