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Half back flank and wing time rotating with Doch I reckon. He’s still our best ball carrier next to Saady
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Yeah, I reckon he could. Has shown many times that he can play this role. Going forward, I could see us playing him up forward more often than not. Has the jets and has the penetration to regularly kick goals from outside fifty.
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Having picks or players to trade wouldn’t be an issue, $$$$ would. I dont see how we could do it.
Fisher is averaging 28 disposals across half back and looks great over the past 3 weeks
There's no way I'd trade him if he didn't want to leave.
Newman will be 31, Doc, Saad 30 and Willams 29 next year.
Our HB flankers have been our strength for 5+ years now but over the next 2 our stocks may start to dwindle with potential age related injuries and retirements. I'd sign Fisher for 3 years on an average salary (350k-450k).
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can he defend?
Very good. Didn't know that. So even if he requests a trade (I suspect someone like WC may offer 550k plus) we can hold onto him.
I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a kings ransom.
13 pressure acts on the weekend which was more than Saad, Kemp, Cincotta and Marchbank.
There’s been a few murmurings that Zac may be looking for more midfield opportunities, have no idea at all how much truth there is in the matter, but wouldn’t blame him if he wanted to go down that path…
He’s looked good playing a new role down back, very creative and smart with the ball by hitting up targets that allow us to keep the ball moving along with creating or being involved in chains/passages of play himself…
Yes please, but unlikely IMO
Is he similar to Young? Perhaps more aggressive
Underrated
Think he suits our list, massive tank, plays in every arc
UFA Bailey Williams at the Dogs would be a great get
Yeah by being contracted and showing some good form in a different role, we hold a stronger position with the potential trade between whomever is interested, they’ll have to satisfy our needs to get a potential trade done…
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Not sure he improves us. He's a butcher of the ball. He can get it and he can run, but turns it over quite a bit.Not sure he fits into the holy respects criteria, been caught sniffing lines…
I’d take him in a heartbeat, but his character is not fit to be in the four walls of our club
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WC hold pick 21. Doubt we'd value that pick above what Fisher provides us. Unless they were looking to offload his contract that is..
Someone mentioned on here that WCE weren’t interested in Fish I’d say a pick in the 30’s would be a good result for us, it’s just a matter of the actual suitor/s what they hold and are willing to part with…
In that case I'd hold him to the contract. If the club thinks we are in a window to challenge. We don't need picks in the 30s, we need solid depth.
I’ve been a fan of his, has some great qualities but has also been frustrating defensively and with his consistency…
Maybe things might change with how he is currently playing along with a finals series coming up, I’ve liked what he adds to the team in the new role…
There’s been a big change in a bunch of players who seemed destined to be delisted or moved on halfway during the season, since things have clicked into gear many players have improved individually and become better team players…
do u think he is a better defender than those guys?
Probably not Kemp or Saad. But you could make an argument for the other two. He's also naturally smaller which means he's never gonna be a physically astute defender. Will have to make it up with intent on and off the ball (e.g. Noble, Daniel, Bowey).
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Just on Denver Grainger Barrass, I don't really remember a recent first round (or especially top 10) key back who had an underwhelming start of their career but then went on to become a great player. I feel like, unlike with key forwards or midfielders, you know what you've got with them pretty quickly, it's just on their body to develop.
I had a quick look at the last few drafts to see if my feeling lined up with reality at all.
2014 draft:
#6 - Marchbank - Had obvious talent from the start but as we well know, his body hasn't held up.
#9 - Darcy Moore - Played as a forward for most of his early career
#14 - Jake Lever - Really great start to his career, got rising star votes in his first year and made the 22 under 22 in his 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
2015
#1 - Weitering - Looked good from the start until we tried to destroy his confidence by playing him as a forward
#6 - Aaron Francis - Never really got going at the bombers. I was surprised to find that he was the Francis playing for the Swans this year.
