List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[Nuggo]

I think it will end up as 21, 25 and Future 1st for Dunkley, 30 and 39.

I think the stalemate could be over us including pick 25.

Both clubs can 'sell' the additional exchange of draft picks.

We throw in 25 and receive a points upgrade in getting 30 and 39.

Dogs move up from 30 and 39 in the draft to 21 and 25 which will allow them to get Lobb and take a live, high 2nd round pick into the draft.

There could also be an exchange of future 2nd, 3rd or 4th round picks to get the Dogs over the line, if they assume that we will finish higher than them next year.

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It is certainly possible. Though I think we would like to keep pick 25

 

[davemc_lions]

It is certainly possible. Though I think we would like to keep pick 25

not sure we can have a pick that low with Ashcroft and Fletcher anyway
most of out picks are just points to match you assume

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Dons werent offering what hes worth then so we kept him. We have options if Lions go down a similar route

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[Nuggo]

not sure we can have a pick that low with Ashcroft and Fletcher anyway
most of out picks are just points to match you assume

Correct, suggestion was more for points rather using for actual pick.

 

[davemc_lions]

Correct, suggestion was more for points rather using for actual pick.

problem be on the night if Fletcher top 20 we cannot use 21 or 25 to swap for picks on the night they be gone.

Having every picks 35-45 be the same and using for points might be what we end up with

 

[AB09]

It is certainly possible. Though I think we would like to keep pick 25

Don't think we'll be using 25 to bid on Ashcroft. It won't go to the draft.

I suspect it will either be used in the Dunkley trade, if not we will split it to get a pick to use in the Gunston trade

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[beatnik]

Looks like your coach.

Walks like him too

 

[pulpdriver]

Don't think we'll be using 25 to bid on Ashcroft. It won't go to the draft.

I suspect it will either be used in the Dunkley trade, if not we will split it to get a pick to use in the Gunston trade

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Wouldn't surprise me if 25 is already committed to the Dogs and the keeping quiet "out of respect" part Daly mentioned is allowing the Dogs to try and get the Lobb trade done without it, though Freo already knows or suspects they'll have a pick in the 20s from us and is demanding it from the Dogs.

 

[davemc_lions]

so I agree with others 21,25 and future first for Dunkley and 30-39.. maybe 36 as well or swaps somewhere.

 

[AB09]

problem be on the night if Fletcher top 20 we cannot use 21 or 25 to swap for picks on the night they be gone.

Having every picks 35-45 be the same and using for points might be what we end up with

We won't have enough list spots to be able to take picks to the draft that cover both Ashcroft and Fletcher bids.

I've always thought we go into the draft with 5 picks (and free senior list spots) to bid on Ashcroft.

After the Ashcroft bid, we then do a live trade of our Future 2nd for 2 lower picks in the draft to match the Fletcher bid.

That will leave us with one remaining low pick which will be our mandatory 3rd draft pick we are required to use.

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[Johnny Bananas]

We won't have enough list spots to be able to take picks to the draft that cover both Ashcroft and Fletcher bids.

I've always thought we go into the draft with 5 picks (and free senior list spots) to bid on Ashcroft.

After the Ashcroft bid, we then do a live trade of our Future 2nd for 2 lower picks in the draft to match the Fletcher bid.

That will leave us with one remaining low pick which will be our mandatory 3rd draft pick we are required to use.

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But will we still have our future first at that point? If we don't, I don't think we're able to trade our future 2nd.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think that's an option if Dogs insist on 2 first round picks and it gets the deal done.

We could potentially do a pick swap with GWS picks 18 and 44 for our 21 and 36.

We would have a minor 30 point loss but those 2 picks would allow us to compete 2 trades.

It would give the Dogs their 2 first rounders and would then allow us to use 44 as part of the Gunston trade.


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We got pick 21 from GWS. I don't think we're allowed to trade it back to them.

 

[Nuggo]

problem be on the night if Fletcher top 20 we cannot use 21 or 25 to swap for picks on the night they be gone.

Having every picks 35-45 be the same and using for points might be what we end up with

You can trade draft picks right up to and in the draft so there is still heaps of time to turn 25 into more points if we keep it out of the Dunkley trade. But it does feel it will be part of the trade in some shape or form.

 

[haystark]

 

[AB09]

Cats now have 38,48,55,58 1144 points
Do we try to move on 25 for a few for points
They could use 25 for Henry

Depends if we need 25 for the Dunkley trade.

We wouldn't do 25 for 38 and 48 as it's only a very minimal points gain.



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[JasRulz63]

While we may benefit from this, there is one club in particular that would be keen to see this be the case...

Unless the AFL conveniently decides to grant them an exemption, cause Geelong...

 

[Full Wingspan]

The official rule, per a copy of the AFL Rules I've got:

9.3 Limits on Exchange
(a) A Club may only exchange a National Draft Selection or Selections to which it is
entitled at either of the current year’s National Draft Selection Meeting or the
following year’s National Draft Selection Meeting.
(b) The General Counsel may make a Determination for the Trading of Future Draft
Selections which sets out conditions under which Clubs may exchange National
Draft Selections from future National Draft Selection Meetings.
(c) A Club’s right to trade any National Draft Selections as specified in Rule 9.3(a)
is subject to any conditions specified in the Determination for the Trading of
Future Draft Selections which must be complied with at all times.

