List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Docker82]

Marketing contract.

Hungry Jacks ambassador.

 

[wakojako]

Taylor I feel like you have a good view on market value, how much would Pickett cost us at the end of this season?

 

[Taylor]

Taylor I feel like you have a good view on market value, how much would Pickett cost us at the end of this season?

Future first and a second.

 

[Joao]

Taylor I feel like you have a good view on market value, how much would Pickett cost us at the end of this season?

Taylor sees the trade market well, easy to do with her trusty glasses.

 

[wakojako]

Taylor sees the trade market well, easy to do with her trusty glasses.

Nah Tay likes to mess around with people which most fall for She generally does have a good sense of things, better than I do!

 

[pK75]

Future first and a second.

Now what about JVR?

 

[Ge3ks]

Now what about JVR?

A time machine.

 

[Taylor]

Now what about JVR?

We would need a top five pick out of a side like Adelaide as part of an exchange for Cox - then we could get both.

 

[Dayts]

So we have to go early on Henry and sigh him up now to have any chance at getting Picket over?

I’m starting to feel like wakojako,
Koz is a must have

 

[Rockmelon]

Almost feel like we’re gonna have to give up a player for Kozzie…

 

[wakojako]

So we have to go early on Henry and sigh him up now to have any chance at getting Picket over?

I’m starting to feel like wakojako,
Koz is a must have

All aboard the Kozzie Train.

 

[wakojako]

Future first and a second.

I would pay it but it means we probably won't get Naughton. I wish we took pick 7 from Gold Coast so we still had this years first rounder. We could have used that pick to land Koltyn

 

[heypenny]

Why don't we try and pick up the next Pickett, Naughton, McDonald etc in future drafts?

Big trades cost us too much draft capital and/or salary cap. It very rarely works out. It's not basketball where one player will drastically change the fortunes of a team. We can't do a West Coast and destroy our depth for one player. We have 22 playing each week and depth will become more and more important if the league shifts towards Collingwood's fast/attacking gameplan. Players will get run down and there will be loads more injuries. There's a reason why we have a short injury list under Jlo's conservative chip-kick approach.

We have the same discussion on trading every year. And I agree that we should never rule out trades. But we should be going for the low cost trades (i.e what we did for Aish, Brodie or what Carlton gave up for Acres). We've already got one big fish in Jackson. IMO another one could cripple us in the future. No matter how good you're doing, you always need good youth coming through to give the team energy. We wouldn't be able to cope with multiple years without a first or second round pick.

 

[Hamann188]

Why don't we try and pick up the next Pickett, Naughton, McDonald etc in future drafts?

Big trades cost us too much draft capital and/or salary cap. It very rarely works out. It's not basketball where one player will drastically change the fortunes of a team. We can't do a West Coast and destroy our depth for one player. We have 22 playing each week and depth will become more and more important if the league shifts towards Collingwood's fast/attacking gameplan. Players will get run down and there will be loads more injuries. There's a reason why we have a short injury list under Jlo's conservative chip-kick approach.

We have the same discussion on trading every year. And I agree that we should never rule out trades. But we should be going for the low cost trades (i.e what we did for Aish, Brodie or what Carlton gave up for Acres). We've already got one big fish in Jackson. IMO another one could cripple us in the future. No matter how good you're doing, you always need good youth coming through to give the team energy. We wouldn't be able to cope with multiple years without a first or second round pick.

This. This. Very much this.

 

[Dale Doback]

I don't dislike you blokes. Your team in the 90s was different and had talent for days. Just struggled to deal with Neesham's structure's which were wild.

But then in the early 2000s you had a Sheedy agro vibe. Black and Farmer were pretty crude but the Essendon boys Solomon and Mark Johnson

Mark Johnson

Age

46

Ht

179cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.2

3star

pushed you into a new level of loose behaviour. And then Josh Carr

Josh Carr

Age

44

Ht

179cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

returned. But personally I've always hated Geelong and Sydney more than Fremantle.

Your best players ever are Mundy and Pav followed by McFarlane and Sandilands. The giant made Nat look good with his dominant ruck work, but Mundy always was the one who could go inside or out and create. Ditto Pav. Mundy's left the biggest hole. How do you find that type of player? I don't know. I think you'll need to bring
Young into the middle because he's a highly talented, and could make a difference. Without his size around the contest, how will you battle the best midfields?

 

[rgauci]

Why all the chat about McGovern as a free agent when Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

is a free agent end of 2024?

No shuffling of the magnets required. Thank me later.

 

[Mags98]

I don't dislike you blokes. Your team in the 90s was different and had talent for days. Just struggled to deal with Neesham's structure's which were wild.

But then in the early 2000s you had a Sheedy agro vibe. Black and Farmer were pretty crude but the Essendon boys Solomon and Mark Johnson pushed you into a new level of loose behaviour. And then Josh Carr returned. But personally I've always hated Geelong and Sydney more than Fremantle.

