List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[Juddernaut08]

This is going to be tough, for 2 reasons.
Freo spectacularly botched their List Management, allowing Acres to leave very cheaply, AND, wingmen are much easier to find cheaply than the 2 positions we really now need to find players (half forward and key back).

I reckon key backs will be possible. We're not needing a Weitering, we just need a good player who is currently 3rd banana and wants more opportunity.

Half forwards can be exp, agreed.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I reckon key backs will be possible. We're not needing a Weitering, we just need a good player who is currently 3rd banana and wants more opportunity.

Half forwards can be exp, agreed.

Thinking about it, we aren’t far off needing another Weiters, a gorilla back can take 3-5yrs to come on, having overlap so Weiters can mentor would be awesome.
It’s great to have such quality forwards to learn against too

 

[Stamos]

I reckon key backs will be possible. We're not needing a Weitering, we just need a good player who is currently 3rd banana and wants more opportunity.

Half forwards can be exp, agreed.

It's possible for sure, but this year KPDs are in high demand. Lots of clubs looking for them.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Here’s a question for the collective brain trust here..
Who’s broken & worth a punt?
Knowing full well that they are broken, it will take time & very likely to fail.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If Dow decides he wants to move on...

Could we make the cap room for a Bailey Smith?

Apparently open to moving on and OOC next year, if he nominated us and we played hard ball...
A F1 + Player or Change could get it done...

Midfield Consisting of below would be pretty special...

Inside - Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett
Balanced - Cerra, Walsh, Smith & Docherty
Outside - Acres, Cottrell, Hollands & Binns

Doubt he'd want to leave libbas ‘culture’ for one that's about selflessness and pursuing success

 

[BigFrizz36]

Who knows but you are begging the question as far as the coaching goes. I never said anything about Voss being outclassed, that's coming from your imagination. I'm of the belief that you can only go as far as your list lets you. Like I said in a follow up post, we arguably need a side that can consistently go up a gear while we're already in the context. We might be winning them at the moment but I can't be the only one that has noticed that it's been progressively harder in recent weeks.

You have written a litany of posts telling us that our recruiting has been poor, our list lacks quality and that our coaching panel is not up to it.

On saturday you chirped in at quarter time that Voss had been outcoached and that our style of playing was not sustainable, despite Cripps and Docherty being banged up and Walsh and Cerra not playing (yes our midfield was down to the bare bones). It was almost as if you were just waiting for something to go wrong so you could tell us you were right.

Guess what - you were wrong. We have an excellent list with good depth (sorry T60). Our recruiters have done a fantastic job (Acres F3, Newman F4, Hewett FA, Hollands, Motlop) and has a nice balance of stars and role players. We are a chance to do something fantastic this year (maybe, maybe not) but we are a real chance to have sustained success in the next five yours. All we needed was the players to not worry so much about making mistakes and be prepared to embrace failure to strive for success.

Just the "am I the only one that has noticed that it's been progressively harder each week" reeks of the "I'm just waiting to be proven right that we are s#!+" mentality that made this place so toxic 10 weeks ago. For gods sake the progressively harder wins have been against a premiership favourite in a couldren like atmosphere and an interstate win with pretty much no midfield overcoming a 40+ point deficit.

The team, and what they have achieved from the depths of despair, deserve better support than this.

 

[Stamos]

Like I said in a follow up post, we arguably need a side that can consistently go up a gear while we're already in the context. We might be winning them at the moment but I can't be the only one that has noticed that it's been progressively harder in recent weeks.

It's gotten progressively harder the last 4 weeks because we've taken on 1st, 5th, 2nd and then Gold Coast away, with a depleted list.
Of our best 3 mids, Walsh hasn't played at all, Cerra managed less than 3 quarters (BOG till that point) and Cripps was severely hampered in one game. We also only had 1 KPF for 3 of those games, with H coming back from a 5 week injury for Saturday.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Right now on displayed form in AFL - Dow isn't a ground ball getter - he is more a reciever and he isnt a defensive stopper - if he fixes these issues he is starting player - because he is evasive in congestion - that is a rare attribute. I see his strengths as an attacking mid - disagree that he is up against Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy as far as hard ball gets goes role goes- more Cerra/Walsh. Unfair comparisons maybe - Dow is best being Dow and just improve the get ball aspect of his game as well as providing more grunt around contests - no doubt he is much improved and hope he stays.

