List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

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Definitely List Management.

Your assumption re: Boyd and Mirkov is wrong, they can stay on the Rookie List for another year.

As to the rest of your post, next year is definitely tight for list spots/uncontracted players. But also, who knows what will happen with total list numbers and rules. I think there is a very reasonable possibility that these will change again.

As for this year, I don't think it will be that hard to create the 3-4 list spots that we need.
Not arguing my “assumption” is “wrong” but would love to see it addressed in writing somewhere if you have a link. I have hot been able to find anything.

However, if we were to not upgrade them this year, it would just further complicate the list management log jam next year. I can’t see it not being addressed. The point of my post is that we must put our ducks in a row this year to allow next year to play out positively.

We need a couple more than three or four list spots this year to do this unless you simply want to delist or trade Cottrell, Boyd and Mirkov at the end of their rookie tenure.

“Who knows what will happen with total list numbers and rules?” with you suggesting a reasonable possibility that these will change won’t cut it if we are forced to part with multiple “required” players.

She’ll be right mate doesn’t cut it! I am sure Austin is over it, but it is far from an easy task. For interest, if you look at the out of contract players in subsequent years, barring retirements or failure of a Lemmey, Binns or O’Keeffe to come on, it will be equally tight. Expect one or two draftees, a slight chance of a free agent or trade addition and an annual rookie upgrade to pretty much become the norm for the foreseeable future.

I will be quite astounded if we don’t draft a KPD option this year to future proof the list. Personally, I would be playing Lemmey in defence for the remaining reserves games to get some insight as to his future. I am underwhelmed by his key forward offerings to date, yet when played on ball or defensively, his confidence and intensity rise considerably, as does his output. Think he is more a reactive than proactive/playmaker type.
 
Not arguing my “assumption” is “wrong” but would love to see it addressed in writing somewhere if you have a link. I have hot been able to find anything.
Good luck getting any transparency about AFL rules

However, if we were to not upgrade them this year, it would just further complicate the list management log jam next year. I can’t see it not being addressed. The point of my post is that we must put our ducks in a row this year to allow next year to play out positively.

We need a couple more than three or four list spots this year to do this unless you simply want to delist or trade Cottrell, Boyd and Mirkov at the end of their rookie tenure.
I think 3-4 would be enough, and then upgrade one of Cottrell or Boyd this year.
I'm a bit skeptical of Mirkov longer term. He'd want to have a big 2024.
 
Ryan (181cm), Weightman, Elliott types are one of the types of forwards we need, high marking forwards that can go the ground ball as well. And the best of the lot, Toby Greene.

Wonder how Shane McAdam (medium forward like Ash Johnson) would have gone with us, had we taken our opportunity back in the day.
Ash Johnson please - he’s a gun
 

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Is he? He is older than JSOS and averages 8 possessions a game in the clear number 1 side in the comp. Image how he would have gone through our horror 9 week period.
That he’s in the number 1 side and playing in the 2s is what’s enticing.

He’s got a factor like Martin - I’d love him on the other flank.
 
That he’s in the number 1 side and playing in the 2s is what’s enticing.

He’s got a factor like Martin - I’d love him on the other flank.
Great highlight reel but goes missing a lot and like ginivan, is on the outer at a workrate based team

A move might be a wake up call but I'm not convinced
 
Great highlight reel but goes missing a lot and like ginivan, is on the outer at a workrate based team

A move might be a wake up call but I'm not convinced
You don’t need to be ;)

Many weren’t about Martin, Cunningham , Fogerty etc…

History is littered with gifted players who go better.
 
Find a way to fit Bolton in our cap and get him in. Tigs officially a rabble.
You really do like the “highlight reel” types. Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Want to put a team together, not a group of individuals.
 
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You really do like the “highlight reel” types. Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Want to put a team together, nit a group of individuals.
It's funny you say that, Richmond premierships were built around 2-3 genuine stars and a load of players playing team oriented roles. Martin was the best player in the league because of the way the rest of the team ran harder to cover him.

Couldn't agree with you more, all I've been asking for for years is football built on system, not individuals and for the first time I can remember I think we are almost there
 
You really do like the “highlight reel” types. Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Want to put a team together, not a group of individuals.
Turned it off after the 1st quarter tonight....but if there's a gettable player with Richmond, it's Cumberland. I got no idea how he played tonight, but when he's switched on, he's the type of player I would love at half forward. He seems to be the Tiggs equivalent of Paddy Dow, so may need a change of environment.

Wouldn't cost the earth either.
 
You really do like the “highlight reel” types. Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Want to put a team together, not a group of individuals.
He kicked 43g 41b playing mid/fwd a year ago, earned himself AA honors and is a 2 time premiership player... In what universe is that a highlight reel type or a non-team player?

Charlie Cameron, Kozi Pickett, Toby Greene, Tom Papley, Izak Rankine, Bailey Fritsch... Don't want any of them because they can be selfish at times? I mean seriously...
 

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It's funny you say that, Richmond premierships were built around 2-3 genuine stars and a load of players playing team oriented roles. Martin was the best player in the league because of the way the rest of the team ran harder to cover him.

Couldn't agree with you more, all I've been asking for for years is football built on system, not individuals and for the first time I can remember I think we are almost there
I am loving where our list is at. There are maybe a handful of players on our list who haven’t quite fully embraced the team first ethos. Most are there or almost there now.

No secret that the likes of Fogarty, Martin and Cuningham have played a big part in the last few weeks. The Cincotta quote at signing about “going to war with you blokes” rings so very true.

