Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Brennan Cox

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Brennan Cox

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

from Fremantle... what comes back the other way?

They're losing Lobb so Himmelberg maybe?

Out of our other players - maybe McAdam?

Doesn't feel like we'll have the draft pick capital to get it done alone and Himmelberg/McAdam don't get it done by themselves

 

[Mego Red]

Brennan Cox from Fremantle... what comes back the other way?

They're losing Lobb so Himmelberg maybe?

Out of our other players - maybe McAdam?

Doesn't feel like we'll have the draft pick capital to get it done alone and Himmelberg/McAdam don't get it done by themselves

Himmelburg/McAdam is very close - though I'm not sure Himmelburg adds much.

If Coz is worth a pick 18 to 22, McAdam is probably worth a pick 28 to 32. It's not a massive gap to fill.

 

[StonesThrow]

I’ve always felt it’s the least critical position, Melbourne last year with Gawn was an outlier. Geelong have never had an elite ruckman since Ottens. Collingwood looking to actively trade their best ruckman.

An elite midfield will do well regardless of the ruck tapping to them.

100% agree with this. An okay ruck is fine. An elite ruck is a bonus.

 

[StonesThrow]

Cox and Rankine fill two big needs and are the right age. I'd have no problem spending decent picks on them rather than go to the draft.

Problem is our biggest need is a top line mid...

 

[Ramify]

100% agree with this. An okay ruck is fine. An elite ruck is a bonus.

Any Ruckman that can kick a ball properly is an elite bonus to my mind.

 

[Sanders]

Yeah potentially, I still think there would be a significant pull for him towards Port if he did come back due to his connection to the club through his Step Dad.

His step dad did not leave under good terms with Port, and he himself followed Freo due to his step dads connection with them

 

[D Style]

His step dad did not leave under good terms with Port, and he himself followed Freo due to his step dads connection with them

Funny, his step Dad did not leave Port on good terms, but his step Dad is synonymous with 'Prison Bars...'

 

[DaKids]

Even an old buzzard like me knows that neither the kid or the family would give a brass razoo who barracked for who.

Maybe back in the old days when SANFL clubs were your community. These kids are dealing in the millions of dollars now, it’s business.

 

[Sanders]

Funny, his step Dad did not leave Port on good terms, but his step Dad is synonymous with 'Prison Bars...'

Now now

 

[Crows I Am]

His step dad did not leave under good terms with Port, and he himself followed Freo due to his step dads connection with them

Yes that is a good point. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[Skippos]

Himmelburg/McAdam is very close - though I'm not sure Himmelburg adds much.

If Coz is worth a pick 18 to 22, McAdam is probably worth a pick 28 to 32. It's not a massive gap to fill.

I reckon we're either underrating the opposition player or overrating our own. Himmelberg is uncontracted and extraordinarily mediocre. McAdam is serviceable, but 'value' doesn't operate from zero, it operates from how much better a player is than what you can replace them with for free. There are players available on the fringes of other clubs and in state leagues who aren't significantly worse than McAdam. Whereas, especially in a league with a high quality KPD shortage, Cox is significantly better than a replacement.

Let's not beat around the bush with Cox. Ignore where blokes are drafted. He's better than Rankine. He's accomplished much more, that's for sure. He's 23 (nearly 24), finally getting the durability sorted, contested defensive loss rate of 23% (Butts is at 30%), and offers a lot more on the offense & rebound space as well as being defensively sound; rarely beaten. Steven May at age 27 went for pick 5 on the trade table - and that deal ended up good for Melbourne. Cox with 3 more years at his peak ahead of him (at an admittedly likely lower level - but Cox is still AA 40 quality) is probably worth a top 8-10 pick on value, I reckon.

 

[Cap]

 

[FR0GGY]

(Not blaming you) didn’t you post another tweet saying we’d signed at the other place.

 

[Cap]

(Not blaming you) didn’t you post another tweet saying we’d signed at the other place.

Yep. I'm not making them up though just passing them on.

As confused as anyone now

 

[Mutineer]

I reckon we're either underrating the opposition player or overrating our own. Himmelberg is uncontracted and extraordinarily mediocre. McAdam is serviceable, but 'value' doesn't operate from zero, it operates from how much better a player is than what you can replace them with for free. There are players available on the fringes of other clubs and in state leagues who aren't significantly worse than McAdam. Whereas, especially in a league with a high quality KPD shortage, Cox is significantly better than a replacement.

Let's not beat around the bush with Cox. Ignore where blokes are drafted. He's better than Rankine. He's accomplished much more, that's for sure. He's 23 (nearly 24), finally getting the durability sorted, contested defensive loss rate of 23% (Butts is at 30%), and offers a lot more on the offense & rebound space as well as being defensively sound; rarely beaten. Steven May at age 27 went for pick 5 on the trade table - and that deal ended up good for Melbourne. Cox with 3 more years at his peak ahead of him (at an admittedly likely lower level - but Cox is still AA 40 quality) is probably worth a top 8-10 pick on value, I reckon.

Interested in these players on the fringes of other clubs and in state Leagues you reckon aren't significantly worse than McAdam?

I'm struggling to think of a player let alone players plural that have Shane's skillset and bag of tricks for the role he plays for us?

The only problem with Shane is maintaining his fitness to play at the level without getting injuries/niggles which seems to be trending positively since the advent of Darren Burgess.

 

[Danger Zone]

I can see the rationale of people talking about trading McAdam. He's 27, no major accolades yet and has some value. But I wouldn't be trading him.

