List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Taylor]

Not expecting to lose him but down the rabbit hole we go... Hawks paying enough for Schultz to get an end of first round pick that is traded for Pickett would start the discussions about whether that was always in play with our dealings last season at the end of trade week.

 

[Alfonz]

i dont think so, pretty sure Amon and Impey had similar deals and were 2nd round compos

Age is also a key component in the mystery compo calculation. Amon was 27. If he was under 26 (like Schultz would be) it probably would have been an end of 1st round pick. Then you factor in the "it's Freo, not Sydney or Collingwood" rule, and it probably moves back to a 2nd rounder.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I like Schultz too but say Hawthorn come in with a 6 year deal worth $600k do you let him go for pick 7 in return?

I dont think that would get pick 7, it's more about the per year deal as the total number of years which is why the Daniher deal was structured how it was. I actually think if Hawks were dumb enough to offer him 900k a year, the AFL would do the same thing they did with Richmond when they lost Ellis and nudge down a band to make more sense. Basically, there's no world we'd get band 1 for Schultz and I dont think I'd be losing another best 22 player for pick 20 if I had the choice

 

[freo1997]

Rather Shultz than Pickett.

 

[freo1997]

Rather Shultz than Pickett.

Do think we need to draft a quality FP.

Shultz is a heart and soul player. You can’t buy that.

Tired of recruiting big names.

 

[Taylor]

Rather Shultz than Pickett.

Schultz v Pickett on score involvements:
2023 Schultz is +6 for the year, Schultz 6.6 per game, Pickett 9 per game.
2022 Schultz 4.9 per game, Pickett 4.7 per game

Last year they were basically the same player when it came to scoreboard impact with Pickett kicking more off his own boot from 0.4 shots at goal more per game.

 

[freo1997]

Schultz v Pickett on score involvements:
2023 Schultz is +6 for the year, Schultz 6.6 per game, Pickett 9 per game.
2022 Schultz 4.9 per game, Pickett 4.7 per game

Last year they were basically the same player when it came to scoreboard impact with Pickett kicking more off his own boot from 0.4 shots at goal more per game.

The way I see it…Freddy would do more damage than Pickett if he played for Dees. Freddy loves the club. Comparing him with Freddy as they have similar attributes.

Shultz is different to Pickett, but a good moneyball player.

Pickett in a Fremantle system would be just as inconsistent as Freddy and don’t see why we need two of the same.

Do think we need to draft a Sonny replacement, without forking out big biccys.

 

[Taylor]

The way I see it…Freddy would do more damage than Pickett if he played for Dees. Freddy loves the club. Comparing him with Freddy as they have similar attributes.

Shultz is different to Pickett, but a good moneyball player.

Pickett in a Fremantle system would be just as inconsistent as Freddy and don’t see why we need two of the same.

Do think we need to draft a Sonny replacement, without forking out big biccys.

I agree. I think there is room for Picket to improve which is the value add in a trade for Freo bringing him in, but that's with a trade price of a future first.

When Aiden O'Driscoll is in the draft this year..

 

[wakojako]

I agree. I think there is room for Picket to improve which is the value add in a trade for Freo bringing him in, but that's with a trade price of a future first.

When Aiden O'Driscoll is in the draft this year..

He's 177 cm

 

[Spirit Level]

I think Motlop is the one we should be going after

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'm flip flopping between my preference of Naughton or Pickett if given a choice but I think it'd be Naughton.

I dont need stats to tell me Pickett is a significantly better player than Schultz but a quality small forward is one you can get in the draft without a top pick and they probably come on and make a difference faster than any other position on the ground

 

[freo1997]

I'm flip flopping between my preference of Naughton or Pickett if given a choice but I think it'd be Naughton.

I dont need stats to tell me Pickett is a significantly better player than Schultz but a quality small forward is one you can get in the draft without a top pick and they probably come on and make a difference faster than any other position on the ground

Naughton has no interest coming to Freo.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Naughton has no interest coming to Freo.

Disagree, there is definitely interest, just not sure if enough interest

 

[Spirit Level]

If the bottom does completely fall out this year, do we walk Motlop to the PSD if he wants to come home?

Would that soften the blow of not having a first round pick?

 

[Paracleet]

I'm flip flopping between my preference of Naughton or Pickett if given a choice but I think it'd be Naughton.

I dont need stats to tell me Pickett is a significantly better player than Schultz but a quality small forward is one you can get in the draft without a top pick and they probably come on and make a difference faster than any other position on the ground

'Can' is quite a way from 'will'. We could easily use 3 or 4 mid / late second to early third round picks a miss on small/ mid foward. I think we're taking the correct approach; bulk picks and hope we get lucky.
Look at the goal kickers list right now for instance. Of all the players in double figures who aren't key forwards only 1 was taken between pick 11 and pick 53. The rest are all high first rounders or rookie picks.

Ditto last year. Only 2 players with 30 goals plus was originally a second or third rounder. One of those was Bolton who is half a midfielder.

 

[Paracleet]

I think what I'm suggesting here btw is that the foward craft you need to kick 40 instead of 25 is independent of a lot of physical attributes: that's why so many top mid / small fowards are rookie picks or taken at age 19 / 20. They always had the craft but didn't stand out for either athleticism or tank as under agers and had to work acquire them, particularly the latter.

