Do you think he's going to be an improvement on the likes of Dow and Fisher.
He's almost certainly going to cost more money, and we're going to have to move an extra player out to fit him in.
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He's almost certainly going to cost more money, and we're going to have to move an extra player out to fit him in.
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Just lacked abit of intensity imo. He could become a near perfect pickup or a waste. I wouldn’t take the punt on him but if the club does then I would support it.
Too risky to offer serious money to, the positive is that he may not totally be driven by money at this stage of his career.
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He's a different type of player to Fish and Dow, but I do think he is a better fit for our list needs and that he's a better footballer.
Honestly not sure what the state of play is regarding our list spots for 2024. Too much to play out at this point in time.
Should see the aunt's board now. They'd be happy to send him to us and pay the Uber.
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Whether he comes to us or not, it won't be part of a trade. He's an RFA. If our recruiting team decide they want him, we make an offer, and if they match, they keep him. Don't think we're giving up any draft capital or players in trade for him. Would love to read the Saints board if that happens!
I think Jack would be a terrible wing. He'd get burned for pace and endurance. The benefit of him being there, up on the wing, would be providing a marking option, but he can do that as a 3rd tall forward.
How I see it at the moment, only factoring in Ed retiring, no trades/delisting/etc
Tier 1: Cripps, Walsh, Cerra
Tier 2: Docherty (can also play wing), Kennedy, Hewett
Tier 3: Dow
Tier 4: Carroll
Pinch hitters/other positions: Williams, Cuningham, Fogarty, Fisher (Durdin & Motlop?)
Firstly, what's the likelihood of all of them being fit & in form at once?
I'm not a huge fan of having too many of the 'inside only' players in the side at once, so probably 2 but possibly 3 of Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett & Dow. If only 2 in the 22, a chance that the sub is one of them too.
Walsh & Cerra definitely there, obviously, and Doc is somewhere (mid, wing, or a combination).
Lately we've tended to have a 'big 3' who get the majority of the CBAs, then a 1st rotation who gets a little less, then 2 pinch hitters who probably get 1 to 2 CBAs each per quarter. You could potentially drop the pinch hitters from the rotations and have the 4 main mids go forward a little more to squeeze in a 5th mid, but I tend to like the team balance we've got at the moment. Adding that extra mid to the starting team probably means we lose on of the half forwards, and that appears to be one of the areas that's driving our improvement in pressure and ball movement at the moment.
If Dow stays with us next year and continues to work on some aspects of his game (which we all know about), then he could potentially push up to tier 2, but right now I'd have Kennedy & Hewett comfortably ahead of him.
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I'd agree with your player assessment on the tiers...
My thought was Kennedy & Hewett are the same type of player "slow inside players", along with Cripps...
Dow offers a difference "speed from stoppage", no doubt Dow has a lot of work to do (disposal), however has taken a step forward of recent...
If Dow was to leave, hope we look for some midfield speed...
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If every player was available, what would our best 22 look like.. Would be some very unlucky players not getting a game.
I will have a crack
FB - Newman, Weiters, Kemp
HB - Saad, Gov, Williams
C - Acres, Walsh, Docherty
HF - Martin, McKay, Owies
FF - Silvagni, Curnow, Motlop
R - TDK, Cripps, Cerra
I - Kennedy, Cunningham, Hewett, Marchbank,
Sub - Cotterell.
I will have a crack
FB - Newman, Weiters, Kemp
HB - Saad, Gov, Williams
C - Acres, Walsh, Docherty
HF - Martin, McKay, Owies
FF - Silvagni, Curnow, Motlop
R - TDK, Cripps, Cerra
I - Kennedy, Cunningham, Hewett, Marchbank,
Sub - Cotterell.
If you're grouping Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett together as the same type, you might as well put Dow in there too. He's got a few fast steps on him, but he's hardly a runner like a Walsh or Doc, and he doesn't move like Cuningham.
For mine, within the realms of inside mids, they're all still different.
Kennedy is a great mark, has a fantastic long kick, does a heap of blocking and smashing in the contest.
Hewett's can shutdown an opponent and is more defensively minded, a safe/tidy user, dual sided.
Dow has fast hand & a bit more of a burst, gets the ball forward fast, has his well known disposal and defensive issues (although he's appearing to gradually improve on them).
