List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[SaintsSeptember]

Yuck, he's been B grade since he signed his massive contract and too similar to Marshall. I'd rather Lobb and I rate Lobb pretty low. Neither are exceptional at ruck/ tap work, both great as an extra mid type and good marking around the ground, neither are very good resting forward. To me a ruck/forward as a chop out would be much more beneficial. We could probably make do with Hayes for a year and don't need to panic buy. Campbell and Heath are emergency break glass options anyway.

I want off this roller coaster.
We got Paddy, now we're replacing Paddy.
So we get Grundy, then we need to replace Grundy.
29 next year, we soon need to replace Grundy.
Then Marshall will be pushing 30 so we need to replace Marshall.

Lets get something the right demographic.

 

[Joffaboy]

It's huge for them. If nothing else it's. statement of intent. Even Blight at St Kilda got us players, members and attention. We all of a sudden looked serious. When it didn't work out the admin were stung into action under pressure too. Even if it fails to move them forward massively it's huge for them. Probably keeps their want aways and pulls in guys who never would have considered them.

Players already there will want to prove themselves and those that don't will be cut without emotion. I'm jealous to be honest. It really shows that they intend to move forward with a bit of momentum. We are in a safety first mode, scared to go straight up the centre, preferring to chip it around inside the defensive 50 until we turn it over.

Our board didn't want to chase Clarko preferring to have a spread of staff. We are like a drunk in the park laughing at those posh campaigners who spend $100 on a bottle of wine when we bought 8 casks of fruity lexia for the same money.

Didn't our board ask why we didn't chase Clarko?

 

[pluggeranddoc]

So what? Steven had mental health issues and we could see he was finished in his last season at Geelong. He requested a trade to Geelong, they didn't chase him and we traded on compassionate grounds.

Hill has no such issues and we have not indicated we want to trade him.

What was the point of your post?

The point of my post is that even if a deal is done to shed Hill part of his salary will still be our problem!

 

[gringo2011]

Didn't our board ask why we didn't chase Clarko?

No idea what they've asked. Or we have realised that like Ratts turning down Lloyd that the optics are a bit ugly so said they discussed it?

 

[BrutThough]

No, no, no, now we are meant to celebrate them getting anything we can back for him.

Technically he was a bargain. Pick 10, Acres, pick 58 and a future second and fourth round pick.....but today we celebrate that Clarko may want him back and we can lose him and pay half his salary for the next few years or get him off the books cheap. Keep up.

I don't think anyone has called the Hill trade a bargain.

Some are just willing to acknowledge we used our original pick 6 to bring in multiple players, not just Hill.

 

[Joffaboy]

No idea what they've asked. Or we have realised that like Ratts turning down Lloyd that the optics are a bit ugly so said they discussed it?

Think I it was on FC. Caro said the board asked why we didn't even enquire about Clarko, one of the many reasons although not a major one, I would think, they are conducting a review.

 

[Joffaboy]

The point of my post is that even if a deal is done to shed Hill part of his salary will still be our problem!

Why? Contracted for 2 years. We don't have to do squat.
We can deal of course. Example Norf PP @ around 20 and we pick up 200k. That frees up 1.4 mill.
If they want to say trade a second, they take the full 900k.
We have no SC issues, we haven't indicated we want to trade him and all the trade talk is coming from Norf.
In this particular case we hold the whip hand.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If we are to trade Hill , its at his and Clarkson's instigation.
We don't pay their player for them.
We don't trade him for nothing.
We have the right to say no.
We have the right to say, "show me the draft picks".
Why on earth would we remotely consider paying his salary? He can play for us if he wants us to pay his salary.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't think anyone has called the Hill trade a bargain.

Some are just willing to acknowledge we used our original pick 6 to bring in multiple players, not just Hill.

We used pick 10 and a second rounder and Acres to bring in Hill.

We downgraded pick 6 to pick 10 to bring in Howard and Ryder. ( in a roundabout way ).

 

[Plus One]

Think I it was on FC. Caro said the board asked why we didn't even enquire about Clarko, one of the many reasons although not a major one, I would think, they are conducting a review.

Should've held off on the Ratten extension and gone after Ross. Still a Saints man by his own admission and from what I saw on FC still wants to coach.

 

[St Kilda Death]

I don't think anyone has called the Hill trade a bargain.

Some are just willing to acknowledge we used our original pick 6 to bring in multiple players, not just Hill.

In isolation acres and 10 for hill looks horrible, as the role of wingmen evolved to a less skilled more physical one.
Just bad timing.

But the overall trade period was a net gain.
Started with pick 6, Acres and Bruce.

Came out with Howard, butler, jones.
+3 years of paddy Ryder.
+3 years of hill and will get some change back from north.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

He'd cost more than Hill gets us and we'd wonder why he turned back to s**t when he got to us again. We need guys who win ball because we aren't very good at using runners on the outside.

I'm only joking. He's 27 and played half a season of good football in his career. The bloke is a perennial dick tease.

 

[Joffaboy]

If we are to trade Hill , its at his and Clarkson's instigation.
We don't pay their player for them.
We don't trade him for nothing.
We have the right to say no.
We have the right to say, "show me the draft picks".
Why on earth would we remotely consider paying his salary? He can play for us if he wants us to pay his salary.