Loving that our much maligned perennial injured blokes have managed to join their mates on field. Not sure how their “fragility” plays out, but these blokes all feel a debt to the club, to the group. Rest assured they will give their all to play their respective roles. I have been critical of McGovern and he has spent most of the season at “half rat power”. This last month, Gov has caught the bug, he has stopped running within himself and has been giving 100% for the cause. A great sign. Really hoping this latest hammy is on the lower level, if giving 100% means he breaks down, he should be finished. There was a time I would have been happy to see the back of him, but I find myself much more supportive now.

Loving our big star forwards who are now over their “flakiness” Charlie taking his game far more seriously. He is embracing his role as a leader, not just as a highlight reel. Harry has shown through the season a growing understanding of his best role fir the club. He can be a target deep, but his staple has become working up the ground both defensively and as a reliable outlet. It has also removed his “stress” around having to hit the big sticks. He is a far more consistent contributor and has embraced the role.

I could go on with the individual accolades for embracing team first. Strangely two blokes who still have to curb their instincts to try too hard to be the man to team detriment are Crippa and Walshy. They are getting there. Their effort is not questioned, Crippa has been better, Walshy still takes too much on at times. Our selectors have seen fit to afford Zac Fisher another chance to embrace team first on Sunday. I am interested to see the outcome.

There has been a significant change in the group. They have found a collective identity. The last thing I want to see is a mercenary type traded in to challenge the “culture”.
 
He kicked 43g 41b playing mid/fwd a year ago, earned himself AA honors and is a 2 time premiership player... In what universe is that a highlight reel type or a non-team player?

Charlie Cameron, Kozi Pickett, Toby Greene, Tom Papley, Izak Rankine, Bailey Fritsch... Don't want any of them because they can be selfish at times? I mean seriously...
Deadset would only embrace one of those without some very serious homework and character assessment. (One I would not even waste my time doing the homework)
 
It's funny you say that, Richmond premierships were built around 2-3 genuine stars and a load of players playing team oriented roles. Martin was the best player in the league because of the way the rest of the team ran harder to cover him.

Couldn't agree with you more, all I've been asking for for years is football built on system, not individuals and for the first time I can remember I think we are almost there
One of the best teams in history, who very well could have had a 4peat if not for a Wayne Carey cameo from Mason Cox in 2018, responsible for training up the likes of Craig Macrae, Caracella, Rutten, Kingsley and Leppitsch under Hardwick who are now seen as some of the best current coaches and best prospective coaches in the league... Played a system built around 3-5 Superstar players with role players there to cover for their flaws.

So what do we want... To do the complete opposite??

Someone make it make sense
 
Deadset would only embrace one of those without some very serious homework and character assessment. (One I would not even waste my time doing the homework)
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Turned it off after the 1st quarter tonight....but if there's a gettable player with Richmond, it's Cumberland. I got no idea how he played tonight, but when he's switched on, he's the type of player I would love at half forward. He seems to be the Tiggs equivalent of Paddy Dow, so may need a change of environment.

Wouldn't cost the earth either.
Maybe watch the rest of the game….and you’ll run a mile.
SPUD.
 
Played a system built around 3-5 Superstar players with role players there to cover for their flaws.

So what do we want... To do the complete opposite??

Someone make it make sense
it was me I wrote this said:
all I've been asking for for years is football built on system, not individuals and for the first time I can remember I think we are almost there

Not sure how that is the opposite?
 
One of the best teams in history, who very well could have had a 4peat if not for a Wayne Carey cameo from Mason Cox in 2018, responsible for training up the likes of Craig Macrae, Caracella, Rutten, Kingsley and Leppitsch under Hardwick who are now seen as some of the best current coaches and best prospective coaches in the league... Played a system built around 3-5 Superstar players with role players there to cover for their flaws.

So what do we want... To do the complete opposite??

Someone make it make sense
It's BigFooty. It always makes sense.
 
Turned it off after the 1st quarter tonight....but if there's a gettable player with Richmond, it's Cumberland. I got no idea how he played tonight, but when he's switched on, he's the type of player I would love at half forward. He seems to be the Tiggs equivalent of Paddy Dow, so may need a change of environment.

Wouldn't cost the earth either.
No thanks to him or Ash Johnson. Both look great when they’re on, but when it’s not, they don’t put pressure on and crack the sads
 
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One of the best teams in history, who very well could have had a 4peat if not for a Wayne Carey cameo from Mason Cox in 2018, responsible for training up the likes of Craig Macrae, Caracella, Rutten, Kingsley and Leppitsch under Hardwick who are now seen as some of the best current coaches and best prospective coaches in the league... Played a system built around 3-5 Superstar players with role players there to cover for their flaws.

So what do we want... To do the complete opposite??

Someone make it make sense
Hang around for a few more decades. Watch some cycles recurring with some “tweaks”. Watch evolution and how game styles are first countered, then exploited.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
 
Is he? He is older than JSOS and averages 8 possessions a game in the clear number 1 side in the comp. Image how he would have gone through our horror 9 week period.

Not sure possesions are the most important stat for a stay at home forward. Ash Johnson kicks goals. Regularly. Averages 1.9 a game for his career. By comparsion SOS averages 0.7. The only knock on Johnson is the non-existent defensive effort. Just re-signed for 2 years. Not going anywhere. But that is the type of output we need.

Breust (2.3 per game) would be awesome for us. Papley (1.8) would be perfect. There's 79 players in the AFL currently averaging more than 1.0 goals per game. If you want 2 goals a game that list shortens to just 19 players. Clubs aren't exactly letting these blokes walk.

Our only hope is to pick someone up off the scrap heap and turn them into a player. 4 recent examples I could find are - Finlayson (2.0), Higgins (1.8), Melksham (1.7) and Butler (1.5). From memory none of these players were traded for massive draft capital and improved significantly at their new clubs.

I know Isaac Heeney re-signed for 6 years but that on the back of the Swans making the GF. Would trade our 1st this year + 2nd next year in a heartbeat.
 
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