List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[CarterS]

Need to re-sign Hipwood!

 

[Quested]

Need to re-sign Hipwood!

He's already contracted until the end of next year.

 

[Dalions]

Dunkley's defence could be missing piece of Lions' midfield puzzle

 

[Nathan Barley]

Great trade period to pick up dunkley and some points. Should allow us to hold our spot in that 3rd to 6th range.

Helped by GC and GWS having complimentary trading goals and Geelong trading overs for everything this year

Not fussed on Gunston. Could potentially help us take the next step in case everything goes right for us and a couple of other teams fall over and we get in a position to win a premiership

Still disappointed we didn't go the mini reset and are doubling down on what hasn't worked. The finals were a positive but the Richmond game involves a lot of luck, the Melbourne win required Berry going beastmode and playing out of his skin and the Geelong game highlighted our teams fragility

 

[Quigley]

Great trade period to pick up dunkley and some points. Should allow us to hold our spot in that 3rd to 6th range.

Helped by GC and GWS having complimentary trading goals and Geelong trading overs for everything this year

Not fussed on Gunston. Could potentially help us take the next step in case everything goes right for us and a couple of other teams fall over and we get in a position to win a premiership

Still disappointed we didn't go the mini reset and are doubling down on what hasn't worked. The finals were a positive but the Richmond game involves a lot of luck, the Melbourne win required Berry going beastmode and playing out of his skin and the Geelong game highlighted our teams fragility

I don't think we needed a massive reset in our players. I see it more game style changes to develop more width when we go forward and a quicker adjustment and better run defensively when the opponents get the ball. I think we have the cattle now to provide more run which was one of the big deficiencies the last few years. Now we just need to extract the effort.

We just need to work on things like McCluggage not cheating so much when the ball is in dispute. He is one of our top runners but his defensive run is poor. Time to get the use out of the assets we have.

 

[briztoon]

Is Frederick available or going to be ?

He's like grease lightning.

If there was any hope of bringing him in I'm all in.

Are you thinking of his Brother at Fremantle, who has shown considerably more than the Frederick delisted by Port.

Edit: yep, you’re on to it.

 

[Sproj]

Great trade period to pick up dunkley and some points. Should allow us to hold our spot in that 3rd to 6th range.

Helped by GC and GWS having complimentary trading goals and Geelong trading overs for everything this year

Not fussed on Gunston. Could potentially help us take the next step in case everything goes right for us and a couple of other teams fall over and we get in a position to win a premiership

Still disappointed we didn't go the mini reset and are doubling down on what hasn't worked. The finals were a positive but the Richmond game involves a lot of luck, the Melbourne win required Berry going beastmode and playing out of his skin and the Geelong game highlighted our teams fragility

I think we still can though go with a bit of a mini-reset and I think we kind of already did in the finals. I think we had two problems against Geelong:
1. By the end of the year they were better than anyone by some margin and I even factor in the close win in the first final against Collingwood because we know Geelong's struggles with getting going again after a bye with such old legs
2. We ran out of puff understandably and with Richmond then Melbourne, we had two really tough games with no break and it showed against a strong, fresh and well drilled eventual premier, i reckon even if by some miracle we had won, we would have been slaughtered by Sydney in the GF but that is pure conjecture on my part

We now have games into the next gen in Prior, Wilmott and Robertson and even Tunstill, so we are giving them opportunities. We will no doubt rest and rotate the likes of Rich, Lyons, Zorko, Gunston and Adams next year, meaning we will continue to get games into these guys. We also know that Lachie needs help and have given him that. I think it doesn't even matter if we win the contest in the middle so long as we can slow opposition teams down through there, it allows our defense to be better prepared and when they are set up, we know they are a decent defensive unit.

I feel like the club saw the need to fix our midfield as that is where our problems are really most glaring and with Dunkley and Ashcroft plus games into Robertson and Rayner, we have gone a long way to addressing it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think we still can though go with a bit of a mini-reset and I think we kind of already did in the finals. I think we had two problems against Geelong:
1. By the end of the year they were better than anyone by some margin and I even factor in the close win in the first final against Collingwood because we know Geelong's struggles with getting going again after a bye with such old legs
2. We ran out of puff understandably and with Richmond then Melbourne, we had two really tough games with no break and it showed against a strong, fresh and well drilled eventual premier, i reckon even if by some miracle we had won, we would have been slaughtered by Sydney in the GF but that is pure conjecture on my part

We now have games into the next gen in Prior, Wilmott and Robertson and even Tunstill, so we are giving them opportunities. We will no doubt rest and rotate the likes of Rich, Lyons, Zorko, Gunston and Adams next year, meaning we will continue to get games into these guys. We also know that Lachie needs help and have given him that. I think it doesn't even matter if we win the contest in the middle so long as we can slow opposition teams down through there, it allows our defense to be better prepared and when they are set up, we know they are a decent defensive unit.

I feel like the club saw the need to fix our midfield as that is where our problems are really most glaring and with Dunkley and Ashcroft plus games into Robertson and Rayner, we have gone a long way to addressing it.

