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One of the best teams in history, who very well could have had a 4peat if not for a Wayne Carey cameo from Mason Cox in 2018, responsible for training up the likes of Craig Macrae, Caracella, Rutten, Kingsley and Leppitsch under Hardwick who are now seen as some of the best current coaches and best prospective coaches in the league... Played a system built around 3-5 Superstar players with role players there to cover for their flaws.

So what do we want... To do the complete opposite??

Someone make it make sense
Hint. The next “evolution” is 3-5 (or more) superstars without flaws needing coverage by their team mates who allow eighteen on the ground to involve themselves in the offensive side of the game by giving little or no respite to their opposition.

We could argue our list of “superstars”, I give you

Patrick Cripps, only flaw is lack of defensive run, which he is improving off the back of more faith in the players around him.

Sam Walsh other than learning he doesn’t have to do it all, no flaws.

Adam Cerra has elevated to the realm of superstars, reaching his potential. Complete midfielder.

Charlie Curnow now embraces what he means to the team. Still enjoys individual “highs”, but prepared to sacrifice, do the hard yards and embrace his greater role.

Harry McKay has moved on from the pressures of being the spearhead and embraced a role working hard up the ground to do much more than kick at goal. Takes pressure off his scoring and adds a powerful dynamic to the team.

Jacob Weitering can overthink and get a bit of analysis paralysis, but like the team of late has simplified things of late. Is as good as any key defender in the league, Our defensive rock with a very complete game.

That is six “superstars” with more substance than many afforded the same tag around the league. I could well argue that we have another handful close to earning the moniker with performance or potential. The Richmond model relied, successfully on some very limited role players carrying out a role. We have the prospect of more talented players disciplined enough to carry out a role, but talented enough to expand upon said role.

Bringing another “star” in to the equation who is not wedded to the cause could and most likely would be counter productive. In this era focussed and invested “role players” are sometimes more valuable than stars threatening the dynamic.
 
That is six “superstars” with more substance than many afforded the same tag around the league.

I agree with 4.

Cerra's been doing it for half a season. I think you've got to show up for a little longer than that to be considered a superstar. Trending but not yet.

Harry McKay was a superstar in 2021 as a full forward but he's regressed signficantly being played out of position. Arguably the best contested mark in the game. But also the worst set shot by FAR once you factor in all his OOB's.
 
I agree with 4.

Cerra's been doing it for half a season. I think you've got to show up for a little longer than that to be considered a superstar. Trending but not yet.

Harry McKay was a superstar in 2021 as a full forward but he's regressed signficantly being played out of position. Arguably the best contested mark in the game. But also the worst set shot by FAR once you factor in all his OOB's.

Harry hasn’t regressed. He changed roles and had a bad case of the yips. Something every key forward goes through and gets over.
 

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Harry hasn’t regressed. He changed roles

Harry's role change is the very reason for his regression.

Harry plays his best footy at full forward. He was an All Australian and Coleman Medallist in this position.

Harry at CHF is still a very good footballer. But he kicks half the goals in this position. And he's nowhere near All Australian.
 
Harry's role change is the very reason for his regression.

Harry plays his best footy at full forward. He was an All Australian and Coleman Medallist in this position.

Harry at CHF is still a very good footballer. But he kicks half the goals in this position. And he's nowhere near All Australian.

He is 13th in the competition for shots on goal. Charlie is first and by a mile taking most of the chips.

If he kicked straight we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Is all but elite in all other aspects as a CHF. Contested marking, marks on the lead, I50s, disposals.
 
I agree with 4.

Cerra's been doing it for half a season. I think you've got to show up for a little longer than that to be considered a superstar. Trending but not yet.

Harry McKay was a superstar in 2021 as a full forward but he's regressed signficantly being played out of position. Arguably the best contested mark in the game. But also the worst set shot by FAR once you factor in all his OOB's.
Cerra has been by far our best player this year, he was on the way to being a grade player at Fremantle, but this year is a true reflection of his capabilities, definitely a A grade player & will still win our best & fairest this year despite missing these games.
We are going to miss him the next few games.
 
