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Draft Sanctions 2: Electric Boogaloo.Does "less than no chance" mean we might get a priority deselection?
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I daresay he may be under instruction to do so to a degree.
They probably think 20 games of Gov at 80% is better that 6 games of Gov at 100% and injured the rest of the year.
That's just a hypothesis.
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So if we do end up with pick 3 or 4
Surely wc would be open to a pick swap
Surely wc would be open to a pick swap
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Pick 3/4 and what?
As you know, there's a whole thread on the main board on what it would take to get the #1 pick off WCE.
The bottom line is that if Reid is open to leaving Victoria, they'd more than likely just pick him. If they consider him a flight risk, then it's game on. Some of the stuff being floated around on the main board though is ridiculous.
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Last player I remember being hyped like Reid was probably Walsh.. to get WC to give up Reid they would want a top 5 pick (our first) another first round and prob a future 1st..
With hindsight from 2018 draft would you prefer Sam Walsh or Bailey Smith (pick 7) + Aak Butters (pick 12) + Cody Weightman (2019 pick 15)
With hindsight from 2018 draft would you prefer Sam Walsh or Bailey Smith (pick 7) + Aak Butters (pick 12) + Cody Weightman (2019 pick 15)
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What is frustrating is that since Eddie retired we have lacked decent small forwards, yet Narkle was there for the taking but we were not brave enough..
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He’s not a small forward.
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Talk of trying to get pick 1 is slightly insane. We need more than 1 highly touted 18 year old so selling off even next years 1st when it would be a fair chance we finish bottom 6 (and yes I know about the Campo twins and it's extremely doubtful 1 is read out before our early pick).
They way we are going, fair possibility North move above us and the Hawks might go ahead of us this season. Only team I'm confident on being below us is the Eagles.
Take the early pick this year, trade off TDK, Dow, McGovern, Fisher and many more (or delist), but also 1 older guy on decent coin to get another really good pick. Try to get 4-5 picks inside the top 30 this year.
Grab Gresham, Ben McKay and maybe James Jordan (if we can fit it into the cap) then refresh this list with picks like 4, 10, 16, 25, 30.
Then in 2024 we take the top 4 pick, then the 2 Campo boys and within 2 or 3 years we will have a really strong list. We over indulged with ball winning slow players and it's time to make the change promptly to rectify our mistakes.
So 6 or 7 top 30 picks over the next 2 years, 2 x Campo boys and some players as mentioned before along with some good development will see us turn this around quickly and build on a team around Cerra, Walsh, Weitering, Charlie, Harry etc. These players have time on their side and if we don't pull the trigger this year, it will be a long way back once Doc, Cripps, Hewett etc become worse than what they have currently become.
They way we are going, fair possibility North move above us and the Hawks might go ahead of us this season. Only team I'm confident on being below us is the Eagles.
Take the early pick this year, trade off TDK, Dow, McGovern, Fisher and many more (or delist), but also 1 older guy on decent coin to get another really good pick. Try to get 4-5 picks inside the top 30 this year.
Grab Gresham, Ben McKay and maybe James Jordan (if we can fit it into the cap) then refresh this list with picks like 4, 10, 16, 25, 30.
Then in 2024 we take the top 4 pick, then the 2 Campo boys and within 2 or 3 years we will have a really strong list. We over indulged with ball winning slow players and it's time to make the change promptly to rectify our mistakes.
So 6 or 7 top 30 picks over the next 2 years, 2 x Campo boys and some players as mentioned before along with some good development will see us turn this around quickly and build on a team around Cerra, Walsh, Weitering, Charlie, Harry etc. These players have time on their side and if we don't pull the trigger this year, it will be a long way back once Doc, Cripps, Hewett etc become worse than what they have currently become.
Which is why it's unlikely any club would give up that much draft capital.
Cows reportedly offered North their pick #4 in 2021 as well as their two future 1sts for Horne-Francis. North told them to politely bugger off, and they ended up with Rachele, Rankin and Dawson with those picks.
IF Reid is a legit flight risk, they lose a fair bit of bargaining power - but some of the potential offers being floated around in the media are insane.
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As much as I think Harley is a gun I’d rather we get ourselves in a position to have 3 picks in the top 20 and get Watson, Caddy and Philactides than blow it all to get Harley.
How has Amon gone this year for HFC?
Haven’t seen any stats of note but did see his mug on the screen last week.
Dodged any bullet there.
Farrell has been an able replacement & a player type we could do with that can laser point a kick (Boyd our closest version just doesn’t move as well & is a righty).
Haven’t seen any stats of note but did see his mug on the screen last week.