List management has to have a long hard look at Philp and Carroll as far as adding to midfield depth goes...Philpy hasnt had the best of runs with injury and Carroll is in similar place this year. Fisher is way behind Dow as a mid - but is showing good signs in the back six mix. He is still contracted. Don't know how many ready to go next man up smaller backs are required with Boyd/Cowan developing nicely.

I think the Club is still lacking a genuine second tall/big defender - Young fell in a heap this year and Durdin is as unreliable with his fitness as anyone.

Up front everything looks good until it doesn't, with Martin and Cuningham always suspect regarding injury - Martin in particular is a rare player- when fit and firing one of the best HFF in the game has been instrumental in a number of wins since he made his way back and playing his best footabll sicne joining Carlton. Jack ( still unsigned) is the only genuine third tall ( TDK resting forward aside) - but lacks the leg speed to be scary good. I think this is an area the Club will be looking to shore up - especially if Jack decides to go - which I doubt happens.

Another 'Acres find' in any of the positions mentioned is what I'd like to see Austin find - doubt that the Club is anythign but a 'good place' to consider from any player in the competition these days. Speaking of Acres - love him in Blue.

Agree with this

• KPD to develop,
• I'd like cover for Martin & Cuningham (Not Honey) Possibly Zac Williams
• Accumulator mid with pace and footskills (to eventually replace Docherty)

If we lose Dow and/or JSOS, it wouldn't be a hit to our best 22, but it would be a major hit to our top 30...
Also unlikely to replace over the next couple of years...

 

[Juddernaut08]

Agree with this

• KPD to develop,
• I'd like cover for Martin & Cuningham (Not Honey) Possibly Zac Williams
• Accumulator mid with pace and footskills (to eventually replace Docherty)

If we lose Dow and/or JSOS, it wouldn't be a hit to our best 22, but it would be a major hit to our top 30...
Also unlikely to replace over the next couple of years...

I'm not sure that's true with JSOS. I think he could be best 22, but it's dependent on TDK's development.

If TDK becomes as good a tap ruckman as Pitto and improves his endurance, then JSOS rucking 20% of the game becomes very viable.

I also think Dow is still improving and could easily be best 22 next year.

 

[HaydossJ]

Right now on displayed form in AFL - Dow isn't a ground ball getter - he is more a reciever and he isnt a defensive stopper - if he fixes these issues he is starting player - because he is evasive in congestion - that is a rare attribute. I see his strengths as an attacking mid - disagree that he is up against Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy as far as hard ball gets goes role goes- more Cerra/Walsh. Unfair comparisons maybe - Dow is best being Dow and just improve the get ball aspect of his game as well as providing more grunt around contests - no doubt he is much improved and hope he stays.

List management has to have a long hard look at Philp and Carroll as far as adding to midfield depth goes...Philpy hasnt had the best of runs with injury and Carroll is in similar place this year. Fisher is way behind Dow as a mid - but is showing good signs in the back six mix. He is still contracted. Don't know how many ready to go next man up smaller backs are required with Boyd/Cowan developing nicely.

I think the Club is still lacking a genuine second tall/big defender - Young fell in a heap this year and Durdin is as unreliable with his fitness as anyone.

Up front everything looks good until it doesn't, with Martin and Cuningham always suspect regarding injury - Martin in particular is a rare player- when fit and firing one of the best HFF in the game has been instrumental in a number of wins since he made his way back and playing his best footabll sicne joining Carlton. Jack ( still unsigned) is the only genuine third tall ( TDK resting forward aside) - but lacks the leg speed to be scary good. I think this is an area the Club will be looking to shore up - especially if Jack decides to go - which I doubt happens.

Another 'Acres find' in any of the positions mentioned is what I'd like to see Austin find - doubt that the Club is anythign but a 'good place' to consider from any player in the competition these days. Speaking of Acres - love him in Blue.