Logical argument, but I don’t agree with your solution. Flanders is staking a claim as a best 22 mid, and logically the only way is up for him. We currently have a no vacancy sign against our starting midfield and perhaps more importantly mwe have neither the salary cap space nor the trade capital to procure a quality young player.

The drums are beating that we will acquire Jade Gresham as a free agent. I am not necessarily in favour of this as he is underperforming at present. His best is however, very good, bordering elite. Can he regain his best after some significant injuries? Is a fresh start the catalyst? That is for wiser heads. I am happy with our small forward, pressure options, if all are fit, a couple of very, very good players will miss with our current list. Gresham does add a genuine midfield option to our current mix, so I can see why he is an attractive each-way bet. Being a free agent, he only costs salary cap. I am sure our brains trust is doing the sums at the moment. Can’t see it being popular if we pass up Jack Silvagni or McGovern to fund Gresham (or Flanders for that matter).

The draft remains our BEST friend, particularly with our current list dynamics and restraints.

Yes target a good inside mid in the draft or even rookie draft. Hawks got Newcombe mid season draft and Worpel pick 46.
 
Hard not to be in todays team performance ;)

I’m sure everyone said the same of Martin in past games.

Look at him now.

If we reached the ultimate game this year would you want him in or out ?
Good news is there are plenty of pies supporters ready to send AJ to a good home for free. They can see his lack of pressure and effort in big games is a killer
 

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Fisher - rejuvenate his Carlton career, as a defender?

Dow offers a difference at the stoppage (speed) no doubt needs to be better by foot...
Kennedy & Hewett, no doubt are better players, however are the same type of player as each other...

Would the midfield mix right now sit?
Cripps, Cerra, Walsh, Dow? & Kennedy or Hewett
 
Fisher - rejuvenate his Carlton career, as a defender?

Dow offers a difference at the stoppage (speed) no doubt needs to be better by foot...
Kennedy & Hewett, no doubt are better players, however are the same type of player as each other...

Would the midfield mix right now sit?
Cripps, Cerra, Walsh, Dow? & Kennedy or Hewett

I like a few, dont see Kennedy and Hewett working together, but one of them will keep their spot. Still think Dow will struggle to hold his spot if both Cerra and Walsh come back. Until they do, he has a spot and who knows by then, another spot may have opened for him.
 
If Hayden McLean want's to come home to Vic...

Hope we go hard for him, would work great in tandem forward/ruck with TDK...
Wouldn't cost the world either...
 
I like a few, dont see Kennedy and Hewett working together, but one of them will keep their spot. Still think Dow will struggle to hold his spot if both Cerra and Walsh come back. Until they do, he has a spot and who knows by then, another spot may have opened for him.
Reckon Dow has a spot even when all of them are back … it’s no coincidence that he played better as everyone else tired … it’s why he’s been effective as sub … the sub role is his at the very least …
 
Fisher - rejuvenate his Carlton career, as a defender?

Dow offers a difference at the stoppage (speed) no doubt needs to be better by foot...
Kennedy & Hewett, no doubt are better players, however are the same type of player as each other...

Would the midfield mix right now sit?
Cripps, Cerra, Walsh, Dow? & Kennedy or Hewett
For me I’m playing Cerra, Walsh, Kennedy and Cripps with guys like Doc, Cuningham etc chopping out. Kennedy’s spot is the most up for with both Hewett and Kennedy being able to fill it, I’d go Hewett as first backup. Dow sub every week if we are contending.
Fogarty’s spot is the interesting one. We might squeeze Dow into that role but I wouldn’t.
 
Reckon Dow has a spot even when all of them are back … it’s no coincidence that he played better as everyone else tired … it’s why he’s been effective as sub … the sub role is his at the very least …

Selection will be interesting in the coming weeks Walsh, Cerra, Gov, Harry, if fit they will all come back, Boyd and Kennedy just outside that group imo.

If they come back that is.
 
I still think Gresham could be worth a punt if he's on modest coin and willing to buy into our team structure.

Looks to have finally gotten his body right which is a big tick.

I have sympathy for his situation. Yes, he's having a "bad" year, seems to burn his teammates regularly and looks checked out. But I'd be frustrated as well if I was playing as an attacker under their system in a contract year. They had their whole team behind the ball majority of the game.
 
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