List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Dockeroo]

The individual decisions I agree with but the sum total resulted in a massive dent in our campaign for this year. Something we seemed totally unprepared for.

The club could easily have retained Acres and Logue at a reasonable cost. The gains from those losses are minimal. But our defense and wings have taken significant backwards steps.

The replacement of Lobb with Jackson is something we will benefit from for a decade. It's massive. The cost high, but worth the risk.

Agree on acres thoug lh he’s no messiah either. I felt he was a very average player TBH but had a decent year in 2022 to be fair, I also thought we had something better in mind that replacing him with Ethan Hughes on the wing. Thankfully Hughes has gone back to the HBF and that horrible wing experiment appears to be over and we are now running with NOD and Aish. Neither particularly good this year but I can at least deal with Hughes in the defence as a somewhat serviceable option until Chapman recovers.

Logue - I actually think he’s been replaced by Banfield in that pressure medium forward role. It would be nice to have him available for Jezza Cameron this weekend but on balance, provided North finish bottom 2 or 3, our Logue pick of 21/22 this year is reasonably fair compensation.

Getting Jackson in instead of Lobb has improved us in that position from last year. On every single metric you can look at, 2023 Jackson is better than 2022 Lobb. Not least the naked eye where it’s obvious to all and sundry that jackson is in a different stratosphere to Lobb as a footballer, without even looking at any stats. Not marginally better either - the difference between the two of them is very significant already and growing wider by the week.

Feel like other reasons than personnel are mainly to blame for our inauspicious start in 2023 (coaching gameplan being awful the first few weeks in particular) but let’s see if they can get back on course before the bye.

 

[chinggis77]

Jeremy Sharp definitey gettable this year. Can't crack the Suns team. Still playing well in VFL (20-25 touches a game and 1-2 goals).

 

[s_wd6]

Jeremy Sharp definitey gettable this year. Can't crack the Suns team. Still playing well in VFL (20-25 touches a game and 1-2 goals).

going to wce if they want him

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yes, yes you are. Schultz is worth two top 3 picks + change and to even question it shows how detached from reality you are.




I am genuinely confused as to how the Dees made Jackson look so useless as a forward, especially when they had him play ok everywhere else. He's not and probably never will be a JJK level forward but I'll be staggered if he is not better than Lobb as a pure forward and soon.

I was wrong!

I can’t wait to watch the Sydney game in full because maybe im missing a bit but I feel like his forward stuff doesn’t scream natural forward but is basically purely being 10x the athlete of anyone around him. Beats Lobb by being a massive threat once the ball hits the ground and there’s definitely been Fyfe like disregard for oppo players this year.

Can’t wait to see what he’s like at 24

 

[Taylor]

Per game.

Luke: 1.3 goals, 3 marks, 4.1 tackles, 1.6 clearances, 9.9 hitouts, 3.3 HO to adv, 5.4 score involvements, 1.7 score launches, 1 goal assist
Lobb: 1.3 goals, 2.9 marks, 0.9 tackles, 0.5 cleances, 7.1 hitouts, 1.9 HO to adv, 4 score involvements, 1.1 score launches, 0.4 goal assist

Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

is superior this season.

 

[Swiggy]

going to wce if they want him

Why? Freo clearly want him

 

[apuchar]

Why? Freo clearly want him

He and his family are upset about last year.

 

[s_wd6]

Why? Freo clearly want him

Upset that we didn’t get the deal done last year

 

[WilloTree]

Upset that we didn’t get the deal done last year

That's a shame. There's a spot on the wing at Freo for him if he works hard and wants it enough. Pretty hard to press his claims playing 2s though. He'd be very cheap as well. Like, F4/R5 cheap cheap.

Oh well. End of last season, he was under contract and Suns had dug in their heels on a 2nd Rounder for him (our pick 30). There was no way that deal was getting done in the little time we had left after the Jackson deal went down to the last day. Apparently, Freo and Suns were a long way off agreeing his trade value.

 

[Mags98]

Per game.

Luke: 1.3 goals, 3 marks, 4.1 tackles, 1.6 clearances, 9.9 hitouts, 3.3 HO to adv, 5.4 score involvements, 1.7 score launches, 1 goal assist
Lobb: 1.3 goals, 2.9 marks, 0.9 tackles, 0.5 cleances, 7.1 hitouts, 1.9 HO to adv, 4 score involvements, 1.1 score launches, 0.4 goal assist

Luke Jackson is superior this season.

and thats with a shitty bedding in period, hes going to be far ahead in no time

 

[s_wd6]

and thats with a shitty bedding in period, hes going to be far ahead in no time

What would his stats be like without his first two games?

 

[blue shark]

Agree on acres thoug lh he’s no messiah either. I felt he was a very average player TBH but had a decent year in 2022 to be fair, I also thought we had something better in mind that replacing him with Ethan Hughes on the wing. Thankfully Hughes has gone back to the HBF and that horrible wing experiment appears to be over and we are now running with NOD and Aish. Neither particularly good this year but I can at least deal with Hughes in the defence as a somewhat serviceable option until Chapman recovers.

