List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Docker82]

I'd rather they give Worner a go as a winger rather than Sharp. Sharp is in his 4th year on an AFL list and this year hasn't shown he's any better than Worner. Karl is in his second year.

One thing people are overlooking is that Worner is already on the Rookie List. I’m pretty sure we’re not adding Sharp to the Rookie List.

The reason this is important is that we need to upgrade both Banfield and Treacy if we want to keep them on the list and we’ll also use probably 3-4 picks at the National Draft. Probably looking at 5-6 off the senior list to make that happen - maybe more if we trade in players. With the Rookie List, assuming we use a MSD pick this month, we’re already two short because of Banfield and Treacy without delisting anyone.

I’m not against adding Sharp but re-signing Worner for another year on the Rookie List seems a no brainer to me.

 

[go_the_dockers]

One thing people are overlooking is that Worner is already on the Rookie List. I’m pretty sure we’re not adding Sharp to the Rookie List.

The reason this is important is that we need to upgrade both Banfield and Treacy if we want to keep them on the list and we’ll also use probably 3-4 picks at the National Draft. Probably looking at 5-6 off the senior list to make that happen - maybe more if we trade in players. With the Rookie List, assuming we use a MSD pick this month, we’re already two short because of Banfield and Treacy without delisting anyone.

I’m not against adding Sharp but re-signing Worner for another year on the Rookie List seems a no brainer to me.

We need A graders, not b or c graders.

The only way to improve us significantly is to find more A graders

 

[BigRang]

We need A graders, not b or c graders.

The only way to improve us significantly is to find more A graders

I'm sure I said in another thread somewhere or even this one that you can't have a team full of A graders. You need the B an C grade role players too.

 

[Docker82]

We need A graders, not b or c graders.

The only way to improve us significantly is to find more A graders

To clarify I said I’m not against listing Sharp. In no way, shape or form is he a priority for me. His value is pretty much nothing from a trade perspective.

The priorities for me are upgrading Treacy to the senior list and using 3-4 picks at the National Draft. It’s a strong draft and with Gold Coast likely to load up on second and third rounders for points our first three picks will probably all be top 45.

Upgrading Banfield to the senior list isn’t priority for me but he’s in his third year on the rookie list (like Treacy) and already contracted for next season. He’s upgraded whether I like it or not.

Making 5-6 places on the senior list will be easy enough without cutting too deep. It’d take one extra list spot and maybe a future fourth to add Sharp to the list - it’s not impacting our ability to add A Graders to the list if we pick him up.

 

[Dockeroo]

I'm sure I said in another thread somewhere or even this one that you can't have a team full of A graders. You need the B an C grade role players too.

Let’s be honest here. Fremantle football club has had a lot of issues in its 28 year history but having too many A graders and not enough B and C graders most certainly is not one of them.
We are unlikely to make finals this year and clearly are still lacking in sufficient elite talent to win a flag. A couple of wins in recent weeks doesnt change that fact.
Geelong had a quality player in every single position on the field last year to win the flag. That’s the level we have to get to to win it outright.

 

[theGav56]

Why do we need Sharp so badly?

I don't think we do, but the club wanted him, and it seems clear that the club is struggling to see an alternative from within our list

 

[Swiggy]

I don't think we do, but the club wanted him, and it seems clear that the club is struggling to see an alternative from within our list

Don’t really have a natural winger on the list. Freo have been into him since his draft year

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Is there a world where we bundle up all our picks and offer them to GCS for a top pick? They need points, and we are out of the first round


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[blue shark]

Let’s be honest here. Fremantle football club has had a lot of issues in its 28 year history but having too many A graders and not enough B and C graders most certainly is not one of them.
We are unlikely to make finals this year and clearly are still lacking in sufficient elite talent to win a flag. A couple of wins in recent weeks doesnt change that fact.
Geelong had a quality player in every single position on the field last year to win the flag. That’s the level we have to get to to win it outright.

Cats had 8 AA in 2007. I reckon we have potentially half of that ATM.
But in time I think we could get close?

 

[arsesmart]

Is there a world where we bundle up all our picks and offer them to GCS for a top pick? They need points, and we are out of the first round


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As things stand we'd likely have to dip into 2024 to get the required capital. GCS, however, will be wanting 2023 coin to match bids.

 

[AFL Nut]

Don’t really have a natural winger on the list. Freo have been into him since his draft year

We traded in Corbett Wagner Reidy out of VFL Teams none of them can get a game wouldnt think Sharp was a priority

 

[Dockeroo]

Is there a world where we bundle up all our picks and offer them to GCS for a top pick? They need points, and we are out of the first round


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Posted about this the other day and we should be into it but there will be stiff competition for this selection from other clubs

 

[Taylor]

It's going to depend on GC, the rest of their season. If they have a top five pick I expect them to trade it up for picks and if it's nearer to top ten then trade down

 

[Swiggy]

We traded in Corbett Wagner Reidy out of VFL Teams none of them can get a game wouldnt think Sharp was a priority

the recruiting love him. Wanted him in his draft year

 

[arsesmart]

It's going to depend on GC, the rest of their season. If they have a top five pick I expect them to trade it up for picks and if it's nearer to top ten then trade down

At the moment they've got pick 8 = 1551 pts (their draw from here looks a little testing, but they are also hitting their stride, so...).