I think there most definitely is doubt around us resting the older guys. If they didn't this year I can't see them doing it next year

I also don't think we've fixed our midfield. We've got it to the standard of a finals team but it's far from a strength. We also have to contend with teams like Freo, Collingwood, Richmond, Melbourne and possibly others like Port who have improved their midfields

I would have bitten the bullet and gone harder. Rich was great in 2021 but we've found better replacements in Kiddy and Wilmot, Lyons was also was going to hit the wall hard with his lack of athleticism and Zorko this year was clearly cooked and his body isn't holding up. Similar to Rich he also has strong competition in that part time midfielder role in Bailey and Rayner

 

[Mighty Lions]

I don't think we needed a massive reset in our players. I see it more game style changes to develop more width when we go forward and a quicker adjustment and better run defensively when the opponents get the ball. I think we have the cattle now to provide more run which was one of the big deficiencies the last few years. Now we just need to extract the effort.

We just need to work on things like McCluggage not cheating so much when the ball is in dispute. He is one of our top runners but his defensive run is poor. Time to get the use out of the assets we have.

Same goes for Bailey. His effort (same as Hughies) to move into the forward line to kick a goal is elite but moving down in defence is almost non-existent. I know Bailey is a fan favorite but for me he is the one who has the biggest upside if we can improve his efficiencies. He is a star when kicking goals (as our fan's love seeing him do) but other sides of his game disappear which is hurting us.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Same goes for Bailey. His effort (same as Hughies) to move into the forward line to kick a goal is elite but moving down in defence is almost non-existent. I know Bailey is a fan favorite but for me he is the one who has the biggest upside if we can improve his efficiencies. He is a star when kicking goals (as our fan's love seeing him do) but other sides of his game disappear which is hurting us.

I don't think anyone would argue he's been average playing outside of the forwardline

 

[lionshine]

Is Sydney Stack the guy that punched up a chick in a parking lot or am I thinking of someone else?

No, you are thinking of Brennan Stack.

 

[Mighty Lions]

No, you are thinking of Brennan Stack.

I was thinking of Haystack Calhoon.

 

[Quigley]

Same goes for Bailey. His effort (same as Hughies) to move into the forward line to kick a goal is elite but moving down in defence is almost non-existent. I know Bailey is a fan favorite but for me he is the one who has the biggest upside if we can improve his efficiencies. He is a star when kicking goals (as our fan's love seeing him do) but other sides of his game disappear which is hurting us.

Bailey was actually a very good defensive runner when he was first brought into the team but when he has moved to a more forward focused role the defensive running has dropped off. For me he has shown he can do it and is actually good when he does so no reason why he can't get back to that.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Bailey was actually a very good defensive runner when he was first brought into the team but when he has moved to a more forward focused role the defensive running has dropped off. For me he has shown he can do it and is actually good when he does so no reason why he can't get back to that.

Bailey has been asked to do it several times without success.

 

[Sproj]

I think there most definitely is doubt around us resting the older guys. If they didn't this year I can't see them doing it next year

I also don't think we've fixed our midfield. We've got it to the standard of a finals team but it's far from a strength. We also have to contend with teams like Freo, Collingwood, Richmond, Melbourne and possibly others like Port who have improved their midfields

I would have bitten the bullet and gone harder. Rich was great in 2021 but we've found better replacements in Kiddy and Wilmot, Lyons was also was going to hit the wall hard with his lack of athleticism and Zorko this year was clearly cooked and his body isn't holding up. Similar to Rich he also has strong competition in that part time midfielder role in Bailey and Rayner

I get what you are saying and it’s a fair point but that said, this is really the point of depth. What happens if the young guys end up either being found out or inconsistent as is often the case with second or third year players? There is no point getting rid of a Rich or Lyons who are contracted anyway. Hopefully they come good on the back of an uninterrupted preseason, if not at least they can help mentor the young ‘uns. I also think with Wilmott and Robertson in the finals showed the coaches can make the big calls if needed.

 

[lioninthesand]

Great trade period to pick up dunkley and some points. Should allow us to hold our spot in that 3rd to 6th range.

Helped by GC and GWS having complimentary trading goals and Geelong trading overs for everything this year

Not fussed on Gunston. Could potentially help us take the next step in case everything goes right for us and a couple of other teams fall over and we get in a position to win a premiership

Still disappointed we didn't go the mini reset and are doubling down on what hasn't worked. The finals were a positive but the Richmond game involves a lot of luck, the Melbourne win required Berry going beastmode and playing out of his skin and the Geelong game highlighted our teams fragility

Like the post. I think our progression can come from team defence with the same group, I don’t think it’s mini reset time just yet. Last year Fagan said our philosophy was ‘we are in the entertainment business and we are here to score and excite the fans’… I think that resonated far too deeply and a previously decent defensive team, collectively devalued the defensive aspects.

Daly flagged ‘team defence’ as our team focus over the summer. I believe we averaged over 80 points againts VS Cats 63. You can’t win flags being a poor defensive side.

If we could get our average points againts under 70, which I think is very possible, that would go a long way to winning a premiership.

