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[FlowersByIrene]

why not just say 'odd'.

And insult the oddites?

 

[KnaveyBlue]

No doubt weiters poor form or lack of communication or whatever it is would also be having an impact but Im more concerned at the punching the ball when he could mark, and trying to mark when he should punch...and when he has the ball in hand he sometimes looks very indecisive about what to do next.

I think the scam would have had a huge effect on him. He's obviously a very smart guy, and his intellect would be a strength that was probably respected by the other players. To be bested in an area that is your #1 strength hurts, and without being too dramatic, could cause a sort of identity crisis and make him question himself, and prompt a massive loss in confidence.

"I got scammed and I'm supposed to be 'the smart guy'... so much for that."

It would have hit him far harder than it would your average meathead player.

 

[Accidental genius]

I think the scam would have had a huge effect on him. He's obviously a very smart guy, and his intellect would be a strength that was probably respected by the other players. To be bested in an area that is your #1 strength hurts, and without being too dramatic, could cause a sort of identity crisis and make him question himself, and prompt a massive loss in confidence.

"I got scammed and I'm supposed to be 'the smart guy'... so much for that."

It would have hit him far harder than it would your average meathead player.

I know exactly what you mean….I’m in a similar boat…got scammed and am known as a bit of a genius (even if accidental). I felt exactly how you put it. Bit embarrassing.

Bank reimbursed me though and it wasn’t anywhere like life savings.

 

[Accidental genius]

I think the scam would have had a huge effect on him. He's obviously a very smart guy, and his intellect would be a strength that was probably respected by the other players. To be bested in an area that is your #1 strength hurts, and without being too dramatic, could cause a sort of identity crisis and make him question himself, and prompt a massive loss in confidence.

"I got scammed and I'm supposed to be 'the smart guy'... so much for that."

It would have hit him far harder than it would your average meathead player.

Double liked for the “average meathead player”

 

[Juddernaut08]

And insult the oddites?

Don't really care about the offense/insult - but he'd have to use much less words to get across the same point. And odd is used in that context more commonly than queer.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Who cares? What is this 1984? Leave the guy alone it's off putting

Poor writing style using redundant words is poor. Shouldn't we all be striving for improvement?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Had a good look at our VFL team and the AFL team this week and here are my observations.

Player development could not be any worse.

Mirkov and O'Keefe can ruck and can only yet both had significant forward time.

DeKoning played solely ruck. Despite the fact that our senior team is crying out for a genuine forward/ruck. Despite the fact that it's his forward craft that he needs to work on the most. Anyone with half a clue would know that Mirkov and O'Keefe should have taken ruck duties and DeKoning should have split his time between full forward and CHF. That way he can come into the team and replace Silvagni.

Dow. Dow is spending all his time on the ball. Last season he spent time forward and did that well. This season he has spent no forward time at all. What our AFL team needs desperately is a quick midfielder who can go forward. Why not develop Dow this way? Watch him go to another club and do well in this role.

Lemmy. He gets left at full forward and struggle, hardly touches the ball. Throw him back, throw him in the ruck, get him involved in the play. This is not player development.

It's not player development education players to play just one position and one position only.


List makeup
Too many players who can't play football at all. Mirkov should not be on an AFL list at all. Who made that decision? VFL list yes but not AFL.

There are no small forwards in our VFL side who can come in. Durdin and Motlop should not be playing but there is no one to replace them with. Really disappointing how we did not draft a small forward last year. We need to go harder at forwards.

Our Best 22 for this year

Newman Weitering Young
Saad McGovern Docherty
Acres Cripps Hollands
Motlop Silvagni Owies
Durdin Curnow McKay
Pittonet Cerra Walsh
Kennedy Hewett Cottrell Curnow

Backline
Top end of that team is out of form. Intercept players are underperforming due to poor pressure in the middle. Docherty spending too much time on the ball. Newman, as good as he is is too slow. Young is borderline. Weitering and McGovern are half the players they were last season, again probably due to poor pressure up the ground.

Midfield
Cripps is a big slow extractor who should be feeding the other players around him but he isn't. He's trying to clear it with kicking too often. He's quality, have to have him in there. Hewett was cheap for a reason, he would be good if we didn't have players like that or it was 5 years ago when the game was more congested, his running and kicking don't fit our needs. Same goes for Kenney, was recruited when the game was more congested and we thought we needed another player like Cripps. Cerra and Walsh are decent runners but don't position properly and provide the overlap run they should. Acres and Hollands have been good. Hollands is still very raw but for his first year he's been good, helps he's number 2 winger with Acres in the team. Ed Curnow is more of the same for us. What you would not give to have Judd in that side.