 

[Wilksyy]

I wouldn’t mind if Freo just deal with their draft hand and bring it back to deficit. Stop trading futures.

 

[Dockeroo]

I see a massive difference in price between Naughton and Pickett. Naughton is a Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

level price while Pickett can be got for a single first round pick I reckon

 

[Spirit Level]

I get the appeal with Naughton, but I dunno I feel like I would tear my hair out watching him kick 2.6 every week

 

[freo1997]

Just stop with selling the farm. Done with the trade table.
Draft or F/A.

We have Amiss and Jackson. Core nucleus is there. Done with big fish.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Docker82 has said similar but those wanting to go to the draft to plug the glaring KPF gap are almost conceding winning a flag IMO. The list is young but not young enough to wait for us to draft Amiss's partner so your options are as follows:
1) Back Jackson to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- This is a waste of Jackson IMO because he's not a genuine forward and his best use is as much around the ball as possible
2) Back Treacy to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- He's not a number 1 KPF IMO, his best WAFL games are always the ones he gets up around the ground as much as possible.
3) Trade for the KPF you want to pair with Amiss
4) Back Tabs to beat basically 10 years of injury history to play similar to that year he got AA squad
5) Back Fyfe to beat 5 years of injury history to be the KPF we need

I just dont think any option other than 3 wins a flag in the next 6 years, we can hang around the finals but Amiss is too young to carry us by himself and as far as I'm concerned, he could be early career Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

and there's still not enough talent around him as it stands to win a flag anyway. This is not to mention we dont even have our top pick this year so we'd need to hit the lotto to even draft a decent KPF to put next to Amiss.

 

[Joao]

Docker82 has said similar but those wanting to go to the draft to plug the glaring KPF gap are almost conceding winning a flag IMO. The list is young but not young enough to wait for us to draft Amiss's partner so your options are as follows:
1) Back Jackson to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- This is a waste of Jackson IMO because he's not a genuine forward and his best use is as much around the ball as possible
2) Back Treacy to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- He's not a number 1 KPF IMO, his best WAFL games are always the ones he gets up around the ground as much as possible.
3) Trade for the KPF you want to pair with Amiss
4) Back Tabs to beat basically 10 years of injury history to play similar to that year he got AA squad
5) Back Fyfe to beat 5 years of injury history to be the KPF we need

I just dont think any option other than 3 wins a flag in the next 6 years, we can hang around the finals but Amiss is too young to carry us by himself and as far as I'm concerned, he could be early career Jeremy Cameron and there's still not enough talent around him as it stands to win a flag anyway. This is not to mention we dont even have our top pick this year so we'd need to hit the lotto to even draft a decent KPF to put next to Amiss.

I think the dire need of the 2nd KPF is overstated. It certainly would be easier with two quality KPFs, but its been done without it recently;

Dogs 2016
Richmond 2017
Pies 2018 (bar Sheed's kick)
Even we ran Hawks real close in 2013 with just Pav

If one falls in our lap we take it, but we should absolutely be looking for a different way to skin that cat.

I'm still just drafting one in the top 20 ASAP and making do with Jackson/Tabs/Kuek etc in the next 4 years.

 

[DragoDelph]

Docker82 has said similar but those wanting to go to the draft to plug the glaring KPF gap are almost conceding winning a flag IMO. The list is young but not young enough to wait for us to draft Amiss's partner so your options are as follows:
1) Back Jackson to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- This is a waste of Jackson IMO because he's not a genuine forward and his best use is as much around the ball as possible
2) Back Treacy to be a genuine 40 goal KPF to pair with Amiss
- He's not a number 1 KPF IMO, his best WAFL games are always the ones he gets up around the ground as much as possible.
3) Trade for the KPF you want to pair with Amiss
4) Back Tabs to beat basically 10 years of injury history to play similar to that year he got AA squad
5) Back Fyfe to beat 5 years of injury history to be the KPF we need

I just dont think any option other than 3 wins a flag in the next 6 years, we can hang around the finals but Amiss is too young to carry us by himself and as far as I'm concerned, he could be early career Jeremy Cameron and there's still not enough talent around him as it stands to win a flag anyway. This is not to mention we dont even have our top pick this year so we'd need to hit the lotto to even draft a decent KPF to put next to Amiss.

what about 6)

 

[freo1997]

I think the dire need of the 2nd KPF is overstated. It certainly would be easier with two quality KPFs, but its been done without it recently;

Dogs 2016
Richmond 2017
Pies 2018 (bar Sheed's kick)
Even we ran Hawks real close in 2013 with just Pav

If one falls in our lap we take it, but we should absolutely be looking for a different way to skin that cat.

I'm still just drafting one in the top 20 ASAP and making do with Jackson/Tabs/Kuek etc in the next 4 years.

Amiss and Jackson definitely.

For me we need one of Sturt or Corbett to fire as a Bailey Fristz style option.

 

[Joao]

Amiss and Jackson definitely.

For me we need one of Sturt or Corbett to fire as a Bailey Fristz style option.

I think Sturt is substantially more talented. Lets hope he comes on.