List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[gungho]

Serious question - does anyone expect Wagner to play another AFL game in his career?

 

[Scham]

Serious question - does anyone expect Wagner to play another AFL game in his career?

Only if we get a large amount of injuries in one area of the ground

 

[Shoeless Joe]

Serious question - does anyone expect Wagner to play another AFL game in his career?

Cant understand how he was given a couple of games early on when Worner would have been a better option with an eye to the future

 

[WilloTree]

Serious question - does anyone expect Wagner to play another AFL game in his career?

I don't think so. He was a strange pick. We used a pick in the National Draft on basically a VFL top-up player in an area of the ground we are stacked.

Only thing I can think of is that everyone on their list was gone. It was the 3rd last pick after all.

 

[Docker82]

I don't think so. He was a strange pick. We used a pick in the National Draft on basically a VFL top-up player in an area of the ground we are stacked.

Only thing I can think of is that everyone on their list was gone. It was the 3rd last pick after all.

Should've upgraded either Banfield or Treacy to the senior list instead and made list management this year just a little bit easier.

Could've added Wagner to the rookie list easily.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I'm sure I said in another thread somewhere or even this one that you can't have a team full of A graders. You need the B an C grade role players too.

And I have said in other threads that bringing in known c graders very rarely helps push to top 4 unless you already have enough A graders. I think we are a couple short

 

[arsesmart]

Can't see the gc having enough list spots?

They already have more picks than they would cut this year imo

Does make me realise that sharp will be a firesale though, gc need to open up list spots if they are going to match with a bunch of low picks, otherwise those picks disappear before draft night


Will gc cut 10 players? I doubt it

GCS have highly rated academy kids they'll want the flexibility of points more than the 1R pick.

 

[freo_leo29]

GCS have highly rated academy kids they'll want the flexibility of points more than the 1R pick.

That's great in theory but where do they get the list spots?

They can only use picks up until they run out of list spots

 

[freo_leo29]

Should've upgraded either Banfield or Treacy to the senior list instead and made list management this year just a little bit easier.

Could've added Wagner to the rookie list easily.

Could've signed him for 1 year as a DFA instead

 

[freo_leo29]

Actually on Wagner, are we 100% he is a 2 year signing?

He would have set his contract for the national draft (previous listed player), small possibility he only set 1 year to maximise his chance?

 

[BigRang]

And I have said in other threads that bringing in known c graders very rarely helps push to top 4 unless you already have enough A graders. I think we are a couple short

Yeah fair call, there's always lots of 'Óh he's a B grader' or 'We need A graders' posts. I was just saying we can't have all A graders. FWIW I think we almost have enough A grade talent on every line they're all just kids, another year of development and a couple A grade top ups if possible and we'll be right in the mix IMO.

 

[WilloTree]

Should've upgraded either Banfield or Treacy to the senior list instead and made list management this year just a little bit easier.

Could've added Wagner to the rookie list easily.

Yep. I'd be OK with us passing on the MSD and promoting one of them anyway.

 

[WilloTree]

And I have said in other threads that bringing in known c graders very rarely helps push to top 4 unless you already have enough A graders. I think we are a couple short

Every team has to make the most of their C graders.

Matt Spanger is a Premiership player. ;0

 

[Taylor]

Actually on Wagner, are we 100% he is a 2 year signing?

He would have set his contract for the national draft (previous listed player), small possibility he only set 1 year to maximise his chance?

He can nominate his own terms since he has already been listed, yes

 

[freo_leo29]

He can nominate his own terms since he has already been listed, yes

Yes but have we got confirmation that he nommed for 2?

 

[freo_leo29]

Yep. I'd be OK with us passing on the MSD and promoting one of them anyway.

MSD goes to rookie list so passing doesn't do anything for that

 

[WilloTree]

MSD goes to rookie list so passing doesn't do anything for that

As far as I can work out, we have a lot of options as we are 1 short on the Main List with 35 and have 4 CAs (and 2CBs)

In fact, if we really wanted to we could promote 3 and still have a crack at the MSD. OR promote no one and take a pick. I was more agreeing with the other poster who was saying it would make it easier for us at the end of the year to find 4 list spots if we promote 1 now.

Just an example, we could go something like:
Hamling - retired
Colyer - retired
Benning - delist
Sturt - move to the RL spot you create promoting Treacy/Banfield

4 picks at ND

 

[Docker82]

Yep. I'd be OK with us passing on the MSD and promoting one of them anyway.

I’m confused by this post.

Whoever we draft in the MSD goes on the rookie list. Treacy and Banfield can’t be on the rookie list next year unless we delist and re-draft them.

