List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[theGav56]

If the affliction can be fixed, I'm still all in on Jackson.

Going to have seven years to get it right.

Big decision for the club and I can understand the attraction, but it's still a pretty big gamble. If it happens I'll get behind it.

 

[theGav56]

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That very first play of the game.

Oh.

 

[King Tenz]

On Jackson how does having a bad knee make him drop every mark he gets his hands on and be constantly under the ball with bad judgement


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I don't know. You tell me?

Sean Darcy has also been playing with a knee injury most of the season and he can't mark the footy either this year.

 

[King Tenz]

I'm not sure how athletic big man is playing **** because his knee is ****ed is supposed to elevate the case for him?

The knee injury explains why he hasn't performed to expectations this year.

He's still a ****ing gun.

 

[Joao]

The knee injury explains why he hasn't performed to expectations this year.

He's still a ******* gun.

Yes I understand that, but why would would be throwing 7 years deals at an athletic player with a dodgy knee?

The second point is just false. He may be gun one day, at the moment he's a borderline potato.

 

[theGav56]

The knee injury explains why he hasn't performed to expectations this year.

He's still a ******* gun.

How are you defining him as a gun if it isn't based on his performances due to an injured knee?

 

[Polo342]

How are you defining him as a gun if it isn't based on his performances due to an injured knee?

How many guns are there in the comp at 20 years old?

 

[wakojako]

How many guns are there in the comp at 20 years old?

I want him but I wouldn't say he is a gun... yet.

 

[Sweetback]

It's not that farfetched on a skills basis really

The problem is its a full preseason and then 10 weeks in the WAFL of training kind of situation, which doesn't work for someone on 500k, also doesn't work if someone goes down 5 rounds in and he is suddenly playing defense again

Yeah I don’t reckon he’s far off, just close the gap between HF and HB where he’s working already.

 

[Taylor]

Yes I understand that, but why would would be throwing 7 years deals at an athletic player with a dodgy knee?

The second point is just false. He may be gun one day, at the moment he's a borderline potato.

Then hopefully we can trade for him cheaply and he grows into the player I expect him to be.

 

[Joao]

Then hopefully we can trade for him cheaply and he grows into the player I expect him to be.

Except that is the point, we are going to pay and trade for him as if he were already that player. He's miles off it if he ever gets there.

 

[King Tenz]

Yes I understand that, but why would would be throwing 7 years deals at an athletic player with a dodgy knee?

The second point is just false. He may be gun one day, at the moment he's a borderline potato.

Future gun. Young gun. Potential gun. All the same to me I guess, a guns a gun.

Rising star winner last year. Clearly playing through injury this year. Still like 20 years old too, so plenty of room to improve.

2 late firsts for him and something coming back to us isn't the end of the world in my mind.

 

[Dockeroo]

You have to be willing to take risks to win a flag. Waiting here drafting for ever, gun shy of trades because of previous bad outcomes, won’t get us where we want to.
As long as we aren’t paying him crazy money, I have no issue with pick 14 or 15, this year and next year. Being spent on a tall that should play 200 games for us.
If we do t get jackson and instead draft another tall at pick 15, they (a) may not be any good, and (b) if they are won’t be any good for about 4 years.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Future gun. Young gun. Potential gun. All the same to me I guess, a guns a gun.

Rising star winner last year. Clearly playing through injury this year. Still like 20 years old too, so plenty of room to improve.

2 late firsts for him and something coming back to us isn't the end of the world in my mind.

Hope you’re right.

 

[Taylor]

Except that is the point, we are going to pay and trade for him as if he were already that player. He's miles off it if he ever gets there.

I think the trade will reflect that he is an age where he wouldn't play at AFL level in that position and yet does, contributing to the team.

But I still want him to play as a clearance mid

 

[Tundrawolf]

Have to disagree there, many posters were upset at the mere thought of Sturt getting delisted. I'm glad he didn't but he is valued higher than he should be.

Because it would have been a poor list management decision and probably why he was offered another year.

 

[Joao]

Future gun. Young gun. Potential gun. All the same to me I guess, a guns a gun.

Rising star winner last year. Clearly playing through injury this year. Still like 20 years old too, so plenty of room to improve.

2 late firsts for him and something coming back to us isn't the end of the world in my mind.

They are not the same because I know a current gun is good, I only assume/hope that a future one is.

Rising star is a guarantee of nothing.

We don't know the price yet and moreso than trade, its the salary that's offensive to me.

You have to be willing to take risks to win a flag. Waiting here drafting for ever, gun shy of trades because of previous bad outcomes, won’t get us where we want to.
As long as we aren’t paying him crazy money, I have no issue with pick 14 or 15, this year and next year. Being spent on a tall that should play 200 games for us.
If we do t get jackson and instead draft another tall at pick 15, they (a) may not be any good, and (b) if they are won’t be any good for about 4 years.

At least if you're going to take a risk, take a risk fixing the part of the ground thats broken not the one that works great most of the time. And it seems we ARE paying him crazy money. Hence the backlash.

