List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Alfonz]

Agree, trying to squeeze Jackson, Treacy and Amiss into the one forward line doesn’t work, I’d advocate for Jackson to spend more time up the ground as a mid/Wing with spurts as the Ruck, just like Blicavs at the cats, reckon he’d be more dangerous drifting forward with a mismatch on an opposition mid/wing than a full time back.
Which allows us to play Treacy and Amiss as the tall forwards.

You can also have one of the four (including Sturt) on the bench. Hell, JL does that already. Every single bounce against Bulldogs, one of Amiss/Sturt/ruck was on the bench. It was always only 2 of them and then 4 smalls (including Banfield in this group as he plays like a small) inside the 50. Terrible set up and our marking capacity around the ground is horrible when combined with the short midfielders.

Melbourne played Gawn-Grundy-Petty-JVR-Fritsch as forwards/rucks on the weekend. Collingwood's preferred setup is Cox-Cameron-McStay-Mihocek-Johnson, plus the high flying WHE. It's not any better (maybe even worse) for mobility than Darcy-Jackson-Treacy-Amiss-Sturt. Some teams play less, for example Curnow-McKay-Silvagni-TDK or Daniher-Hipwood-Gunston-Big O. But it isn't cut and dried that you can't play one more tall, and Carlton/Brisbane will always try to have 3 tallish players in the forward line at any one time.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

off memory didnt he look decent in his first year/debut?

I think he looked the same as now, which is the problem. He hasnt progressed. It must have been late last year where I was questionning if he'd shown anything

 

[theGav56]

I am hoping the club internally acknowledges that this year we need to change gears to development mode;

• focus on structure and game plan
• maximise game time for players of the future, especially forward and midfield
• test Kuek and Draper at AFL level.
• give clarity to Treacy about his situation.
• identify assistants who can balance Longmuir's deficiencies

 

[freo_leo29]

It's hard being a kpd in a bottom 4 team tbh

Cox had bags kicked on him too

And look at this year, even moose looks awful

It's a risk with dgb but I think he comes good

 

[gungho]

I think he looked the same as now, which is the problem. He hasnt progressed. It must have been late last year where I was questionning if he'd shown anything

Did you watch Treacy's first half last year against North? He dominated. He has the attributes to be an AFL forward in my opinion. He's strong, aggressive, can take a mark, and can kick a goal from 50 metres. He needs to believe that he belongs. If you look at where the team sits right now, Taberner is out for the season and we will not be finishing top 4. This is actually the perfect time to be getting games into Treacy, and I'm baffled why he's not being picked.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Did you watch Treacy's first half last year against North? He dominated. He has the attributes to be an AFL forward in my opinion. He's strong, aggressive, can take a mark, and can kick a goal from 50 metres. He needs to believe that he belongs. If you look at where the team sits right now, Taberner is out for the season and we will not be finishing top 4. This is actually the perfect time to be getting games into Treacy, and I'm baffled why he's not being picked.

he was talking about DGB

 

[Docker82]

Two things with DGB:

• If game time were the issue why'd he come to Freo? He ain't getting a game ahead of Pearce and Cox and he ain't coming here to be a permanent depth player if he has better options.
• What's in it for Hawthorn trading him this year? His value would be so low atm they're hardly going to care about the opportunity cost of keeping him. Worst case keeping him is they miss out on a sh** draft pick and they delist him next year. Best case he becomes a good player for them. I'd much rather keep him in their situation.

 

[Rockmelon]

Trade the compo pick we get for Pearce when he goes to tassie to the Hawks for DGB

 

[EastcoastDocker]

It's hard being a kpd in a bottom 4 team tbh

Cox had bags kicked on him too

And look at this year, even moose looks awful

It's a risk with dgb but I think he comes good

Moose looks awful coz moose has been awful!

Reckon we are probably 4-2 if moose was playing to expectations.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Moose looks awful coz moose has been awful!

Reckon we are probably 4-2 if moose was playing to expectations.

People are expecting Moose to be like McPharlin and he never will be.

 

[pK75]

People are expecting Moose to be like McPharlin and he never will be.

Not sure anyone is expecting McPharlin level of excellence from Moose, people are expecting Dawson level defensively and he’s not delivering that at the moment.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Not sure anyone is expecting McPharlin level of excellence from Moose, people are expecting Dawson level defensively and he’s not delivering that at the moment.

