List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I believe Grundy would be a great acquisition.

To me, the most likely scenario is a pick swap - say 12 for 17+Grundy+a steak knife pick.

But the Swans are shrewd - it’ll all depend on who we like in the draft & where we expect them to go.

 

[Jewelsbon]

I believe Grundy would be a great acquisition.

To me, the most likely scenario is a pick swap - say 12 for 17+Grundy+a steak knife pick.

But the Swans are shrewd - it’ll all depend on who we like in the draft & where we expect them to go.

Now, now, now, enough of this crazy logic!

 

[Wolftone]

sorry, which other forwards are we making defenders?

Healy wants to make McDonald into a defender.

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[Wolftone]

McCartin was a very promising forward before being swung back
Richards was a forward iirc
Grundy was drafted as a forward
I'd argue Campbell's best work in U18 was forward before we made him a HBF for a bit

Yes I think the Campbell one was a mistake. Why would you put a bloke who can kick 4 goals in a match at half back? Astounding. Almost as bad as having Mills rotting at HB for 4 years.

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[Ticky009]

Kane Cornes said the word out of Adelaide is that they have missed out on Grundy on the Sunday footy show. Multiple reports are coming out saying Sydney is his destination.

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IF ANYONE CAN FIND ME A CLIP OF THIS I'D BE ENTERNALLY GRATEFUL

 

[lazy77]

Our midfield isn’t really competitive against decent sides atm, particularly with Parker’s (and Mills’) seeming decline. I know most are blaming hobbled Hickey for our lack of clearances, but I think we struggle there with any ruck. An experienced in and under type should be an absolute priority. Instead we’re wooing a 30 year old ruck who can’t play forward and who’s been a fringe player at his last two clubs and a North Melbourne defender. It’s kinda ridiculous.

We ain’t challenging next year. There are big problems with our list management. Seems they can’t even identify what we need correctly

 

[Wolftone]

I think that will depend on what we think if Arnold and Edwards. My concern is that if we have too many KD, their development will be stunted due to lack of opportunity. I think that's what has happened to Owen in the ruck department.

I think Arnold will definitely be good. Edwards I am not so sure on. As for Owen, he was ordinary to poor in the matches I saw. He needs either a lot of work or an easier comp

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[the hypnotoad]

IF ANYONE CAN FIND ME A CLIP OF THIS I'D BE ENTERNALLY GRATEFUL

it's in the round so far thing ... i think that's where i saw it

 

[Bandicoot]

Constable has failed at two clubs now so it's a big no from me. I don't hate the idea of adding Brodie if not entirely for depth but also think at 25 he's given his best shots already.

Most players are just coming into their prime at 25.

 

[Ticky009]

it's in the round so far thing ... i think that's where i saw it

Really? I switched off after the Swans talk. Now I have to go through all of it? FFS

 

[the hypnotoad]

Really? I switched off after the Swans talk. Now I have to go through all of it? FFS

don't hold me to it ... at the time i was gently sipping my third sunday breakfast absinthe ... who knows what i was watching

 

[Kiama Chris]

I believe Grundy would be a great acquisition.

To me, the most likely scenario is a pick swap - say 12 for 17+Grundy+a steak knife pick.

But the Swans are shrewd - it’ll all depend on who we like in the draft & where we expect them to go.

After the academy matches 12 will most likely be 15 (1112). 17 would be nice but 15 looks more likely, going out to 18 (985). That's 127 = pick 62. Won't happen.
Pick 15 with their 34 out to 37 (483) coming back 625 = pick 31 but we may as well give them our 31 out to 34
Or we give them our 22 out to 25.
Not sure steak knife picks are any use to them unless they are chasing GC pick 4.

 

[Ticky009]

don't hold me to it ... at the time i was gently sipping my third sunday breakfast absinthe ... who knows what i was watching

Nope. Not there, all Kane says is "We think Brodie Grundy will end up at Sydney."

 

[the hypnotoad]

Nope. Not there.

that is odd ... apologies for putting you through that again ...

 

[the hypnotoad]

that is odd ... apologies for putting you through that again ...

what's even more odd is that absinthe has always been a help rather than a hindrance

 

[BloodySwan]

I wonder if anyone has ever given up pick 12 for a 30 year old VFL player!

Wayne Carey?

 

[Edmund hunt]

The Sunday footy show is a 9 network show.

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[Ticky009]

The Sunday footy show is a 9 network show.

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I've searched all their twitter clips from todays show, but it seems they chose not to put that one out. Bummer

 

[Andyjh]

Our midfield isn’t really competitive against decent sides atm, particularly with Parker’s (and Mills’) seeming decline. I know most are blaming hobbled Hickey for our lack of clearances, but I think we struggle there with any ruck. An experienced in and under type should be an absolute priority. Instead we’re wooing a 30 year old ruck who can’t play forward and who’s been a fringe player at his last two clubs and a North Melbourne defender. It’s kinda ridiculous.

We ain’t challenging next year. There are big problems with our list management. Seems they can’t even identify what we need correctly

Arent challenging?? Mate we’ll have Goulden, The Chad & Sheldrick in our mids.. Add some nice tap work from a decent ruck & our opponents will be shaking in there boots!

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Most players are just coming into their prime at 25.

Absolutely, but Brodie went backwards this year and couldn't break into the team despite O'Meara being pretty average. Obviously, the Dockers also boast Brayshaw and Serong so it's not exactly the easiest midfield to break into but I'm not convinced he would solve all our problems either. He is also contracted until 2026 so the Dockers could play hard ball if they really wanted to and I don't think he's worth the fight/draft capital required to pry him out when we have other business to focus on.

 

[Parky79]

Arent challenging?? Mate we’ll have Goulden, The Chad & Sheldrick in our mids.. Add some nice tap work from a decent ruck & our opponents will be shaking in there boots!

Agree if we are not challenging now, we never will!!

 

[Superstar swan]

Rampe isn’t far off being finished unfortunately

He cant be, just signed a 2 year extension

 

[The King!]

IF ANYONE CAN FIND ME A CLIP OF THIS I'D BE ENTERNALLY GRATEFUL

Imagine wanting a clip of Kane Cornes desperately

 

[SSwans2011]

So it seems the best we can hope for is a mediocre old ruck in Grundy and a defender in McKay who doesn't seem any better than what we have already?

If Grundy is a "mediocre" ruck we may as well forget about trying to fix our ruck issues, because then there's only about half a dozen good rucks in the competition.

 

[Membling]

why?

I'd offer pick 12 in a heartbeat personally

Few reasons:

Grundy is not in best 22 for Dees and is tak8ng up a large amount of cap. We would be doing the dees a favour purely taking his wage from their cap.

Secondly, why pay pick 12 for someone who cost pick 27 a year ago. His value has not gone up and if he choses us, it would be around dame value.