List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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But were you happy with it in the first half?
I50s were poor. Took magic from our smalls to add score board pressure.
It’s a work in progress.

I have been screaming from the rooftops wanting more medium fwd options and less lumbering ones eg;Tabs and Treacy.
 

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I think the dire need of the 2nd KPF is overstated. It certainly would be easier with two quality KPFs, but its been done without it recently;

Dogs 2016
Richmond 2017
Pies 2018 (bar Sheed's kick)
Even we ran Hawks real close in 2013 with just Pav

If one falls in our lap we take it, but we should absolutely be looking for a different way to skin that cat.

I'm still just drafting one in the top 20 ASAP and making do with Jackson/Tabs/Kuek etc in the next 4 years.
I suppose if there's a case for non-elite forwardlines winning a flag it's the Pies even if they havent won a flag yet. Of those teams you mention they all had a superstar mid/fwd though (Fyfe, Martin, DeGoey) bar the Dogs who had young Bont and we have nothing like that and arent drafting anything like that.

By far the most likely way for us to get the offensive power we need to win a flag with this list is by trading in a 24 year old prime KPF. I still dont really think we can do it any other way tbh
 
I got shut down a while ago for posting this but I still maintain, Sturt is the key to unlocking our FWD line.
Realistically though, at this point, for him to be a handy best 22 contributor is the best case scenario. It would be extremely unlikely for him to become Fritsch 2.0, that stuff just rarely happens. I think he can make the forwardline better but there's still a lack of forwardline talent that would hold the list back from going as far as it can
 
I think the dire need of the 2nd KPF is overstated. It certainly would be easier with two quality KPFs, but its been done without it recently;

Dogs 2016
Richmond 2017
Pies 2018 (bar Sheed's kick)
Even we ran Hawks real close in 2013 with just Pav

If one falls in our lap we take it, but we should absolutely be looking for a different way to skin that cat.

I'm still just drafting one in the top 20 ASAP and making do with Jackson/Tabs/Kuek etc in the next 4 years.
I agree you don't need your second or third most important forwards to be tall, they just need to be good enough to command an opponent (I.e. they have to think before zoning off).
 
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In an ideal world Sturt comes good but we'd still need another AFL level KPF and maybe a small forward.

Then there's what to do with Schultz, Switta and Freddy. All three are AFL standard in some capacity imo but we may be better off moving one of them up the ground.
 
In an ideal world Sturt comes good but we'd still need another AFL level KPF and maybe a small forward.

Then there's what to do with Schultz, Switta and Freddy. All three are AFL standard in some capacity imo but we may be better off moving one of them up the ground.
we already do tbf, though not on the team sheet. they all push up high to the contest, with switta particularly getting rotations in the middle and then we get one of them one out deep forward which is when we look the best. but that requires fast and incisive ball movement from our backline which has been lacking lately
 
But were you happy with it in the first half?
It looked dangerous - ball didn’t get down there enough. Amiss dropped an early one and Jackson looked lively which a couple of times freed up Walters to mark at the back. The bigger issues in the first half were our mids were getting beat and we had way too many turnovers around 41 if I remember correctly (only another 16 thereafter). Many of these were coming of defensive 50 or around the middle of the ground.
 
It looked dangerous - ball didn’t get down there enough. Amiss dropped an early one and Jackson looked lively which a couple of times freed up Walters to mark at the back. The bigger issues in the first half were our mids were getting beat and we had way too many turnovers around 41 if I remember correctly (only another 16 thereafter). Many of these were coming of defensive 50 or around the middle of the ground.
Biggest issue in the first half is no one laying a finger on Lukosious
 

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They were both issues as big as another. Letting Lukosious roam between half forward and Wing with no opponent was ludicrous and the turnovers played into that advantage.
Agreed, the biggest problem for me is why didn't we have a plan for Lukosius from the beginning and then we didn't we adjust earlier as it was pretty clear there was a structural problem.

The turnovers appeared to be largely execution driven, although sometimes it looked like we weren't running hard enough to create easier options.
Glass half full is it was just a bad period, glass half empty would be we're lacking good ball users.
 
I suppose if there's a case for non-elite forwardlines winning a flag it's the Pies even if they havent won a flag yet. Of those teams you mention they all had a superstar mid/fwd though (Fyfe, Martin, DeGoey) bar the Dogs who had young Bont and we have nothing like that and arent drafting anything like that.