Would you make Dawson captain?

 

[pK75]

Would you make Dawson captain?

Pretty sure we made Moose captain for his off field leadership more than his on field performance.
He seems to think he needs to be marshalling the troops constantly and loses his man in the process. It’s not a good look.
Someone needs to tell him the best way to lead is to keep his direct opponent goalless.

 

[Docker82]

Not sure anyone is expecting McPharlin level of excellence from Moose, people are expecting Dawson level defensively and he’s not delivering that at the moment.

Most KPDs look rubbish when their team is.

How McPharlin looked All Australian quality (ignore the bs bias - he was) year upon year in what was mostly a sh** team can’t be understated.

Feel Barrass down the road is heading a similar way to McPharlin tbh. Everyone knows he’s a gun but he won’t get the credit he deserves because his team is rubbish.

Pearce and Cox go alright but aren’t quite the elite level of the above. They’d still look pretty good if the ball came is pressured rather than more or less pressure free like it has this year. The stats are there that the midfield is sh** and the defence and forwards are having all their weaknesses exposed because of it.

 

[gungho]

he was talking about DGB

Was he? Sorry about that Snuff.

 

[Taylor]

How McPharlin looked All Australian quality (ignore the bs bias - he was) year upon year in what was mostly a sh** team can’t be understated.

Only when you ask his direct opponents who they least wanted to be manned up by, McPharlin haunted their nightmares. Cameron Mooney probably still wakes up at night thinking he is being spooned by him.

 

[mightymouse75]

Would you make Dawson captain?

Solid question

 

[Taylor]

Same Melb media group who was talking up Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

to Collingwood has now switched to Nic Nat to Collingwood. Guess that ran out of legs.

 

[s_wd6]

Same Melb media group who was talking up Sean Darcy to Collingwood has now switched to Nic Nat to Collingwood. Guess that ran out of legs.

Now if only collingwood had a multiple AA ruck on their list who wanted to stay with them....

 

[go_the_dockers]

Looking at Crows, Collingwood they both have highly skilled quick midfielders and you can see how quickly they can transform a team.

Brayshaw, Serong, Brodie, O'Meara are solid players, but none of them are highly skilled. They also are pretty much only mids, so they limit the ability to add other people to the midfield with out resting them on the bench.

We have an old fashion midfield, and we simply have not adjusted to the direction AFL is moving. You could see the Crows not playing Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

, for this reason it impacts their ball movement and spread too much.

We are always behind the direction AFL is moving towards, and then trying to adjust.

 

[Joao]

I thought I had gotten over giving up pick 1-3, but I am really not. I am still absolutely livid.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I thought I had gotten over giving up pick 1-3, but I am really not. I am still absolutely livid.

Makes the Lobb trade look good.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How many players do we need to be a top 4 side in 4 years?
Current side
Dockers

B: B.Cox, <Full back>, H.Young
HB: Chapman , L.Ryan, J.Clark
C: J.Aish, C.Serong, M.Johnson
HF: <Forward/Mid> , L.Jackson, <3rd tall>
F: S.Switkowski, J.Amiss, <Fwd Pocket>
FOLL: S.Darcy, A.Brayshaw, N.Erasmus
I/C: S.Sturt, B.Walker, L.Schultz, N.O’Driscoll



Out: J.O’Meara, A.Pearce, N.Wilson, M.Walters due to age
Out: B.Banfield, E.Hughes, W.Brodie due to not being good enough for a top 4 side
in:Chapman (would play if not injured)

Luke Ryan, Aish would be 31 and would need to be replace shortly.

We badly need some class, but at least the depth is there. We just need to identify them better, and not over pay.

I am not going on a rant, about what could have been, but this side looks ok on paper. If we had not wasted the picks we had, it would have been a top 4 side

 

[fnerd]

I thought I had gotten over giving up pick 1-3, but I am really not. I am still absolutely livid.

Yea there’s No getting around it … the biggest kicker for me is tho what’s looking like the likely top ten is jammed with fwds- kpfs,fwd/mids,small fwds … there all there

 

[Taylor]

The only saving grace would be losing a free agent to a deal so large it warrants a first round draft pick, but that will be painful itself.