Your best players ever are Mundy and Pav followed by McFarlane and Sandilands. The giant made Nat look good with his dominant ruck work, but Mundy always was the one who could go inside or out and create. Ditto Pav. Mundy's left the biggest hole. How do you find that type of player? I don't know. I think you'll need to bring
Young into the middle because he's a highly talented, and could make a difference. Without his size around the contest, how will you battle the best midfields?

think theres a hesitance to put young in the middle because his marking is so strong, think were more likely to see chapman run through there instead. though in saying that, not sure the clubs has really made it out that they want to make either of those moves

 

[Dockeroo]

I don't dislike you blokes. Your team in the 90s was different and had talent for days. Just struggled to deal with Neesham's structure's which were wild.

But then in the early 2000s you had a Sheedy agro vibe. Black and Farmer were pretty crude but the Essendon boys Solomon and Mark Johnson pushed you into a new level of loose behaviour. And then Josh Carr returned. But personally I've always hated Geelong and Sydney more than Fremantle.

Your best players ever are Mundy and Pav followed by McFarlane and Sandilands. The giant made Nat look good with his dominant ruck work, but Mundy always was the one who could go inside or out and create. Ditto Pav. Mundy's left the biggest hole. How do you find that type of player? I don't know. I think you'll need to bring
Young into the middle because he's a highly talented, and could make a difference. Without his size around the contest, how will you battle the best midfields?

You forgot a player who averaged 1.1 Brownlow votes for his first 190 games there.
Mark my words we will never anything like that ever again in the AFL

 

[freo_leo29]

You forgot a player who averaged 1.1 Brownlow votes for his first 190 games there.
Mark my words we will never anything like that ever again in the AFL

No, he was "subtly" attacking him

That was a main point of his post

 

[Lach72]

Why all the chat about McGovern as a free agent when Oscar Allen is a free agent end of 2024?

No shuffling of the magnets required. Thank me later.

this is the sort of stuff I’d prefer…and there’s also something to be said for taking 2 or three drafts in total, because it significantly smooths out the tpp, and allows some sweetening of deals for current players.

I feel like apart from another KPF to partner Amiss we’re largely covered with competent players in all areas.

I’m not averse to sitting on our hands trade wise unless it’s a swap for equal level players while we draft hard to address other areas.
KPF, small and medium forwards. Big bodied midfielder if Erasmus doesn’t come on.

 

[Ge3ks]

Mundy's left the biggest hole. How do you find that type of player? I don't know.

David Mundy has publicly rated Matthew Johnson as being a better version of himself. Mundy 2.0

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why all the chat about McGovern as a free agent when Oscar Allen is a free agent end of 2024?

No shuffling of the magnets required. Thank me later.

I honestly think we’d have more chance getting Curnow then Allen which is to say we are never ever getting Allen

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why don't we try and pick up the next Pickett, Naughton, McDonald etc in future drafts?

Big trades cost us too much draft capital and/or salary cap. It very rarely works out. It's not basketball where one player will drastically change the fortunes of a team. We can't do a West Coast and destroy our depth for one player. We have 22 playing each week and depth will become more and more important if the league shifts towards Collingwood's fast/attacking gameplan. Players will get run down and there will be loads more injuries. There's a reason why we have a short injury list under Jlo's conservative chip-kick approach.

We have the same discussion on trading every year. And I agree that we should never rule out trades. But we should be going for the low cost trades (i.e what we did for Aish, Brodie or what Carlton gave up for Acres). We've already got one big fish in Jackson. IMO another one could cripple us in the future. No matter how good you're doing, you always need good youth coming through to give the team energy. We wouldn't be able to cope with multiple years without a first or second round pick.

The time for drafting a key forward with this list is gone I think. Andy will literally be 30 by the time any KPF we draft this year (without a good pick either) is close to what we need, and that’s if they are any good and not a Schache.

Drafting is the cheapest way to bring in talent, it’s also the slowest.

 

[arsesmart]

Why don't we try and pick up the next Pickett, Naughton, McDonald etc in future drafts?

Big trades cost us too much draft capital and/or salary cap. It very rarely works out. It's not basketball where one player will drastically change the fortunes of a team. We can't do a West Coast and destroy our depth for one player. We have 22 playing each week and depth will become more and more important if the league shifts towards Collingwood's fast/attacking gameplan. Players will get run down and there will be loads more injuries. There's a reason why we have a short injury list under Jlo's conservative chip-kick approach.

We have the same discussion on trading every year. And I agree that we should never rule out trades. But we should be going for the low cost trades (i.e what we did for Aish, Brodie or what Carlton gave up for Acres). We've already got one big fish in Jackson. IMO another one could cripple us in the future. No matter how good you're doing, you always need good youth coming through to give the team energy. We wouldn't be able to cope with multiple years without a first or second round pick.

We're constantly looking to do that with the picks we have.

Draft picks are a currency whose value is tied to certainty/risk.

Clubs will therefore see more value in the added certainty in players who have exposed excellence in the AFL environment (so are therefore worth more than the picks).

Of course, the wrinkle is this is done without knowing which players are available at the pick(s) that have been traded. But hey that's an added uncertainty.

Obviously, the state of contention of the list (as understood by the club) will impact how they view that futures/risk trade-off.

 

[Spirit Level]

So what are we going to have to give up for JVR

Dare I say if we had drafted him Amiss and Johnson we're be in a really good place right now (benefit of hindsight though, we had no way of knowing Johnson would last to the 2nd round)