Forward Line
Two very poorly coached tall forwards there. Neither have a clue how to negate intercept players like Moore. I don't rate any of the smalls. Durdin tries hard but he's stopped kicking goals. Owies does kick goals but he's bloody slow. Motlop does neither, he's nowhere near fit enough. Silvagni is not good enough overhead for the third tall role and too slow for a small role and not strong enough in the ruck. Our forward line is two talented tall forwards who are poorly coached surrounded by slow journeymen.

Solution
Get Dow into the team as a forward/mid. If it fails recruit.
Get DeKoning into the team as a forward/ruck. If it fails recruit.
Get some bloody decent assistant coaches in.
Replace Newman with Kemp and start looking towards the future. Or Just get Kemp in there some how!
Need to hit the recruitment path hard for quick forwards. Collingwood grabbed Bobby Hill and have got him playing really well. Get players like that.
Another quick Jet in defence. Saad can't be the token fast guy down there.
Some speed and run in the middle.
Work on having players front and centre when we go long to talls.
Work on how our team negates intercept defenders.
Move past Newman, Silvagni, Hewett, Kennedy and if our small forwards don't improve then Durdin, Owies, Motlop as well. Those three IMO need to get fitter, Durdin needs to move into the middle. Would not be at all surprised if Motlop is moved to half back at some stage in his career.
Need an assistant coach who was a good small forward.

Fk man I almost always find your posts better than any news article or TV analysis. This is no exception.

 

[Blue1980]

I’m half expecting our next re-signing to be a 6 year JSOS deal worth 200k a season.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

I know everybody will, but what will / should we do?
I don’t care about anybody else.

Carlton> Cripps Fisher Carrol + 1st
Wet Toast> 1st+2nd

Anyone apart from Charlie, Walsh and Cerra would not faze me one iota tbh.

 

[found object]

Might be of interest? Approx half way through, Dow and Kemps manager discusses both players. Nothing too enlightening/new, but mentions Kemps injuries and Dow upbeat etc

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[Bletch]

Carlton> Cripps Fisher Carrol + 1st
Wet Toast> 1st+2nd

Anyone apart from Charlie, Walsh and Cerra would not faze me one iota tbh.

No way the Toasters do that.
Cripps, at 28, reigning Brownlow medalist, but having a poorish year (for him). Market value - maybe similar to what we got Saad for, a pick in lower half of top 10.
Fisher - a pick in the 40s.
Carroll - zip. A late pick swap at best.
Packaged - perhaps around pick 5 or 6.
But reality for the Toasters is that they're in for a long rebuild. Cripps wouldn't be anywhere on their radar, they'd be looking to dish off players of value at his age and older for extra picks. Freo a better chance of having some interest than WCE.

But lets play it out a little. Say for some reason, Cripps wanted to go home, Wet Toast wanted him, and we were willing to let him go. The way they'd go about it would be to trade pick 1 to the likes of GWS (who have 2 picks likely in top 10), and use the lower one to get Cripps (probably Richmond's pick).

I just don't see it happening.

 

[Kramer1]

Poor writing style using redundant words is poor. Shouldn't we all be striving for improvement?

What's reduntant about queer?

 

[Juddernaut08]

What's reduntant about queer?

That he had to clarify when 'odd' could be used is where there is redundancy. This should be obvious.


Edit: "I like tomato and Coon (the cheese brand, not the slur) toasties." vs "I like tomato and cheese toasties."

Edit 2: "There was a chink (the definition, not the slur) in the wall." vs "There was a crack in the wall."

 

[Kramer1]

That he had to clarify when 'odd' could be used is where there is redundancy. This should be obvious.

Well, there are real and perceived sensitivities attached. Maybe jumping at shadows, but seems a little high handed to be calling people out for using a perfectly apt adjective...clarification or no.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Well, there are real and perceived sensitivities attached. Maybe jumping at shadows, but seems a little high handed to be calling people out for using a perfectly apt adjective...clarification or no.

Perhaps. I really only meant it as a throwaway comment, but seems to have hit a nerve with a few!

 

[The Bighouse]

+ Newman unless I've missed something?

Yep, you’re right. Skipped over him.

 

[The Bighouse]

Carlton> Cripps Fisher Carrol + 1st
Wet Toast> 1st+2nd

Anyone apart from Charlie, Walsh and Cerra would not faze me one iota tbh.

Maybe stop recruiting from WA.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

No way the Toasters do that.
Cripps, at 28, reigning Brownlow medalist, but having a poorish year (for him). Market value - maybe similar to what we got Saad for, a pick in lower half of top 10.
Fisher - a pick in the 40s.
Carroll - zip. A late pick swap at best.
Packaged - perhaps around pick 5 or 6.
But reality for the Toasters is that they're in for a long rebuild. Cripps wouldn't be anywhere on their radar, they'd be looking to dish off players of value at his age and older for extra picks. Freo a better chance of having some interest than WCE.