Dodged any bullet there.
Farrell has been an able replacement & a player type we could do with that can laser point a kick (Boyd our closest version just doesn’t move as well & is a righty).
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I really want Harley but this is the common sense approach considering where we're at.
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This Nate Caddy kid has Mitch Owens look about him, could make an immediate impact in the 3rd forward role.. I wonder if we took him would it impact our decision to re-sign JSOS or McGovern.
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There’s every chance we would have to trade up (give an extra pick up) just to get Watson.
I can remember reading similar posts to this from Freo supporters when we were chasing Acres.
Poster is implying the player is better than the position they were drafted in.
I only responded to the list supplied by the poster. Which highlighted alot of players developed beyond their initial pick position, but almost all pre rebuild era.
My bad, 2015 draft, but first season is 2016.
Yes the original poster missed 3 players from 2015 we drafted. But Id suggest they are implying that these 3 were delivering at or around expectation? Dont know you would have to ask them...
Analysis on 2015 draft now...
Eg. weitering pick no1 has he exceeded pick1 as shown as clear standout of that draft if it was to happen again now.
Charlie Curnow poster missed, probably exceeded his draft position to be stand.out top 3 pick... with Oliver and Dunkley in contention
Harry McKay probably about right, maybe slightly up the order from pick 10
Cunningham was the other from that year, at pick 23. On exposed output, not potential does he match his draft position now?
I think the poster is trying to suggest that outside the obvious top picks, we are struggling to develop later picks into higher quality players than their drafted position.
JSOS for pick53 is an example of a player thay has exceeded. But the argument with him has always been if he didnt have the last name, would he have survived?
Picks after JSOS include Dawson at 56, Menegola at 66, Broad at 67
Rookie elevations include Saad, Harmes, Lambert, Sinclair
For me, its a slight on our recruiters finding gems in later rounds.
And our ability to develop talent outside of the obvious stand.outs
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There is no way we are getting a priority pick, for the incompent management of our footy club, its coaching selections (head to assistants) and player contracts / trading.Did not know which thread to put this in.
If our plight continues we will end up with pick 3.
We need to be asking for a priority pick for the reason Eddie stated on FC last night, "we are going to lose a generation of supporter base". The AFL cannot afford us being down for too much longer with the real chance of one of the competitions better revenue earners ceasing to do this.
If the priority pick happens, I would offer pick3, priority pick (has to be traded) and Fisher for pick 1 (Reid) not because he is the best junior in the land rather, he fits our needs. This scenario will only drop west coast back 2 positions avoiding flight risk gaining a good midfielder in Fisher who is playing out of position with us and would add plenty to them.
Can see the AFL ticking this off helping two high earning clubs in Carlton and West coast, giving hope to the supporter bases keeping them clicking through the gates is smart business.
Think a priority pick this year is real for us if we come in from the right angle.
That is totally farcical.
We should cede control to the AFL like Melbourne did and seek their assistance to turn us around with their expertise.
(Infact, with hindsight, we should have done this in the Pagan years, after the AFL sanctions created a mess for us on and off field).
That would be a far better, cap in hand discussion. More no1 picks wont fix our issues...
Harley Reid is the new Messiah. Time for the club and supporter base to get real, we need multiple picks inside 25... (think Port when they got Rozzee, Butters, Duursma in 1 draft haul).
Arguably Hardwick speak, is another Messiah complex issue as well. Id rather see investment in a team of quality smart coaches not in 1
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Austin is Curly Austins kid isnt he?
I'm not convinced on Austin at all. I am all for a change in this space as well, and clean out of recruitment team
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I think they need to sit around the table and work on a checklist or algorithm for recruiting. Too often we look for one or 2 qualities but don't tick the other boxes. Decision making, kicking, competitive, leg speed, clean hands, marking for potential forwards. Take Gresham as an example, or Acres - ticks a few boxes but not great kicks. The damage factor is limited by this.
Agreed. Blues Abroad made a good suggestion.
We should be grouping players in to kicking skills. Elite, average, poor.
Start there for list mgt.
And start there for recruiting.
Recollection, didnt SOS when he first took over implement some software to help identify talent... i think this was reported at the time... because SOS couldn't believe how outdated our recruitment and selection practices were?!
When SOS went, we cut the head, but kept the team below him. Brodie etc. Its time to change the team
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Lambert was a standout for the Northern Blues … yet we ignored him (as did most others it has to be said).
Went on to be a triple premiership player.
Yeah I do remember that software thing, some sort of list management tool. SOS had his own blind spots like leg speed and very heavy on the A.P.S boys, you obviously want the net as wide as possible.
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