#17 - Tom Doedee - Came second in the rising star
2016
#7 - Scrimshaw - Only 194 so not a pure KPD, but played a handful of games for the Suns in his first two years and now is a decent player for the Hawks
#8 - Griffin Logue - Don't remember his early days too well, but I think it was pretty injury affected. I guess an average player from the jump and is still pretty average.
2017
#9 - Aaron Naughton - Drafted as a defender and looked really good there in his first year but got moved forward and was even better there.
#13 - Jarrod Brander - Drafted as a swingman but never really made an impact at either end.
2018
#6 - Ben King - Drafted as a defender, looked good but is a forward now
2019
#6 - Fischer McAsey - Never got going, isn't even on a list anymore
#19 - SDK - Was excellent from the get go
Probably too early to say anything about anyone younger than that but you got Mac Andrews and Josh Gibcus in the "probably pretty good" camp and DGB and Zac Reid in the "probably pretty bad" category.
I haven't seen anything from Grainger Barras as a defender to put himself above this group. For me its an avoid, I'd rather take our chances in the draft.
I had a quick look at the last few drafts to see if my feeling lined up with reality at all.
2014 draft:
#6 - Marchbank - Had obvious talent from the start but as we well know, his body hasn't held up.
#9 - Darcy Moore - Played as a forward for most of his early career
#14 - Jake Lever - Really great start to his career, got rising star votes in his first year and made the 22 under 22 in his 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
2015
#1 - Weitering - Looked good from the start until we tried to destroy his confidence by playing him as a forward
#6 - Aaron Francis - Never really got going at the bombers. I was surprised to find that he was the Francis playing for the Swans this year.
#17 - Tom Doedee - Came second in the rising star
2016
#7 - Scrimshaw - Only 194 so not a pure KPD, but played a handful of games for the Suns in his first two years and now is a decent player for the Hawks
#8 - Griffin Logue - Don't remember his early days too well, but I think it was pretty injury affected. I guess an average player from the jump and is still pretty average.
2017
#9 - Aaron Naughton - Drafted as a defender and looked really good there in his first year but got moved forward and was even better there.
#13 - Jarrod Brander - Drafted as a swingman but never really made an impact at either end.
2018
#6 - Ben King - Drafted as a defender, looked good but is a forward now
2019
#6 - Fischer McAsey - Never got going, isn't even on a list anymore
#19 - SDK - Was excellent from the get go
Probably too early to say anything about anyone younger than that but you got Mac Andrews and Josh Gibcus in the "probably pretty good" camp and DGB and Zac Reid in the "probably pretty bad" category.
I haven't seen anything from Grainger Barras as a defender to put himself above this group. For me its an avoid, I'd rather take our chances in the draft.
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Just on Denver Grainger Barrass, I don't really remember a recent first round (or especially top 10) key back who had an underwhelming start of their career but then went on to become a great player. I feel like, unlike with key forwards or midfielders, you know what you've got with them pretty quickly, it's just on their body to develop.
I think KPP take more time to develop, whether back or fwd
even from your analysis there were very few sure things
someone posted years ago that you shouldnt use top picks on kpd small forwards or rucks - i think thats generally correct
dgb is a prospect. it depends on the cost + why we think he is struggling. if it is just a heart thing like schache itll likely never happen. everything else is fixable imo
appreciate your analysis
I think KPP take more time to develop, whether back or fwd
even from your analysis there were very few sure things
someone posted years ago that you shouldnt use top picks on kpd small forwards or rucks - i think thats generally correct
dgb is a prospect. it depends on the cost + why we think he is struggling. if it is just a heart thing like schache itll likely never happen. everything else is fixable imo
Just on Fisher, I feel as though he hasn’t nailed a position down.
Yes he has had some run of games doing well as a forward and as a mid but lacked consistency.
If he becomes a consistent player at hbf then he can solidify his place in the team.
He needs the confidence of having a role and the determination to execute it.
We’ll see.
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Yes he has had some run of games doing well as a forward and as a mid but lacked consistency.
If he becomes a consistent player at hbf then he can solidify his place in the team.
He needs the confidence of having a role and the determination to execute it.
We’ll see.
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