Then there's Cripps, brutal inside clearance beast, and Cerra, who's by far our most balanced midfielder, plus Walsh & Doc who are more outside.
Dow does change the balance a little, being a bit more fleet of foot than Cripps, Kennedy & Cerra, but let's not get carried away. He finished pretty well yesterday after a bit of a shaky start, in probably one of his best games for the club, but I'd suggest it's still a few rungs down from the best we've seen of the other 3.
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The Dow conundrum? Reported to be on $450k - $500k per year. Based on how he's going at the moment would probably be offered that on a 3 year deal by a club or 2 who have some midfield issues (e.g. Saints, Weagles or even Pies) remembering that the average salary is $400k. Doubt that we'd have the inclination or space to compte with that.
One thing for sure is that nobody is getting him for a late 3rd/early 4th as they might have done 6 or 7 weeks ago.
One thing for sure is that nobody is getting him for a late 3rd/early 4th as they might have done 6 or 7 weeks ago.
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The fact Dow was being prepared to be subbed out prior to kicking his goal, shows the coaches opinion on him.. doubt he would even be offered a rookie spot.
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Charlie was subbed out against Hawthorn. I guess that means you reckon we're preparing to trade him at the end of the year?
Martin, Hollands (both twice) and Saad all subbed out of games this year, not forced by injury, maybe they too are on the outer.
Dow may not be at the club next season, but being subbed out of the game would have absolutely nothing to do with it.
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That is a poor take on what I said.. the fact he was even in discussion about being sub when he was playing well, and there were a handful of players who had little impact that could have been subbed instead, combine that with Dows lack of opportunity this year and it’s a short bow to draw..
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Don't think it's a poor take or even a controversial one. It's just logic.
Why wouldn't Dow be in the discussion for the sub vest? No player should be immune from the vest. It's a decision that should very much depend on how the game is unfolding.
If we were 10 goals up at 3/4 time I would think even Charlie would be under consideration; just as he was in one game earlier in the season.
Dow was good yesterday and yes he kicked a very good goal in the 4th. But clearly he is not immune from that discussion, nor should he be.
What about a Luke Bruest, not sure of his contract situation? Prob wouldn’t give away too much to get him
Good looking side that.
Did P.Dow have a hand in most of STK’s goals in the 1st half?
No not most probably about two or three … but he was involved in about the same for us in the second half so he definitely bounced back …
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Surely we are not still considering Gresham after that rubbish yesterday…
Our blokes would have to be better and cheaper ?
Our blokes would have to be better and cheaper ?
I’d back one of our seconds players to produce more …
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We would definitely be giving up a player(salary wise) to make room for Gresham.
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Well if you want to be pedantic about it, we have to give up a player for any trade or draft pick, as we are already at (over) our maximum on the playing list. The point though is, that we are highly unlikely to be trading a player to St Kilda for Gresham. Our interest in him (if there is any) is that he is a free agent, and thus costs us nothing in draft capital or trade.
The way I see it:
Plow /LOB/Philp/Big Durdin are for the delisting block.
Can’t see Akuei getting elevated. Not convinced Mirkov will either.
And then there’s any of Dow, Gov and Fish leaving for other shores.
I think we re-sign Fog for another year. I think we re-sign Marchy for another year. I think we give DC a couple of years. I’d be surprised if we didn’t sign JSOS.
So, at minimum I see us having four to five list spots.
Oh, and I wouldn’t take Gresham. Was an excellent footballer - once.
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Plow /LOB/Philp/Big Durdin are for the delisting block.
Can’t see Akuei getting elevated. Not convinced Mirkov will either.
And then there’s any of Dow, Gov and Fish leaving for other shores.
I think we re-sign Fog for another year. I think we re-sign Marchy for another year. I think we give DC a couple of years. I’d be surprised if we didn’t sign JSOS.
So, at minimum I see us having four to five list spots.
Oh, and I wouldn’t take Gresham. Was an excellent footballer - once.
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LOB is contracted for 2024. Reckon both he and the club would be looking to see if there's any other clubs interested in a trade, but you'd think it's unlikely.
Akeui is Cat-B, and will stay that way for 2024.
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