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"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."
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Do you think our interest in Will Day or Mason Redman started this year when we just realised they were uncontracted? Like, seriously mate, cmon. List managers have targets 2-3 years out and know the contract status of their key targets across the league.
Do you think they just thought 2 weeks ago ‘oh, do you reckon we should offer Petty $800k a year?’, without having kept tabs on him since he was drafted?
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Welcome intruder. Good query!
Yes Sid Draper is definitely A-Grader, and Welsh (Father-Son) is the other top priority for 2024 draft.
Assuming in 2024 Adelaide climb up the ladder and Port Adelaide slide down the ladder we're not going to have Pick1-5 options unless we get creative with ideas like you've just proposed.
If the media articles are to be believed, there's a lot of WA-bred talent in the 2023 draft, so the swap benefits you guys while you're in rebuild mode too. But it leaves us dependent on WCE having another stinker and the risk is that you improve just enough to win 7-8 of your 12 games at Optus Stadium. Freo are definitely getting worse... so lock in 2 wins against Fremantle in Derby's, and then win half your "other" home games = 5/10 and you're at 7 wins. That F1-WCE pick starts to drift.
Priority A: for me is using our 2023 picks to bring in a 21-23 year old ready to go.
If that's not possible, and if we really can't pry any players out of other clubs right now, then your pick swap might be alright.
Priority B: Adelaide's 10, 14 and F3 for your F1 & steak knives
Who knows? We'd both be speculating.
I would assume if we were serious about those two we didn't provide a successful pitch to either of them.
Either way it's a fail.
On Petty from afar it looks like we are desperate and not being strategic in who we target. A player with 2 years to go on their contract playing for a side with no forwards is unlikely to get their incumbent club to move.
I think Adelaide need to put pressure on Petty now, he can't have some kind of future promise, it needs to be now or never.
Demand a trade, because in 2 years the deal won't be on the table unless the need is still there, but we will be looking at other options and the $1m offer is for this year only.
Petty needs to tell Melbourne that he blames the club for his injury and only Burgess can be trusted to fix it, or some such.
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Demand a trade, because in 2 years the deal won't be on the table unless the need is still there, but we will be looking at other options and the $1m offer is for this year only.
Petty needs to tell Melbourne that he blames the club for his injury and only Burgess can be trusted to fix it, or some such.
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Normally yes. But this years draft I'm just not so sure...
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Anyone in the Vic State league you know of that could replace Elliot H through the supplimentry draft if we can wangle a good deal out of GWS..We are better off banking any draft collateral now as he will be gone at the end of next year and surely there is a player in the state leagues that could adequately fill his role with us for minimum chips
Anyone in the Vic State league you know of that could replace Elliot H through the supplimentry draft if we can wangle a good deal out of GWS..We are better off banking any draft collateral now as he will be gone at the end of next year and surely there is a player in the state leagues that could adequately fill his role with us for minimum chips
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Callum Coleman Jones - Sth Aus boy. About the same size/standard. Fringe Fwd/Ruck.
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ahh was he delisted as I thought he was still floating around at North?
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So we targeted 2 uncontracted players, couldn’t land them and went to contracted players with multiple years left on their contracts, I can see why you’ve gone into full sheriff mode with such a sound strategy, we were just unlucky
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Having no knowledge of the amount we offered Day..hindsight we should have offered more as whatever it was was not enough to blow Hawthorn away. He really was the one we could have thrown the kitchen sink at for what he would offer to our side..oh well, now its hoping we may be able to get Geelongs pick 8 or trade one of ours into next year for an extra 1st
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Yep, I don’t accept not landing Day, you make him an offer he can’t refuse. You sell the club and he has the benefit of being back home.
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You're correct, he's still on the list at Nth Melbourne but he's fringe. I don't think we'd need to give up much to get him.
Although, with Goldstein leaving Nth Melbourne, maybe Coleman-Jones workload is going to be higher in 2024?!
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What did I think of Bobby Hill?
I thought he was promising and he's been through some real emotional and physical battles. I'm glad to see him have success.
