List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Joao]

Daniels is hearing from at least 2 people not with the club that we are chasing Naughton and Georgiades, that's all. It's still exciting but not exactly time to choose a jumper number for either of them. For one, I'd be reasonably certain Georgiades goes WC if he comes back and for two, the price for Naughton this year especially would be disgusting.

I would personally be fine with losing both Tabs and Treacy (and whatever other picks needed) for Naughton because a proven, ready to go KPF would just put this list over the top and give us an insane core group group of 25 and unders to work with across all lines and positions.

I agree except I think Naughts would look good in 33.

 

[what a game]

I think a couple of player managers are playing the game to boost contracts for their clients
Good on them
Not sure I see a freo need atm.
I prefer seeing some organic growth from our youth for a change
I’ve enjoyed the last 2/3 years watching our kids come through.
Naughton to me looks like a sugar hit from hell. If he wants to come to freo he comes on our terms not his ?
Our current list has been built around harmony and hard work
I’d prefer that to be the future

 

[wakojako]

Daniels is hearing from at least 2 people not with the club that we are chasing Naughton and Georgiades, that's all. It's still exciting but not exactly time to choose a jumper number for either of them. For one, I'd be reasonably certain Georgiades goes WC if he comes back and for two, the price for Naughton this year especially would be disgusting.

I would personally be fine with losing both Tabs and Treacy (and whatever other picks needed) for Naughton because a proven, ready to go KPF would just put this list over the top and give us an insane core group group of 25 and unders to work with across all lines and positions.

Naughton is OOC in 2024. Looking at our list, the only player OOC in 2024 of any value is Cox.

 

[Docker82]

My point is on leaning too heavily into the whole average goals per game to support the argument is dodge as it hides (if not denies) the importance of continuity.

Good clubs don't rely heavily on players, well...so unreliable. Best players are elevated to best players because of opportunity and faith/status they are afforded to carry the load.

The message of the past 10 years of Taberner's continuity, along with the burgeoning stocks we have is that there are only so many eggs you can advisably look to invest in Tabs basket and we might be better spreading them around a little.

Good clubs get their better players right to play when it matters. Plenty of injury prone players have been managed through the season and contributed massively to premierships.

We didn't do that with Taberner in 2022 because we rushed him back from injury because he's so critical to our structure.

In 2020 and 2021 he would've played in the finals had we made it.

Quoting a ten year period with Taberner is pointless as a lot of that time early on he was playing WAFL not injured.

 

[gungho]

Good clubs get their better players right to play when it matters. Plenty of injury prone players have been managed through the season and contributed massively to premierships.

We didn't do that with Taberner in 2022 because we rushed him back from injury because he's so critical to our structure.

In 2020 and 2021 he would've played in the finals had we made it.

Quoting a ten year period with Taberner is pointless as a lot of that time early on he was playing WAFL not injured.

As a bit of an experiment, I went back and tallied all the games Taberner has played at Peel (Combined with his AFL Career).
He averages about 16 games a year for both. Not horrible. But not great either. At his age, he'd have a greater chance playing less than 16 games from now on rather than more.

 

[Taylor]

Naughton is OOC in 2024. Looking at our list, the only player OOC in 2024 of any value is Cox.

And Sean Darcy, and Nathan O'Driscoll.

Both Cox and Darcy are free agents though. Sam Switkowski too.

 

[Scham]

I'd love us to get Motlop back.

 

[The Round House Drunk]

I think it was Alfonz who made the point that Taberner, Amiss and Treacy will likely fill two spots between them in our forward structure throughout the season.

23 x H&A games = 46 spots

That’s roughly 15 games each, which can factor in likely injuries and the need to rest Amiss.

 

[arsesmart]

Good clubs get their better players right to play when it matters. Plenty of injury prone players have been managed through the season and contributed massively to premierships.

We didn't do that with Taberner in 2022 because we rushed him back from injury because he's so critical to our structure.

In 2020 and 2021 he would've played in the finals had we made it.

Quoting a ten year period with Taberner is pointless as a lot of that time early on he was playing WAFL not injured.

Are you seriously arguing Tabs doesn't have any issue with maintaining continuity?

And few other eyebrow raisers...

• "rushed him back"? Is that your considered medical opinion?
• "would've played..."? There's some misplaced confidence.

He's never played more than 17 games in a season. Ever. We need to accept that that's our lot.

2020 is the template. Sixteen to 20 minutes of time per quarter max. Matt meet vest.

 

[wakojako]

And Sean Darcy, and Nathan O'Driscoll.

Both Cox and Darcy are free agents though. Sam Switkowski too.