I think the trade will reflect that he is an age where he wouldn't play at AFL level in that position and yet does, contributing to the team.

But I still want him to play as a clearance mid

Is that the best we can do for the price? He wouldn't normally play at his age? 7x800k is justified on that? In a position we don't need (ruck or midfield, we don't need him there)?

 

[Taylor]

They are not the same because I know a current gun is good, I only assume/hope that a future one is.

Rising star is a guarantee of nothing.

We don't know the price yet and moreso than trade, its the salary that's offensive to me.


At least if you're going to take a risk, take a risk fixing the part of the ground thats broken not the one that works great most of the time. And it seems we ARE paying him crazy money. Hence the backlash.



Is that the best we can do for the price? He wouldn't normally play at his age? 7x800k is justified on that? In a position we don't need (ruck or midfield, we don't need him there)?

Yes it's the best player a WA side will get for that price. He is a ruck, a 20 year old ruck. Most don't play until they are older and the ones who do are very good.

We should get drawing as much mature talent to the side as we can.

 

[Taylor]

We aren't choosing between Josh Kennedy reborn coming home and Jackson

 

[Joao]

Yes it's the best player a WA will get for that price. He is a ruck, a 20 year old ruck. Most don't play until they are older and the ones who do are very good.

We should get drawing as much mature talent to the side as we can.

So we have to pay wild overs because he's the best we can do?

Lets just grant he is guaranteed to be good because he is a ruck playing young. Can you outline your plan of what to do with Darcy and how to justify having 1.5m tied up in rucks? The position that the Dees literally provide the exception to the rule (last year) that you don't need that much quality in the ruck to win flags.

Why? Why do we have to throw money at anybody? What's wrong with the draft. It's working so well for us. I'm sure we can hit the cap floor easily by paying Andy, Caleb, Young etc what they are worth. Highly doubt we're going to have too much salary to work with in the next few years given the age of the list.

We aren't choosing between Josh Kennedy reborn coming home and Jackson

Nobody even implied that. We don't need someone that good, just someone who'll improve the 14th best attack. A couple of first round picks gives you a better chance than zero does, by a wide margin.

 

[Carnthedockers]

I think some on here fail to remember how little some of the tall guns of the comp had done to this stage of their career. Jackson is a risk worth taking. I feel this will be a thread looked back on in a few years.

 

[Taylor]

So we have to pay wild overs because he's the best we can do?

Lets just grant he is guaranteed to be good because he is a ruck playing young. Can you outline your plan of what to do with Darcy and how to justify having 1.5m tied up in rucks? The position that the Dees literally provide the exception to the rule (last year) that you don't need that much quality in the ruck to win flags.

Why? Why do we have to throw money at anybody? What's wrong with the draft. It's working so well for us. I'm sure we can hit the cap floor easily by paying Andy, Caleb, Young etc what they are worth. Highly doubt we're going to have too much salary to work with in the next few years given the age of the list.

Nobody even implied that. We don't need someone that good, just someone who'll improve the 14th best attack. A couple of first round picks gives you a better chance than zero does, by a wide margin.

The issue with the draft is going to be felt in the next two to four years as all those top picks of ours hit free agency and want to get paid.

We aren't going to find a teenager in the draft at pick fifteen that will make us a better forward line before that period.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Yes I understand that, but why would would be throwing 7 years deals at an athletic player with a dodgy knee?

The second point is just false. He may be gun one day, at the moment he's a borderline potato.

Potatoes don’t win Rising Stars - unluess you are Rhys Palmer and that was because he playing in a team full of spuds at the time.
If the AFL in general rate Jackson as a 20 year old, as a kid with massive potential and the general consensus is that he is worth a couple of late 1st rounders - I’ll back the club in to do that or fold.
You obviously don’t rate Jackson and you want the club to continue with going to the draft, there are no KPF’s available this year that are going to pop from the draft and play round 1 next year or that other clubs will let go like a McDonald who in my opinion is slow and overrated.
You give me a chuckle every time I see you dislike another posters thoughts….I dislike the dislikes - makes you look like a w***er.
Sit back and relax a little.

 

[Taylor]

If Jackson grows and allows us to maintain dominant midfield position all game it will make our forward line improve.

 

[Taylor]

Potatoes don’t win Rising Stars - unluess you are Rhys Palmer and that was because he playing in a team full of spuds at the time.
If the AFL in general rate Jackson as a 20 year old, as a kid with massive potential and the general consensus is that he is worth a couple of late 1st rounders - I’ll back the club in to do that or fold.
You obviously don’t rate Jackson and you want the club to continue with going to the draft, there are no KPF’s available this year that are going to pop from the draft and play round 1 next year or that other clubs will let go like a McDonald who in my opinion is slow and overrated.
You give me a chuckle every time I see you dislike another posters thoughts….I dislike the dislikes - makes you look like a w***er.
Sit back and relax a little.

He's allowed to have a passionate opinion and disagree. No need to get personal.