I don't think anyone else has done anything drastic to move the needle. Adams and Grundy are near the end; Gresham isn't a massive improvement on who he's replacing, and McKay is absolutely mediocre. Port have shuffled folks around - and Schultz is the best player traded and he's an improvement on Ginnivan.
I think those moves will have almost no impact on whether these sides go forward or backwards. Every year people go half crazed during trade period, and it's really rare that the moves mean anything really to the success and failure of any team.
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No, we've tried to get some key players who would benefit us, not just trade the picks so we can get any old rubbish.
I have absolutely no issues with being a young side that goes back to the draft, IF we can get genuine quality. I'd rather that than be desperately trading for any clapped out piece.
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20 will get us a top shelf ruck.
We couldn’t do with another inside mid (Dow) just in case Crouch reverts to 2022 form? Or a small forward (Brockman) so that Peds/Rash can push up the ground more? Same with a defender (Coffield) in the case Hinge/Nank do the same?
Anyone that re-signed earlier in the year (I can’t be bothered looking up exact candidates) fits into this category too, you know, offer them longer deals and all of that
It’d be great if Daws continues being an elite mid right up until the end of the decade, but we can’t count on it. In theory he should last a bit longer, given 1) he doesn’t rely on pure speed/power, and 2) he’s not a crash-bash clearance type, but weirder things have happened
The stylus broke, Colonel.
Some players are just naturally loyal to their clubs. I dont think its necessarily a failure to not land Redman or Day. They didnt go anywhere else. Woud be different if we were outbid or out presented as a desired destination.
On a side note
Grundy, Adams, Hamling, Jordan - Sydney
Gresham, McKay, Goldstein - Essendon
Fisher, Stephens - North
But Port are the destination club don't you know!
RAT, BZT, Sweet and Saldo (not one landed) They smoke some special stuff at Alberton.
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There are players in between gun and clapped out piece.
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Brockman was always coming back to WA. Young family, the pull of home etc.
I hear what you are saying, I think the AFC’s strategy since Reid took over has been quite sound. He’s a good operator
You’ve hit two big targets the last two years, unfortunately missed out this year (after reportedly strong attempts at a few). It’s not a huge market, as evidenced by the quality (lack of) on display.I’m not sure chasing any old castaway is a winning strategy. Like Dow for example. Some of what I have read (on here) about him was less than complimentary one would say. I can only imagine the response would be if you traded for him
Bolstered the KPP depth with Burgess as cover for Doedee. The main loss will be McAdam.
If you can preserve your draft hand for this year and next, you’ve come out ok. With your list profile, the hopeful growth of quite a few (Pedlar, Soligo, Rankine, Rachele etc.) is what I am looking forward to next season. It’s their time now
They’ll pick them up and win the trade period. You know it
Even if they did, I'd give them a D. They are needs based players but they sold way too much draft capital they needed to get C grade players in.
Cornes would give them an A
Don’t get me wrong, in theory we should be a better side next year. Growth of the players currently on our list should continue to a point where we make the 8. The players we’re losing barely played a season between them, we’ve already covered Doedee’s loss with Worrell, McAdam as a medium forward is a loss that’d I’d like to find a replacement for over the next couple of years (Hayward?) but I don’t think in reality it’ll make a huge differenceBrockman was always coming back to WA. Young family, the pull of home etc.
I hear what you are saying, I think the AFC’s strategy since Reid took over has been quite sound. He’s a good operator
I’m not sure chasing any old castaway is a winning strategy. Like Dow for example. Some of what I have read (on here) about him was less than complimentary one would say. I can only imagine the response would be if you traded for him
Bolstered the KPP depth with Burgess as cover for Doedee. The main loss will be McAdam.
If you can preserve your draft hand for this year and next, you’ve come out ok. With your list profile, the hopeful growth of quite a few (Pedlar, Soligo, Rankine, Rachele etc.) is what I am looking forward to next season. It’s their time now
The idea that we haven’t had a backup plan beyond targeting seemingly un-gettable players just irks me a little, as has been said we haven’t really upgraded our current-day talent (overall) going into a contention window. Just smells a little of complacency
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