Logue - I actually think he’s been replaced by Banfield in that pressure medium forward role. It would be nice to have him available for Jezza Cameron this weekend but on balance, provided North finish bottom 2 or 3, our Logue pick of 21/22 this year is reasonably fair compensation.

Getting Jackson in instead of Lobb has improved us in that position from last year. On every single metric you can look at, 2023 Jackson is better than 2022 Lobb. Not least the naked eye where it’s obvious to all and sundry that jackson is in a different stratosphere to Lobb as a footballer, without even looking at any stats. Not marginally better either - the difference between the two of them is very significant already and growing wider by the week.

Feel like other reasons than personnel are mainly to blame for our inauspicious start in 2023 (coaching gameplan being awful the first few weeks in particular) but let’s see if they can get back on course before the bye.

North will want pick 1.

 

[Sweetback]

I was wondering how Jaymie Graham

Jaymie Graham

Age

41

Ht

196cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.4

3star

could be so well regarded as a forward coach at WCE when we’ve been so shit there, but with how well the talls have been working together over the last week or two, it’s making more sense

 

[nurries]

Tank race has started early this year. Reid must be some player

 

[Bigger]

Sorry, Gav, I am now realising you might have meant Acres' absence has affected our backline - he did do a lot of two-way running and certainly bailed us out in defence more than a fair bit last season. A big part of the defensive structure.

He is Rainmacres, though, so his defensive efforts were offset by his ability to turn it over going forward with senseless hoofing.

 

[theGav56]

Sorry, Gav, I am now realising you might have meant Acres' absence has affected our backline - he did do a lot of two-way running and certainly bailed us out in defence more than a fair bit last season. A big part of the defensive structure.

He is Rainmacres, though, so his defensive efforts were offset by his ability to turn it over going forward with senseless hoofing.

I think a serious finals tilt requires stability. This season makes sense to me as a development year. If you lose the number of best 22 players that we did you inevitably impact your immediate finals prospects. Given we were already going to be losing Lobb and Mundy we were a little shortsighted IMO.

I do think Acres the biggest loss, and agree he is a B grader. But the failure to secure Sharp, Worner being developed in the already heavily populated position of HBF, and the curious decision to play Hughes, a hardened and competant HBFer on the wing, all amplify the issue.

Keeping Logue could allow Chapman, Clark or Young to play through the middle. Instead we have Hughes (I'm a Hughes fan by the way).

 

[Purple Suit]

Tank race has started early this year. Reid must be some player

Calling the bottom three tankers is more of an excuse than an insult, it's what they would prefer to be called. In reality, all three are just bad teams. The hawks got rid of experience to fast track their midfield and will turn around soon but the other two teams are hopeless due to their own making.

 

[Swiggy]

Upset that we didn’t get the deal done last year

He'll end up at freo

 

[King Huskii]

He'll end up at freo

Maybe

 

[Tundrawolf]

I'd rather they give Worner a go as a winger rather than Sharp. Sharp is in his 4th year on an AFL list and this year hasn't shown he's any better than Worner. Karl is in his second year.

 

[Purple Suit]

I'd rather they give Worner a go as a winger rather than Sharp. Sharp is in his 4th year on an AFL list and this year hasn't shown he's any better than Worner. Karl is in his second year.

Same, appears to be lighting up at Peel so not sure we need another winger on higher wages if we have no spot to debut Worner.

 

[King Huskii]

Why do we need Sharp so badly?

 

[Jezzitizle]

Why do we need Sharp so badly?

Shiny new things, grass is always greener - and so forth.

 

[Joao]

What with this and Crowden it's just as well you've got the Hogan feather in your cap!

I'm doing better than that. I also didn't rate Lobb and said Aish and Clark would be good gets (even if Aish isn't popular right now).

And you're forgetting than that Crowden is the undisputed GOAT its just that JL is a jealous campaigner.

I can’t wait to watch the Sydney game in full because maybe im missing a bit but I feel like his forward stuff doesn’t scream natural forward but is basically purely being 10x the athlete of anyone around him. Beats Lobb by being a massive threat once the ball hits the ground and there’s definitely been Fyfe like disregard for oppo players this year.

Can’t wait to see what he’s like at 24

He definitely uses his athleticism to his advantage, but he does just enough "forward craft" to put himself in a position to use it. Lobb was basically the same thing except there was only 1 aspect to it (he is huge and has good hands above his head). Jackson has a few ways to get you which is why I think he will fast outdo Lobb.

Why do we need Sharp so badly?

The obvious answer is we played Hughes on the wing for like 7 weeks and Aish is currently no2 whipping boy on here playing there.

 

[Alfonz]

The other question is why would Sharp want to come here? He would be guaranteed a game at WC and borderline at Freo. Players actually want to play seniors, even if it means a drubbing at AFL level compared to winning at WAFL level.