Yeah true. My scenario is just an example. Say they split no.1 and have picks 7 and 12 ( this is just an example, have no idea how this happens)
Would we pay 200k for pick 12? We then have 9, 12 and 1.4 mill back in the cap.

Personally would take that deal. Norf have pick 7, Hill, and pick 20.
Sounds ok for both.

 

[Rors]

So when Nas W-M requests a trade back to Sth Aus in the next month, what are we asking for in return?

Personally, I’d like Kane Farrell

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& a pick (if Port). Would allow us to roll Farrell off half back & pinch-hit with Sincs in the guts more often. Would love Farrell’s long precision kicking in our team

 

[Joffaboy]

In isolation acres and 10 for hill looks horrible, as the role of wingmen evolved to a less skilled more physical one.
Just bad timing.

But the overall trade period was a net gain.
Started with pick 6, Acres and Bruce.

Came out with Howard, butler, jones.
+3 years of paddy Ryder.
+3 years of hill and will get some change back from north.

Shhh can only talk of Hill's trade in isolation.

 

[BrutThough]

In isolation acres and 10 for hill looks horrible, as the role of wingmen evolved to a less skilled more physical one.
Just bad timing.

But the overall trade period was a net gain.
Started with pick 6, Acres and Bruce.

Came out with Howard, butler, jones.
+3 years of paddy Ryder.
+3 years of hill and will get some change back from north.

Exactly. Both things can be true.

We overpaid for Hill, but we get a lot out of the original draft pick and overall in that trade period.

 

[Rors]

Exactly. Both things can be true.

We overpaid for Hill, but we get a lot out of the original draft pick and overall in that trade period.

Also cannot underestimate just how much more Marshall’s ruck work has improved while working with Paddy since he’s been here. Invaluable

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Should've held off on the Ratten extension and gone after Ross. Still a Saints man by his own admission and from what I saw on FC still wants to coach.

To Ross.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Also cannot underestimate just how much more Marshall’s ruck work has improved while working with Paddy since he’s been here. Invaluable

I wonder if the soft cap would let us keep a specialist coach for a season or two, or even put him on the rookie list.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Shhh can only talk of Hill's trade in isolation.

Why not?

We could have got Ryder and Howard, and used pick 10 in the draft and kept Acres.

Would you rather Pickett or Hill right now?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So when Nas W-M requests a trade back to Sth Aus in the next month, what are we asking for in return?

Personally, I’d like Kane Farrell & a pick (if Port). Would allow us to roll Farrell off half back & pinch-hit with Sincs in the guts more often. Would love Farrell’s long precision kicking in our team

I don't know that much about Farrell, but there is no reason we should be reamed in a deal with whoever wants him.
For example , Tim Kelly when out of contract didn't get to walk for chicken feed.
Nas isn't Tim Kelly just yet, but was an early pick and has played enough footy to show that he's valuable , and if a deal came to arbitration it would be in favour of StKilda getting something decent for him.

 

[Yawkey way]

Why? Contracted for 2 years. We don't have to do squat.
We can deal of course. Example Norf PP @ around 20 and we pick up 200k. That frees up 1.4 mill.
If they want to say trade a second, they take the full 900k.
We have no SC issues, we haven't indicated we want to trade him and all the trade talk is coming from Norf.
In this particular case we hold the whip hand.

I‘d be making sure I had someone to use the cap space on before I pushed hill out.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah true. My scenario is just an example. Say they split no.1 and have picks 7 and 12 ( this is just an example, have no idea how this happens)
Would we pay 200k for pick 12? We then have 9, 12 and 1.4 mill back in the cap.

Personally would take that deal. Norf have pick 7, Hill, and pick 20.
Sounds ok for both.

It would, but only if North are tight on cap space.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I‘d be making sure I had someone to use the cap space on before I pushed hill out.

Surely there is a broken down has -been we can throw a 4 year deal at.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The year is 2020

Brad Hill's first for the St Kilda Football Club. Hill is an elite kick of the football.

Max King

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's first full year at the St Kilda Football Club having spent 2019 in rehab, at Sandy and then injured. King is the next superstar key forward. Fellow forward Tim Membrey

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Tim Membrey

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is coming off an equal career high tally of 44 goals.

The thought of Hill shooting laser like kicks across the ground and hitting King and Membrey on the chest conjures up memories for Saints fans of Winmar hitting up Lockett and Loewe in the 80s and 90s. It's a salivating thought, especially as the St Kilda team is full of ordinary field kickers.

Only minutes into the Community Series match at RSEA Park in February, Hill's first appearance in Saints colours, the ex-Docker receives the ball and spears it in to a leading Membrey. And the commentators and fans alike go crazy. This is why we went to such effort and paid so much to get him.

Sadly in the three seasons that have passed I would have been lucky to witness a handful of these 'Winmar/Lockett' moments.

Through a combination of game plan, playing position and Bradley's strangely inconsistent kicking, King, Membrey and Co. have not feasted out on Hilly's cooking.

In a way it would be sad to see his smiling face go, if that is in fact what happens. At this best he is a great player and is highly watchable.

But if he does go I will temper any disappointment by knowing he is not the player I thought we were signing up for.