Noddy is loyal and would sign on a reasonable contract. Club wouldn't entertain trading him.

You wouldn't trade Darcy as that would cull our ruck stocks with no replacement available. Would also be detrimental to club culture.

Switta ain't getting you a top 10 pick.

 

[Docker82]

Are you seriously arguing Tabs doesn't have any issue with maintaining continuity?

And few other eyebrow raisers...

• "rushed him back"? Is that your considered medical opinion?
• "would've played..."? There's some misplaced confidence.

He's never played more than 17 games in a season. Ever. We need to accept that that's our lot.

2020 is the template. Sixteen to 20 minutes of time per quarter max. Matt meet vest.

Not at all but it's not so bad you start looking elsewhere.

Giving him the best late in games of we have no injuries is probably something the club will consider quite often tbh.

 

[Taylor]

Noddy is loyal and would sign on a reasonable contract. Club wouldn't entertain trading him.

You wouldn't trade Darcy as that would cull our ruck stocks with no replacement available. Would also be detrimental to club culture.

Switta ain't getting you a top 10 pick.

The only one in that list I gave who would be traded is O'Driscoll because the rest are free agents. Losing them isn't a matter of being willing to trade them.

And the reasons O'Driscoll is expected to stay apply to Naughton at the Dogs

 

[wakojako]

And the reasons O'Driscoll is expected to stay apply to Naughton at the Dogs

Nah they aren't. Nobody's salary is no where near that of Naughtons. Noddy would also take unders to stay with us because he is loyal, Naughton wouldn't do that at the dogs.

 

[Taylor]

Nah they aren't. Nobody's salary is no where near that of Naughtons. Noddy would also take unders to stay with us because he is loyal, Naughton wouldn't do that at the dogs.

Why wouldn't Naughton take under his value to stay at the Dogs?

 

[ilikepotatoes]

O'Driscoll won't leave Freo.

 

[theGav56]

O'Driscoll won't leave Freo.

I thought that about Logue.

 

[greatgatsby]

I thought that about Logue.

O’Driscoll has the passion.

 

[eastfreo75]

I think it was Alfonz who made the point that Taberner, Amiss and Treacy will likely fill two spots between them in our forward structure throughout the season.

23 x H&A games = 46 spots

That’s roughly 15 games each, which can factor in likely injuries and the need to rest Amiss.

If you add Darcy and Jackson, it gives us 4 talls up forward and in the ruck.

That’s 23 x 4 = 92 spots. 18.4 games per player.

 

[wakojako]

Why wouldn't Naughton take under his value to stay at the Dogs?

Because he can get 800k min at any club he wants? Noddy would be on less than 400k! Noddy bleeds purple more than anyone we've had on the list for years. Naughton likes his club but he does not share the same level of passion.

 

[wakojako]

I found this paragraph from Daniels quite interesting:

"There was a lot of very subtle noise about Naughton last year and [a move] never occurred, there was just an undercurrent, just watch that space."

I only want to chase him if he is wants to join us for the right reasons and not another merc. Much prefer we keep Treacy and go for Kozzie.

 

[mike91]

O’Driscoll has the passion.

As does Logue. We offered him less than market value, allowing rivals to come sniffing. By the time we upped our offer it was too late.

I highly doubt O'Driscoll ever leaves, but the cheap shot at Logue, who was obviously passionate about the club is just uncalled for to be honest.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I found this paragraph from Daniels quite interesting:

"There was a lot of very subtle noise about Naughton last year and [a move] never occurred, there was just an undercurrent, just watch that space."

I only want to chase him if he is wants to join us for the right reasons and not another merc. Much prefer we keep Treacy and go for Kozzie.

If i'm not mistaken Bell literally mentioned him - in jest - as part of a Lobb trade.

 

[FreoRicci]

Naughton is a Victorian that moveD to WA. He even admitted he’s not really a WA kid

 

[BettercallSaul]

As does Logue. We offered him less than market value, allowing rivals to come sniffing. By the time we upped our offer it was too late.

I highly doubt O'Driscoll ever leaves, but the cheap shot at Logue, who was obviously passionate about the club is just uncalled for to be honest.

I’m not sure of figures (obviously)but my impression is that North offered OVER market value for Logue. Agree re Driscoll staying though.

 

[greatgatsby]

As does Logue. We offered him less than market value, allowing rivals to come sniffing. By the time we upped our offer it was too late.

I highly doubt O'Driscoll ever leaves, but the cheap shot at Logue, who was obviously passionate about the club is just uncalled for to be honest.

No cheap shot. Logue went for career and money reasons (no problem with that), without the passion.

As others have noted, his "market value" will be determined in future. He left Freo as a non-best 22 player.