List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I wonder if anyone has ever given up pick 12 for a 30 year old VFL player!

 

[Dan87]

Looking forward to the melts when it is a first

But but O'Sullivan!

 

[The King!]

Who's pick 12?

Have seen pick 5 can be worth nothing

 

[The King!]

More chance of 12 30 odd for Grundy and 16 back if you want to keep a first rounder

correct the numbers

 

[lazy77]

So it seems the best we can hope for is a mediocre old ruck in Grundy and a defender in McKay who doesn't seem any better than what we have already? We need a ruck, but Grundy keeps being dropped to the reserves wherever he plays and he's 30. Feels like we're getting another Hickey, only with a sense of entitlement. I don't see Grundy improving us by a lot. And I think defence is the least of our worries. I wouldn't be upset if McKay fell through.

I don't think Sheldrick and Roberts are quite ready to step in as top dogs, so I think a proven big bodied midfielder who can win clearances is the most pressing need, but this seems unlikely. A KPF would also be nice, but it's obvious the club have gone all in on the current trio of talls and are hoping Buller develops into something, so probably won't even consider another forward. I'm getting ready for another disappointing trade period.

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Ok well just tell Melbourne that and he is ours I guess....

Happy to take on the negotiations, May procure James Jordan as a set of steak knives as a sweetener!

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Who's pick 12?

Have seen pick 5 can be worth nothing

In recent years, it was Zac Butters and Charlie Curnow.

 

[The King!]

Happy to take on the negotiations, May procure James Jordan as a set of steak knives as a sweetener!

get that Fritch prick so he stops kicking goals against us

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Failure may be role dependent, GC used him as a rebound defender. He's an inside mid.

Absolutely but two clubs have deemed that his specific skillset couldn't cut it in their programs. Two sides with a gluttony of talent in those positions obviously but we'll see what happens.

 

[The King!]

In recent years, it was Zac Butters and Charlie Curnow.

it's also been

Josh Shinn
Tanner Bruhn
Corey Ellis
Ben Lennon

 

[Slingshot Footy]

it's also been

Josh Shinn
Tanner Bruhn
Corey Ellis
Ben Lennon

Dylan Stephens...

 

[Swans22]

Looking forward to the melts when it is a first

But but O'Sullivan!

No way we it’s a straight swap for 12. In the unlikely instance we give up our round 1 pick, Melbourne would need to throw in a later pick ie set of steak knives.

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Failure may be role dependent, GC used him as a rebound defender. He's an inside mid.

Not the worst idea, would add a mature body in reserves, worst case. No cost, free hit.

 

[bedford]

I think it will be higher than 12 our pick

 

[Dan87]

No way we it’s a straight swap for 12. In the unlikely instance we give up our round 1 pick, Melbourne would need to throw in a later pick ie set of steak knives.

Salary for picks

 

[Ticky009]

I think it will be higher than 12 our pick

Do you mean our pick getting pushed out due to academy bidding etc? Will probs end up around pick 15 once the draft shenanigans are done.

 

[tombomb]

I'm not saying that it isn't but there's no such thing as fair anyway.

Dawson being out of contract and seeking a trade to a club that finished below us on the ladder gave both of those parties leverage against us.

Heeney being paid about $900K despite not living up to his output also wasn't about fairness, it was about leverage. McKay is in the exact same boat right now with rival suitors circling him.

Melbourne having a number of desperate clubs eager for their contracted ruckman gives them leverage.

AFL players having the right to refuse a trade gives them leverage.

It's about getting the deal done and sometimes you get fleeced at the negotiation table to get it done. I don't want pay our first round pick for Grundy either, and neither do the Swans.

But I do want a premiership, however, and so do the Swans. A top quality ruckman that doesn't break the bank supports that endeavour but sometimes you do have to pay in other ways.

Let's see what happens.

We don't need to get fleeced. That is the whole point.

But at least we have reached a point of agreeing that pick 12 would be a fleecing.

Melbourne aren't going to hold Grundy against his will given all the circumstances. We don't need to even consider a deal like that.

 

[Dan87]

Draft picks are there to help you win a premiership. I know it's difficult to imagine ways to use them that achieve this besides stockpiling young men you read about but managing your salary cap and timing your window are two factors just as important imo

 

[The King!]

Draft picks are there to help you win a premiership. I know it's difficult to imagine ways to use them that achieve this besides stockpiling young men you read about but managing your salary cap and timing your window are two factors just as important imo

This!!

We don't need another young skinny kid who is years away

If not for Grundy I hope we trade our first pick either way

 

[bedford]

Do you mean our pick getting pushed out due to academy bidding etc? Will probs end up around pick 15 once the draft shenanigans are done.

Yes ,you are correct , so saying 12 means nothing at this stage . I'm hoping we go with Sweet instead of wasting our first pick

 

[the hypnotoad]

Pick 28/9 whichever one we have is fair value and represents what Melbourne paid for him.

That’s enough for an almost 30yr old big fella.

Also considering Melbourne have shafted him, they need to do the right thing.

hahahahahahahaha ... yeah, i'm sure that'll factor into the club's thinking

 

[Slingshot Footy]

We don't need to get fleeced. That is the whole point.

But at least we have reached a point of agreeing that pick 12 would be a fleecing.

Melbourne aren't going to hold Grundy against his will given all the circumstances. We don't need to even consider a deal like that.

It's really a matter of perception, our first round pick could turn into another Stephens, Zak Jones or Dean Towers. None of whom would/could influence your next premiership assault. Does a ready made ruckman at a moneyball price cost us our first round pick? In a worst case scenario, yes he does because our heir apparent until such a deal can be done is Peter f**king Ladhams.

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

Kane Cornes said the word out of Adelaide is that they have missed out on Grundy on the Sunday footy show. Multiple reports are coming out saying Sydney is his destination.

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[tombomb]

It's really a matter of perception, our first round pick could turn into another Stephens, Zak Jones or Dean Towers. None of whom would/could influence your next premiership assault. Does a ready made ruckman at a moneyball price cost us our first round pick? In a worst case scenario, yes he does because our heir apparent until such a deal can be done is Peter f**king Ladhams.

It could also turn into Patrick Cripps or Zak Butters.

But that is all beside the point.

The point is we don't have to give up a first round pick to get Grundy. We can still get him and keep our first pick.

Melbourne aren't going to hold Grundy against his will if we offer something similar to what they gave up to get him. I don't know how else to explain this.

As long as we offer something in the 25-30 range, he will be our player.

So why offer pick 12 when we don't need to?! It doesn't make any sense at all.

Connors sports control half of the good players in the league, they alone would ensure a pick in the 20s was enough to get Grundy to a team where he actually plays.

 

[Edmund hunt]

If we get McKay, Grundy and still keep our 1st I'd call that a very successful trade period.

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