POTW

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Absolutely - not questioning you at all. Just framing the comment about our lack of up-and-coming mids a bit with what I see as the modern trend - most mids at reserves level tend to be aging players squeezed from the seniors or later draft picks fighting for their career. The top shelf kids are straight into the seniors ASAP. Gives a bit of peace of mind over our situation - odds are we fill out the midfield spots in the reserves with guys like Carroll and the Irish lads, and when it comes time that we need an elite prospect we'll just take on in the draft and plug them straight into the starting 22.

Yeah no argument from me with what you have said here BB..

It’s been stated by Cook and the club that we’re going to be investing into the draft which for a couple of reasons is the right thing to do list wise, we are light on in a few area’s of need…

Personally a couple of medium forwards as well as midfielders are an important need, as well as a KPD which we desperately require as well, adding the list types over the next 3 seasons will be very important…

I’d still like to see certain list types developing in the reserves knowing we at least have the right depth coming through…

 

[Blue and Silver]

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But embarassing secrets come out, old tensions resurface and scores get settled.

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[bigblueboy]

It's possible for sure, but this year KPDs are in high demand. Lots of clubs looking for them.

Can Hayden McLean play KPD?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Right now on displayed form in AFL - Dow isn't a ground ball getter - he is more a reciever and he isnt a defensive stopper - if he fixes these issues he is starting player - because he is evasive in congestion - that is a rare attribute. I see his strengths as an attacking mid - disagree that he is up against Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy as far as hard ball gets goes role goes- more Cerra/Walsh. Unfair comparisons maybe - Dow is best being Dow and just improve the get ball aspect of his game as well as providing more grunt around contests - no doubt he is much improved and hope he stays.

List management has to have a long hard look at Philp and Carroll as far as adding to midfield depth goes...Philpy hasnt had the best of runs with injury and Carroll is in similar place this year. Fisher is way behind Dow as a mid - but is showing good signs in the back six mix. He is still contracted. Don't know how many ready to go next man up smaller backs are required with Boyd/Cowan developing nicely.

I think the Club is still lacking a genuine second tall/big defender - Young fell in a heap this year and Durdin is as unreliable with his fitness as anyone.

Up front everything looks good until it doesn't, with Martin and Cuningham always suspect regarding injury - Martin in particular is a rare player- when fit and firing one of the best HFF in the game has been instrumental in a number of wins since he made his way back and playing his best footabll sicne joining Carlton. Jack ( still unsigned) is the only genuine third tall ( TDK resting forward aside) - but lacks the leg speed to be scary good. I think this is an area the Club will be looking to shore up - especially if Jack decides to go - which I doubt happens.

Another 'Acres find' in any of the positions mentioned is what I'd like to see Austin find - doubt that the Club is anythign but a 'good place' to consider from any player in the competition these days. Speaking of Acres - love him in Blue.

I think Dow is more of an inside mid extractor than receiver, he just uses cat-like reflexes, sidesteps and core strength(for his body size).
He'll never be a blocking, park-your-arse in the guts and absorb huge tackles type like Cripps, George and Kennedy. But how many of these types are required in a balanced midfield at the expense of express ball delivery and burst speed?
He's going to be a very good, durable player next year.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Agree... If all the if's and could's come to fruition...

But at full strength right now they aren't best 22...

Dow - no.

JSOS - perhaps.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Yeah no argument from me with what you have said here BB..

It’s been stated by Cook and the club that we’re going to be investing into the draft which for a couple of reasons is the right thing to do list wise, we are light on in a few area’s of need…

Personally a couple of medium forwards as well as midfielders are an important need, as well as a KPD which we desperately require as well, adding the list types over the next 3 seasons will be very important…

I’d still like to see certain list types developing in the reserves knowing we at least have the right depth coming through…

All depends on the available names, but I'd like to see us target the medium forward with an early draft pick, and the key back later on. Not sure you find the x-factor or impact that you want from a forward 50 specialist outside the top 30.

Surely there's a dour key back that can be taken in the third round and developed into something AFL-standard.