Our 2023 capital at the moment is worth 1837 pts (1 x 2R, 2 x 3R, 1 x 4R), but the North situation is obviously a big factor, is that competitive enough? And is it worth it to put all those eggs in the basket of whomever is thereabouts in that range?

 

[Scham]

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the recruiting love him. Wanted him in his draft year

Things may've changed. Especially around his attitude and personality if the rumours are true.

 

[Purple Suit]

At the moment they've got pick 8 = 1551 pts (their draw from here looks a little testing, but they are also hitting their stride, so...).

Our 2023 capital at the moment is worth 1837 pts (1 x 2R, 2 x 3R, 1 x 4R), but the North situation is obviously a big factor, is that competitive enough? And is it worth it to put all those eggs in the basket of whomever is thereabouts in that range?

I'd do that trade every day of the week in our position, especially if there is a high class x factor forward near that pick who can eventually replace Walters.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Realistically I think we are going to be out of the running for that GC pick because you’ll need a late first to make it work. Would bet Melbourne or Dogs get it

 

[freofandom]

Let’s be honest here. Fremantle football club has had a lot of issues in its 28 year history but having too many A graders and not enough B and C graders most certainly is not one of them.
We are unlikely to make finals this year and clearly are still lacking in sufficient elite talent to win a flag. A couple of wins in recent weeks doesnt change that fact.
Geelong had a quality player in every single position on the field last year to win the flag. That’s the level we have to get to to win it outright.

Geelong's average age was 28yr 7mths in the GF last year. Freo's team was 24yr 8mths last round (the youngest team of the round).

When was the last time we traded in someone who performed as an 'A' grader immediately? The answer will be Luke Jackson shortly if it isn't already. But ready made 'A' graders cost a fortune in draft capital.

Darcy, Brayshaw and Serong are all A graders now. Jackson, Cox, Young and Amiss are all well down the path of becoming A grade (pretty sure bets). Fyfe and Walters obviously were A grade but we can't rely on them anymore - although I'd expect them to pop up and impact in games throughout the season.

Think our best bet is continual improvement of our very young list, especially our (tall) forward line. Think we mostly have the pieces already - they just need time to develop individually and more importantly as a group.

 

[poshman]

Realistically I think we are going to be out of the running for that GC pick because you’ll need a late first to make it work. Would bet Melbourne or Dogs get it

The very rich getting richer.

 

[Dockeroo]

Realistically I think we are going to be out of the running for that GC pick because you’ll need a late first to make it work. Would bet Melbourne or Dogs get it

So much depends on where Gold Coast finish. And north actually, from our perspective. We need GC to end up with something around pick 11 or so. That would mean them finishing 9th or 10th. It’s not at all impossible, they are a reasonable side, if unreliable.
North finishing bottom and GC finishing 9th puts the pick right into our range.
We will need to use our F2 to get it done though.

 

[Purpletown]

Geelong's average age was 28yr 7mths in the GF last year. Freo's team was 24yr 8mths last round (the youngest team of the round).

When was the last time we traded in someone who performed as an 'A' grader immediately? The answer will be Luke Jackson shortly if it isn't already. But ready made 'A' graders cost a fortune in draft capital.

Darcy, Brayshaw and Serong are all A graders now. Jackson, Cox, Young and Amiss are all well down the path of becoming A grade (pretty sure bets). Fyfe and Walters obviously were A grade but we can't rely on them anymore - although I'd expect them to pop up and impact in games throughout the season.

Think our best bet is continual improvement of our very young list, especially our (tall) forward line. Think we mostly have the pieces already - they just need time to develop individually and more importantly as a group.

Sean Darcy could well be included in your list of players on the way to being A graders.

 

[freofandom]

Sean Darcy could well be included in your list of players on the way to being A graders.

I have Darcy on the already "A" grade list. He is a ****ing monster as evidenced last weekend.

 

[freo_leo29]

Is there a world where we bundle up all our picks and offer them to GCS for a top pick? They need points, and we are out of the first round


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Can't see the gc having enough list spots?

They already have more picks than they would cut this year imo

Does make me realise that sharp will be a firesale though, gc need to open up list spots if they are going to match with a bunch of low picks, otherwise those picks disappear before draft night


Will gc cut 10 players? I doubt it

 

[Docker82]

At the moment they've got pick 8 = 1551 pts (their draw from here looks a little testing, but they are also hitting their stride, so...).

Our 2023 capital at the moment is worth 1837 pts (1 x 2R, 2 x 3R, 1 x 4R), but the North situation is obviously a big factor, is that competitive enough? And is it worth it to put all those eggs in the basket of whomever is thereabouts in that range?

Do we want to trade four picks for one though? The club almost always uses four picks at the draft but I wouldn't be disappointed to use three this year.

Might be possible to trade with them on draft night tbh. Let's say they match the first bid and decide they want to split what's left. Might be possible to get our second selection very close to our first.