Re: 9.3b, a Determination for the Trading of Future Draft Selections document was circulated that contains the known restrictions but not to the public. Future trading given go-ahead but with restrictions has the relevant extract though:

- Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks.

- If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds.

The "determinations" referred in these rules are the key documents I would think. I don't believe they're publicly available.

I imagine that's where the finer details of these rules and mechanisms are outlined.

 

[AB09]

But will we still have our future first at that point? If we don't, I don't think we're able to trade our future 2nd.

Future first gone with Dunkley trade.

I thought because we have already traded in a future 2nd rounder this trade period in the GWS pick swap (which has since been traded out to Gold Coast) that we are now free to trade both our Future 1st and Future 2nd.

I could be wrong, but I thought the rule was you can't trade out a Future 1st and Future 2nd from the same draft UNLESS you get a future pick from the same round back in.

I was thinking that was the main reason behind the GWS deal including their future 2nd, to open up both our Future first and second rounders this year.

I may be wrong on that and there are others on here more across the draft rules than I am.

If that's not the case, then we'll have to do other pick swaps to get access to another future to use in the Fletcher bid.

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[irel]

Just taking my two grandchildren to primary school and overheard two kids in the school yard arguing.

Dom says to Sam. I want your neglected Tonka Truck. He’s been trying to drive off your bogged sand pit for a while.

Sam - I like my Tonka Truck, but what are you gonna give me for it?

Dom - Well, I’ll give you this brand new Matchbox Porsche and a slightly used Matchi Toyota Hilux, but can you throw in your two Matchi Trabants cause I need them to on-trade for some glossy new model Matchi Toyotas.

Sam - If you don’t give me two Matchi Porsches I’ll throw my Tonka Truck in the river, so you’ll never have it.

Dom - oh OK you win.

 

[mpal6]

You can trade draft picks right up to and in the draft so there is still heaps of time to turn 25 into more points if we keep it out of the Dunkley trade. But it does feel it will be part of the trade in some shape or form.

Problem could be other clubs are under pressure right now and we can get more for it. When dust settles and it's just a pick for pick trade, I don't like our chances of getting something big there.

 

[AB09]

We got pick 21 from GWS. I don't think we're allowed to trade it back to them.

I think you're right. Wouldn't work then.

Maybe GWS would do 19 and 44 for 25 and 34.

The intent was to get the Dogs a second first round pick i.e. 18.

Was just highlighting that we do have options if the Dogs play hard ball.

We can include pick 25 along with 21 and F1 or we could look at splitting 21 to get a higher pick for them.

There is also the option of swapping of future picks.

In any case, a key part of the trade will be getting their picks 30 and 39 back to bid on Ashcroft. I think adding pick 25 would get that done, but I'm not the Dogs.

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[Flea_29]

Problem could be other clubs are under pressure right now and we can get more for it. When dust settles and it's just a pick for pick trade, I don't like our chances of getting something big there.

100%

Our current picks, especially 21, 25, 34 - 36 are more valuable now with so much playing around us than if we take this to draft night.

I can see 21 moving from us to WB ->FREM ->MELB and finishing up at Collingwood.

The key is we need as close to 3000 points as possible, if not slightly more.
If GWS get pick 1, which is highly likely now, I doubt very much they will bid on Ashcroft.
Currently with the picks we have, we have 3403 points
if picks 21 and 25 are traded in the Dunkley trade and we get back 30 and 39, then we will have 2844 points.

 

[Full Wingspan]

It doesn’t work that way.

Can you provide something in writing that suggests it doesn't?

All I can I find is that a points deficit will apply to a club's corresponding future round selection depending on the round that their bid-match occurred i.e. if you enter into a deficit to match a first-round bid, you're corresponding first round pick in the next draft would be impacted.

I've seen nothing to suggest that the deficit is applied to a club's next available pick in the next year's draft in circumstances where they've traded the relevant future pick affected by the deficit i.e. the deficit still applies to the club's corresponding future first round pick irrespective if it has been traded to another club.

 

[McIvor]

The issue appears to be the late second rounders back your way. We seem to want to keep them.
I think the deal will get done but only if you drop the 30 and 39 demand and or send someone we want our way (hint - defender).

Some respondents have suggested your light on KPD's, so perhaps sending your F2 as well as F1 and 21?

I guess it must be a shame that no Lions want to go to your club, let alone "someone you want".

As others have said, players are real people, not pawns in some game to placate fans of clubs.

 

[briztoon]

Do you have access to these rules? Trying to get my hands on some comprehensive material but it seems limited to AFL articles.

It’s the AFL. Good luck. Almost everything I’ve picked up, is from reading articles from Twomey, every time the AFL make a rule change to do with the draft and trading.