But lets play it out a little. Say for some reason, Cripps wanted to go home, Wet Toast wanted him, and we were willing to let him go. The way they'd go about it would be to trade pick 1 to the likes of GWS (who have 2 picks likely in top 10), and use the lower one to get Cripps (probably Richmond's pick).

I just don't see it happening.

Yep' it's a wait and see.
We could also pay part of Cripps and part or all off Fishers contract there's plenty of ways to make it more lucrative.
Turning over every stone right now is our go because if he wants back to Vic in a couple of years it is going to be near impossible with the Campo twins coming through so our time is now or never.

 

[Monty1978]

Had a good look at our VFL team and the AFL team this week and here are my observations.

Player development could not be any worse.

Mirkov and O'Keefe can ruck and can only yet both had significant forward time.

DeKoning played solely ruck. Despite the fact that our senior team is crying out for a genuine forward/ruck. Despite the fact that it's his forward craft that he needs to work on the most. Anyone with half a clue would know that Mirkov and O'Keefe should have taken ruck duties and DeKoning should have split his time between full forward and CHF. That way he can come into the team and replace Silvagni.

Dow. Dow is spending all his time on the ball. Last season he spent time forward and did that well. This season he has spent no forward time at all. What our AFL team needs desperately is a quick midfielder who can go forward. Why not develop Dow this way? Watch him go to another club and do well in this role.

Lemmy. He gets left at full forward and struggle, hardly touches the ball. Throw him back, throw him in the ruck, get him involved in the play. This is not player development.

It's not player development education players to play just one position and one position only.


List makeup
Too many players who can't play football at all. Mirkov should not be on an AFL list at all. Who made that decision? VFL list yes but not AFL.

There are no small forwards in our VFL side who can come in. Durdin and Motlop should not be playing but there is no one to replace them with. Really disappointing how we did not draft a small forward last year. We need to go harder at forwards.

Our Best 22 for this year

Newman Weitering Young
Saad McGovern Docherty
Acres Cripps Hollands
Motlop Silvagni Owies
Durdin Curnow McKay
Pittonet Cerra Walsh
Kennedy Hewett Cottrell Curnow

Backline
Top end of that team is out of form. Intercept players are underperforming due to poor pressure in the middle. Docherty spending too much time on the ball. Newman, as good as he is is too slow. Young is borderline. Weitering and McGovern are half the players they were last season, again probably due to poor pressure up the ground.

Midfield
Cripps is a big slow extractor who should be feeding the other players around him but he isn't. He's trying to clear it with kicking too often. He's quality, have to have him in there. Hewett was cheap for a reason, he would be good if we didn't have players like that or it was 5 years ago when the game was more congested, his running and kicking don't fit our needs. Same goes for Kenney, was recruited when the game was more congested and we thought we needed another player like Cripps. Cerra and Walsh are decent runners but don't position properly and provide the overlap run they should. Acres and Hollands have been good. Hollands is still very raw but for his first year he's been good, helps he's number 2 winger with Acres in the team. Ed Curnow is more of the same for us. What you would not give to have Judd in that side.

Forward Line
Two very poorly coached tall forwards there. Neither have a clue how to negate intercept players like Moore. I don't rate any of the smalls. Durdin tries hard but he's stopped kicking goals. Owies does kick goals but he's bloody slow. Motlop does neither, he's nowhere near fit enough. Silvagni is not good enough overhead for the third tall role and too slow for a small role and not strong enough in the ruck. Our forward line is two talented tall forwards who are poorly coached surrounded by slow journeymen.

Solution
Get Dow into the team as a forward/mid. If it fails recruit.
Get DeKoning into the team as a forward/ruck. If it fails recruit.
Get some bloody decent assistant coaches in.
Replace Newman with Kemp and start looking towards the future. Or Just get Kemp in there some how!
Need to hit the recruitment path hard for quick forwards. Collingwood grabbed Bobby Hill and have got him playing really well. Get players like that.
Another quick Jet in defence. Saad can't be the token fast guy down there.
Some speed and run in the middle.
Work on having players front and centre when we go long to talls.
Work on how our team negates intercept defenders.
Move past Newman, Silvagni, Hewett, Kennedy and if our small forwards don't improve then Durdin, Owies, Motlop as well. Those three IMO need to get fitter, Durdin needs to move into the middle. Would not be at all surprised if Motlop is moved to half back at some stage in his career.
Need an assistant coach who was a good small forward.

This is a very good post … I wish someone at Carlton saw this and thought f me we have been doing it wrong

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Is this mirkovs last season ?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Is this mirkovs last season ?

It's his latest season.

 

[Bletch]

Is this mirkovs last season ?

He's contracted for 2024.

 

[Coona Blues]

Is this mirkovs last season ?

Contracted for another one.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

He's contracted for 2024.

Thanks

 

[Kramer1]

Is this mirkovs last season ?

He's a ruckman, so has an 8 year offer on the table.