If anything the situation with Treacy and Banfield makes drafting a player in the Mid Season Draft make more sense.

 

[Taylor]

Yes but have we got confirmation that he nommed for 2?

Not that I'm aware, I put him down for two on my sheet but not based on anything other than a national draft pick over a later rookie selection.

I do think we were scraping the barrel by the time we were picking though, we will find out in a few months one way or another.

 

[WilloTree]

I’m confused by this post.

Whoever we draft in the MSD goes on the rookie list. Treacy and Banfield can’t be on the rookie list next year unless we delist and re-draft them.

If anything the situation with Treacy and Banfield makes drafting a player in the Mid Season Draft make more sense.

hahaa read up 1 post from your reply.

 

[freo_leo29]

As far as I can work out, we have a lot of options as we are 1 short on the Main List with 35 and have 4 CAs (and 2CBs)

In fact, if we really wanted to we could promote 3 and still have a crack at the MSD. OR promote no one and take a pick. I was more agreeing with the other poster who was saying it would make it easier for us at the end of the year to find 4 list spots if we promote 1 now.

Just an example, we could go something like:
Hamling - retired
Colyer - retired
Benning - delist
Sturt - move to the RL spot you create promoting Treacy/Banfield

4 picks at ND

We do not want to give Sturt free agency imo

We have enough spots to chop anyway those 3 and Wilson

Then Wagner can be delisted and rookied too

Probably a surprise trade request to come

 

[WilloTree]

We do not want to give Sturt free agency imo

We have enough spots to chop anyway those 3 and Wilson

Then Wagner can be delisted and rookied too

Probably a surprise trade request to come

Yes, no worries. It was just an example.

I hope Willo goes around again. He's 1 injury away from playing 1s

 

[Docker82]

We do not want to give Sturt free agency imo

We have enough spots to chop anyway those 3 and Wilson

Then Wagner can be delisted and rookied too

Probably a surprise trade request to come

We’ve actually got 36 on the Senior List not 35. And we’ve got five Category A rookies.

Expecting us to stay with the 36-5/6-2 structure next season tbh. We haven’t changed that in probably over a decade except for when the AFL reduced list sizes (we were still running with the minimum senior list before that). There’s salary cap benefits to having less on the Senior list - I think it was $80,000 per player but it’s probably more now.

We are not delisting either Treacy or Banfield so they’ll be on the senior List next year unless they’re traded. I can’t see there being too much interest in Banfield but with Treacy they’ll be interest we’ll need to see off to re-sign him.

I still don’t think it’s all that hard to delist or trade 5-6 from the Senior List tbh. There’s probably 2-3 we could delist and redraft as rookies quite comfortably imo. They’ll be plenty of room on the Rookie List next season. There’s probably even enough room for Wilson or Hamling to be one of those players we delist and redraft.

Think Henry will do his best to get traded - whether anyone wants him is another matter.

FWIW it’s not what I’d do but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sturt delisted tbh.

 

[freo_leo29]

We’ve actually got 36 on the Senior List not 35. And we’ve got five Category A rookies.

Expecting us to stay with the 36-5/6-2 structure next season tbh. We haven’t changed that in probably over a decade except for when the AFL reduced list sizes (we were still running with the minimum senior list before that). There’s salary cap benefits to having less on the Senior list - I think it was $80,000 per player but it’s probably more now.

We are not delisting either Treacy or Banfield so they’ll be on the senior List next year unless they’re traded. I can’t see there being too much interest in Banfield but with Treacy they’ll be interest we’ll need to see off to re-sign him.

I still don’t think it’s all that hard to delist or trade 5-6 from the Senior List tbh. There’s probably 2-3 we could delist and redraft as rookies quite comfortably imo. They’ll be plenty of room on the Rookie List next season. There’s probably even enough room for Wilson or Hamling to be one of those players we delist and redraft.

Think Henry will do his best to get traded - whether anyone wants him is another matter.

FWIW it’s not what I’d do but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sturt delisted tbh.

I could name ten players I'd rookie before Sturt tbh

Much better to delist and rookie an older player nowadays, like a Hughes or Wilson, giving them free agency isn't bad at all (+ Hughes already has it)

 

[Docker82]

I could name ten players I'd rookie before Sturt tbh

Much better to delist and rookie an older player nowadays, like a Hughes or Wilson, giving them free agency isn't bad at all (+ Hughes already has it)

Wouldn’t be surprised if Sturt isn’t offered a contract at all.

Again it isn’t what I’d do but he’s played seven games and he’s been on the list five years by seasons end. How much longer will the club continue to re-contract a player they hardly ever play? It doesn’t often happen.