The caveat here might be if we think Duffy could make for a handy medium forward. Athletic profile is spot on, instincts seem perfect for it, just a question of whether he can pick up the craft.

 

[The Bighouse]

If Dow decides he wants to move on...

Could we make the cap room for a Bailey Smith?

Apparently open to moving on and OOC next year, if he nominated us and we played hard ball...
A F1 + Player or Change could get it done...

Midfield Consisting of below would be pretty special...

Inside - Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett
Balanced - Cerra, Walsh, Smith & Docherty
Outside - Acres, Cottrell, Hollands & Binns

Pick#4 GCFC to WBD & B.Smith up there.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Yeah

All depends on the available names, but I'd like to see us target the medium forward with an early draft pick, and the key back later on. Not sure you find the x-factor or impact that you want from a forward 50 specialist outside the top 30.

Surely there's a dour key back that can be taken in the third round and developed into something AFL-standard.

The caveat here might be if we think Duffy could make for a handy medium forward. Athletic profile is spot on, instincts seem perfect for it, just a question of whether he can pick up the craft.

Cant think of a draft of recent times which now has a great top dozen players including the academy kids, which then has so many variable question marks on the overall qualities across the remaining draftees…

For what was to be a extremely strong draft leading into the season it’s now seems like it will be up to clubs who can hopefully identify then select the right kids, i have a feeling that although there’s a few types we would prefer that the club will just call out who they believe to be the best available, first available on their list…

 

[teagueyubeauty]

If Dow decides he wants to move on...

Could we make the cap room for a Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

?

Apparently open to moving on and OOC next year, if he nominated us and we played hard ball...
A F1 + Player or Change could get it done...

Midfield Consisting of below would be pretty special...

Inside - Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett
Balanced - Cerra, Walsh, Smith & Docherty
Outside - Acres, Cottrell, Hollands & Binns

Not sure he fits into the holy respects criteria, been caught sniffing lines…

I’d take him in a heartbeat, but his character is not fit to be in the four walls of our club


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[BigFrizz36]

Pick#4 GCFC to WBD & B.Smith up there.

Can't see it. Gold goast have three gun academy players that they need points for. Fair chance Walter is bid on before #4. Kid is a fair dinkum gun with the same potential that Charlie had at the same time.

 

[Forty3]

Here’s a question for the collective brain trust here..
Who’s broken & worth a punt?
Knowing full well that they are broken, it will take time & very likely to fail.

This is not a rumour, this is a reply to your post (sorry I need to clarify that as sometimes people react to quickly)

The ones I'd be looking at are Denver Grainger Barras, Elliot Himmelberg, Lewis Melican and Jake Waterman.

Those are players who I deem as 'Broken'/'Worth a punt' in terms of potential cheap gets, key position project players.

 

[Juddernaut08]

This is not a rumour, this is a reply to your post (sorry I need to clarify that as sometimes people react to quickly)

The ones I'd be looking at are Denver Grainger Barras, Elliot Himmelberg, Lewis Melican and Jake Waterman.

Those are players who I deem as 'Broken'/'Worth a punt' in terms of potential cheap gets, key position project players.

#bluemo...

oh wait, nevermind.

Agreed, particularly on Melican!

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

This is not a rumour, this is a reply to your post (sorry I need to clarify that as sometimes people react to quickly)

The ones I'd be looking at are Denver Grainger Barras, Elliot Himmelberg, Lewis Melican and Jake Waterman.

Those are players who I deem as 'Broken'/'Worth a punt' in terms of potential cheap gets, key position project players.

So it's FACT!!!!


Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[no. 4]

My thoughts for the end of the year are:
1. De-list Philp, Honey and Plowman. 2024 being last chance saloon for Carroll, O'Brien and Fogarty.
2. Trade Fisher and/or Dow. Aim to get a 2nd round pick for either player. Preference to extend Dow's contract.
3. Offer Silvagni an extension.
4. Trade out one of the 4th round picks on draft night.
5. Use three picks at the draft.
6. One spot for a trade or free agent.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Thoughts on where Williams fits now in our best 22?

Could he be used as a high pressure, quick, hff?

like a more athletic fogarty. needs fogs desperation