Clugg, Lyons, Neale, Rayner, matho and Bailey are are poor defensively (Matho and lyons tackle but no spread) and arnt good defensive runners.



Berry, Dev and Dunkley are 2 way players. If we can get an extra 15 or 20% from the others, that could go a long way to closing the gap.

Our back 6 is super capable when they get a reasonable level of protection up the ground.

 

[morsie]

I suspect we will never be as organized as Geelong but our deficiencies in my view were two way running or the lack thereof and team defence.
Melbourne in their premiership year exemplified these two traits.
If you are good at these two you allow your defence a lot of leeway to zone off and be attacking.
Melbourne dropped off in these areas and their defence struggled at time.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I think there most definitely is doubt around us resting the older guys. If they didn't this year I can't see them doing it next year

I also don't think we've fixed our midfield. We've got it to the standard of a finals team but it's far from a strength. We also have to contend with teams like Freo, Collingwood, Richmond, Melbourne and possibly others like Port who have improved their midfields

I would have bitten the bullet and gone harder. Rich was great in 2021 but we've found better replacements in Kiddy and Wilmot, Lyons was also was going to hit the wall hard with his lack of athleticism and Zorko this year was clearly cooked and his body isn't holding up. Similar to Rich he also has strong competition in that part time midfielder role in Bailey and Rayner

I sincerely think you will eat your words with Rich. I dont believe Wilmot is even close to being a replacement for Rich just yet. Rich & Zorko's experience is essential in finals next season providing both are fit. In this day and age, we tend to throw out the old and in with the new way too early. This case is no exception.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I sincerely think you will eat your words with Rich. I dont believe Wilmot is even close to being a replacement for Rich just yet. Rich & Zorko's experience is essential in finals next season providing both are fit. In this day and age, we tend to throw out the old and in with the new way too early. This case is no exception.

I meant more based on potential than just now

And their experience hasn't been much help in finals the last 4 years can't see how that's going to change.

Take the hit in 2023 and load up again in 24 and 25 while Neale, Andrews, Daniher, Charlie, etc. Are still playing decent footy

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

There was a rumour around this year that he was looking to follow his younger brother back into cricket. However, he moved into defence in the second half of the year and was a bit of a revelation as an intercepting 3rd tall. The fact he's still on the list is suggestive to me that he might earn another year, albeit on the rookie list, to see if he keeps developing.

In the last half dozen matches when he played as the intercept defensive player he was very good.
He had a bad run of injuries for 3 years and was thrown into every position forward and mid without really starting.
Maybe the Lions are just waiting to see how Adams pulls up as without him the tallish back stocks that can mark are limited. I think he is good enough for AFL but needed continuity and confidence in himself. I hope he doesn’t get delisted and gets a contract extension.

 

[blueiris]

I meant more based on potential than just now

And their experience hasn't been much help in finals the last 4 years can't see how that's going to change.

Take the hit in 2023 and load up again in 24 and 25 while Neale, Andrews, Daniher, Charlie, etc. Are still playing decent footy

We didn’t bring in Gunners not to have a crack in 23 it most likely will be Rich and Zorko last season we’ll be trying our hardest to get them that elusive Premiership

 

[Nathan Barley]

We didn’t bring in Gunners not to have a crack in 23 it most likely will be Rich and Zorko last season we’ll be trying our hardest to get them that elusive Premiership

I know. I'm saying we shouldn't

 

[mattsmob]

I know. I'm saying we shouldn't

It's pretty rare and difficult to get into the position we're in, don't think it'd be a good idea to 'take a hit' in any season we have a chance to be top 4 and win a flag. If anyone is unfit they shouldn't play, if anyone is letting the team down due to form they also shouldn't play. I'm also not sure where the idea of Rich missing out for Coleman and Wilmot comes from, all 3 played during the finals so it's not like there's room for 2 but not 3 of them, the question for Wilmot is can he beat out Answerth and I think he showed that he can. In my mind the only senior players that could be directly 'taking' a spot away from a young guy with potential is Lyons over Dev/Ashcroft, Gardiner over Payne and potentially Linc/Zorko over Lohmann.

 

[Saucery]

I meant more based on potential than just now

And their experience hasn't been much help in finals the last 4 years can't see how that's going to change.

Take the hit in 2023 and load up again in 24 and 25 while Neale, Andrews, Daniher, Charlie, etc. Are still playing decent footy

I'm in this boat sadly, Rich especially has been worked out.

His run-receives have dried up as teams are well onto that lurk now.

He's a few paces slower and a few metres less penetrating than in years gone by (though still a laser beam kick).

And his team defence, where we struggle most, is pretty porous.

There have been many times over his career when he was almost driven into irrelevancy.

Especially in the middle when he was tagged into oblivion.

I do hope he can reinvent himself again, but I also acknowledge he needs to.

 

[Section 5]

Looks like a little change from previous years
.......

Delisted players cannot immediately be re-contracted by their clubs on rookie contracts as has happened previously and must instead go through the NAB AFL Rookie Draft on November 30 to achieve this.

When does the delisted free agency period start?

The likes of Jed Anderson, Martin Frederick and Quinton Narkle have two windows to find new clubs as free agents

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