Rankine, McAdam and Rachele gives us a genuinely exciting forward line and an actual point of difference. These guys, rather than Rowe, Murphy and McHenry, bring people to the game. And most importantly, every team would struggle to cover them all. Rachele or McAdam on the third best small defender will have a field day.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I can see the rational of people talking about trading McAdam. He's 27, no major accolades yet and has some value. But I wouldn't be trading him.

Rankine, McAdam and Rachele gives us a genuinely exciting forward line and an actual point of difference. These guys, rather than Rowe, Murphy and McHenry, bring people to the game. And most importantly, every team would struggle to cover them all. Rachele or McAdam on the third best small defender will have a field day.

Yep, three different types of smaller forwards. McAdam an aerial threat, Rankine a crumber, and Rachele a hybrid of both. I wouldn’t be trading McAdam

That said, I’m a bit worried about the lack of defensive pressure, 7th forward would have to be a pressure specialist

 

[jackster83]

I can see the rational of people talking about trading McAdam. He's 27, no major accolades yet and has some value. But I wouldn't be trading him.

Rankine, McAdam and Rachele gives us a genuinely exciting forward line and an actual point of difference. These guys, rather than Rowe, Murphy and McHenry, bring people to the game. And most importantly, every team would struggle to cover them all. Rachele or McAdam on the third best small defender will have a field day.

I don't think people are saying we should trade McAdam. Merely he is the sort of player you would need to look at trading (along with draft picks) to bring in an A grader.

 

[GROTTO]

Yep, three different types of smaller forwards. McAdam an aerial threat, Rankine a crumber, and Rachele a hybrid of both. I wouldn’t be trading McAdam

That said, I’m a bit worried about the lack of defensive pressure, 7th forward would have to be a pressure specialist

McHenry

 

[Gets!]

We need to bring JHF home, not just for the footy but for humanitarian reasons at this point!

North Melbourne clearly have put ZERO support around him.

#freeJHF

 

[Captain Morgan]

We need to bring JHF home, not just for the footy but for humanitarian reasons at this point!

North Melbourne clearly have put ZERO support around him.

#freeJHF

I feel like invoking the vic media vomit when danger was going to leave - oh north should just let him go, unfair to ask for too much in a trade.

Hmm. Hang on. This time we can tell them that ‘our first round pick is reserved for the gold coast’… there, that should do it…

 

[Mego Red]

I reckon we're either underrating the opposition player or overrating our own. Himmelberg is uncontracted and extraordinarily mediocre. McAdam is serviceable, but 'value' doesn't operate from zero, it operates from how much better a player is than what you can replace them with for free. There are players available on the fringes of other clubs and in state leagues who aren't significantly worse than McAdam. Whereas, especially in a league with a high quality KPD shortage, Cox is significantly better than a replacement.

Let's not beat around the bush with Cox. Ignore where blokes are drafted. He's better than Rankine. He's accomplished much more, that's for sure. He's 23 (nearly 24), finally getting the durability sorted, contested defensive loss rate of 23% (Butts is at 30%), and offers a lot more on the offense & rebound space as well as being defensively sound; rarely beaten. Steven May at age 27 went for pick 5 on the trade table - and that deal ended up good for Melbourne. Cox with 3 more years at his peak ahead of him (at an admittedly likely lower level - but Cox is still AA 40 quality) is probably worth a top 8-10 pick on value, I reckon.

I just don't think clubs trade top picks like that for key defenders. There's seems to really be few examples - is Melbourne's current defence the only example?

Personally, I feel it's much easier to find a key defender. You can grab a lower league player like Sam Collins or a failed forward like Liam Jones, and end up with something perfectly serviceable.

The difference you presented between Cox and Butts was maybe one contest a week.

Forwards who can WIN you games? They seem fewer on the ground.

 

[Carmo]

I reckon we're either underrating the opposition player or overrating our own. Himmelberg is uncontracted and extraordinarily mediocre. McAdam is serviceable, but 'value' doesn't operate from zero, it operates from how much better a player is than what you can replace them with for free. There are players available on the fringes of other clubs and in state leagues who aren't significantly worse than McAdam. Whereas, especially in a league with a high quality KPD shortage, Cox is significantly better than a replacement.

Let's not beat around the bush with Cox. Ignore where blokes are drafted. He's better than Rankine. He's accomplished much more, that's for sure. He's 23 (nearly 24), finally getting the durability sorted, contested defensive loss rate of 23% (Butts is at 30%), and offers a lot more on the offense & rebound space as well as being defensively sound; rarely beaten. Steven May at age 27 went for pick 5 on the trade table - and that deal ended up good for Melbourne. Cox with 3 more years at his peak ahead of him (at an admittedly likely lower level - but Cox is still AA 40 quality) is probably worth a top 8-10 pick on value, I reckon.

What is Jordan Dawson valued at under this system?

 

[LeftyLuke]

Yep, three different types of smaller forwards. McAdam an aerial threat, Rankine a crumber, and Rachele a hybrid of both. I wouldn’t be trading McAdam

That said, I’m a bit worried about the lack of defensive pressure, 7th forward would have to be a pressure specialist

The more goals we get the more pressure we put the opposition under.

 

[ABAB]

I can see the rationale of people talking about trading McAdam. He's 27, no major accolades yet and has some value. But I wouldn't be trading him.

Rankine, McAdam and Rachele gives us a genuinely exciting forward line and an actual point of difference. These guys, rather than Rowe, Murphy and McHenry, bring people to the game. And most importantly, every team would struggle to cover them all. Rachele or McAdam on the third best small defender will have a field day.

What about Rankine, Gollant and Rachele.