By far the most likely way for us to get the offensive power we need to win a flag with this list is by trading in a 24 year old prime KPF. I still dont really think we can do it any other way tbh
I think you're making a better case for finding the superstar mid/forward than KPF. Because if you think both are essential, we're ****ed but those teams did it with just the mid. So lets find the mid instead.

Also, I thought Jackson was supposed to be our generational talent ala Fyfe, Dusty, Bont? If he's not then WTAF were we doing chasing him?
Realistically though, at this point, for him to be a handy best 22 contributor is the best case scenario. It would be extremely unlikely for him to become Fritsch 2.0, that stuff just rarely happens. I think he can make the forwardline better but there's still a lack of forwardline talent that would hold the list back from going as far as it can
Fritsch was drafted at 21 (well he turned 21 like a month after the draft). It's not that unrealistic especially given Sturt was injured for his first two seasons and phoning it in for his second two.

His attributes give him a much higher ceiling than best 22 but I concede he is far from a guarantee to get there.
 
I think you're making a better case for finding the superstar mid/forward than KPF. Because if you think both are essential, we're ****ed but those teams did it with just the mid. So lets find the mid instead.



Fritsch was drafted at 21 (well he turned 21 like a month after the draft). It's not that unrealistic especially given Sturt was injured for his first two seasons and phoning it in for his second two.

His attributes give him a much higher ceiling than best 22 but I concede he is far from a guarantee to get there.
Nah, dont think both are essential, I think one of them is essential and I think the top 5 player in the comp mid/fwd power athletes are very very hard to find and you certainly cant trade for him. IMO, trading for a gun KPF like Naughton and drafting more forward talent around him and Amiss is clearly our best way to a premiership
 
Nah, dont think both are essential, I think one of them is essential and I think the top 5 player in the comp mid/fwd power athletes are very very hard to find and you certainly cant trade for him. IMO, trading for a gun KPF like Naughton and drafting more forward talent around him and Amiss is clearly our best way to a premiership
So that would mean if we miss Naughton that we're ****ed? (possibly McDonald or someone else not yet proven)

That's like saying if Cameron or Hawkins got injured for 20 weeks last year, they couldn't win the flag. Maybe it is true, but I am not sure it is. I hope our coaching panel is more creative than that.
 
So that would mean if we miss Naughton that we're ****ed? (possibly McDonald or someone else not yet proven)

That's like saying if Cameron or Hawkins got injured for 20 weeks last year, they couldn't win the flag. Maybe it is true, but I am not sure it is.
If they dont have one of them all of last year then yeah, I dont think they could win a flag. Just look at how shit they are with an underdone Hawkins despite Cameron playing out his arse. The elite KPF makes basically everyone's life easier.

I think we would be capable of playing a lot of finals footy but I struggle to see us winning a flag any time soon (next 5 years?) if we dont bring in a gun KPF at least as old as Amiss. I suppose I'd settle for Pickett level of small forward and maybe we can scrounge something together that's good enough but we have to find at least one other AA quality forward - the KPF just makes it easiest
 
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Posted in another thread but this is my thoughts about our forward line:

It’s the most important part of the ground. We are not going to win a premiership without a well functioning one.

When Fyfe comes back, who does he replace and where should he be positioned? I personally don’t think he should be anywhere near Amiss or inside forward 50. I reckon the best position for Fyfe is 60-90 metres from the goal to present a contest. Forget goals, if he can take 7or 8 marks and get 15 possessions and 5 or more score involvements he’s had a good game.

Who will be the best key forward to compliment Amiss? Not sure it is Jackson. Not sure it is Treacy and it definitely is not Tabs. Maybe we just haven’t found them yet…. Or maybe it’s someone left field like keuk. We desperately need to find that person. (Naughton or himmleberg….)

How do we get another 3 years out of Sonny? Cause Amiss probably won’t be hitting his straps for another 50 games.

There is a lot of figuring out in the forward line to be done before we become a decent team in my opinion….and, to be perfectly frank, when the match day committee fails to play Amiss or Johnson in round 1, then drops Brodie from the midfield, I begin to have my doubts on their wisdom.
 
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