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Now they need to announce sanders, schoenmaker, callinan all part of ours
And prelisted for free
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Of course…
Now they need to announce sanders, schoenmaker, callinan all part of ours
And prelisted for free
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Haven’t the dawks been stripped of their first rounder for mismanagement of indigenous players yet
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More likely Port get stripped of their first rounder for mismanagement of concussion protocols. And then the AFL remembers they don't have a first rounder so they take their first rounder as well as ours off us.
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CLUBS EXPECTING ROOS TO GET SANDERS ACCESS
North Melbourne could secure three of the top seven players in this year’s draft, with a view among clubs that the AFL will provide the Kangaroos with priority access to gun Tasmanian midfielder Ryley Sanders.A decision will be made by the league during Grand Final week on whether to grant North Melbourne a special draft assistance package.
The club is pushing for Sanders to be included in their Next Generation Academy and has lodged paperwork for that which has still not been ticked off.
A loss to the Gold Coast Suns this weekend would see the Kangaroos finish on the bottom of the ladder and secure the No. 1 draft pick.
The club could also receive the No. 2 draft pick as free agency compensation if key defender Ben McKay departs Arden Street.
Recruiters said this week they feared Sanders would be approved as an NGA player and North Melbourne would then be allowed to match an early bid on him at pick six or seven.
Under ordinary AFL rules, Victorian clubs are not able to match bids on NGA products within the first 40 picks in the draft.Clubs have voiced concerns over the integrity of the NGA rules amid the Sanders saga, labelling an already compromised draft “a big issue”.
Sanders won the Larke Medal as the best player of the under-18 national championships after averaging 35.8 disposals and five clearances across four games for the Allies.
MID-SIZED SWINGMAN ‘A REAL BOLTER’
An athletic rebounding defender from Tasmania has continued to jump up club draft boards since catching the eye for the Allies at the under-18 national championships.James Leake is in the mix to be a top-25 pick in November’s national draft, having shown his abilities as a swingman at both ends of the ground for the Tasmania Devils in the Coates Talent League.
After being used down back for most of the season where he has been able to impact with his intercepting ability and speed and power on the rebound, Leake has played forward in the Devils’ past two matches.
The 188cm prospect has averaged 14 disposals, six marks, seven score involvements and has kicked 7.1 from those past two games with the Devils.
“He’s been a real bolter,” Devils coach Jerromey Webberley said.
“He’s a really good contest, defensive player and he’s got a really good athletic profile. He just seems to win the ball back extremely well, either in the air or on the ground.
“He swung forward in a game against Geelong a few weeks back and had a real impact after halftime and then he played forward for the whole game on the weekend and kicked four goals and provided a really strong aerial contest and pulled down some good marks as well. He’s got some really nice flexibility within his game and he’s had an outstanding year.”
REID’S SCARE
Likely No. 1 draft pick Harley Reid has been cleared of serious injury and is expected to play again this season.Reid jarred his knee when he went to plant a signature fend-off on an opponent during the second quarter of a Coates Talent League match for the Bendigo Pioneers last Sunday.
However, scans this week which showed no damage.
The midfielder-forward was expected to return to Pioneers training on Thursday night to be put through his paces as the club prepares for a final-round match against Geelong Falcons on Sunday.
Sitting 10th on the ladder, Bendigo will then head into a finals campaign next week.
“Most likely we’ll give him a week off and we’ll go again next week,” Pioneers coach Danny O’Bree said of Reid before training on Thursday.
“He wants to get back playing with his mates and have a bit of fun for the rest of the year.”
Reid logged six disposals, five marks, six score involvements and kicked two goals before going down with the injury against the Greater Western Victoria Rebels last week.
EIGHT-GOAL HAUL CATCHES ATTENTION
A small forward who booted eight goals in front of a raft of recruiters last weekend has been the subject of some discussions at clubs this week.Greater Western Victoria Rebels forward Lachlan Charleson starred in a Coates Talent League match against Bendigo Pioneers last Sunday, logging 22 disposals, five marks, 15 score involvements and kicking 8.4.
The performance netted Charleson a massive 240 SuperCoach ranking points – 52 more points than any other player in the competition in round 16.
Charleson, who measures 182cm, played as a deep forward last weekend, but some scouts believe he has looked better when he has played through the midfield this year.
The Ballarat product has averaged 20.4 disposals, 5.1 clearances and 1.7 goals for the Rebels this season.
Charleson also featured in three matches for Vic Country at the under-18 national championships and Rebels coach David Loader said recently that he had been a big improver this year.
“He’s a small pressure forward and plays well overhead for his height,” Loader said.
“He’s not very big. But he’s just a really good player who’s pretty proficient in most aspects of the game.
“He kicks it pretty well, he’s a good runner, he’s a contested ball winner, he marks pretty well and he understands his role. There’s a lot to like.”
Charleson received a state draft combine invite earlier this week.
CROFT YET TO DECIDE
Highly-rated key forward Jordan Croft is yet to decide whether he will nominate as a father-son for the Western Bulldogs as he continues to climb up club draft boards.The 200cm Calder Cannons product has produced an eye-catching season to emerge as a first-round prospect in November’s national draft.
One recruiter said this week that Croft comfortably sat “somewhere between pick 10 and 15, just on what he could be”.
The 18-year-old, who is the son of 186-game Western Bulldogs defender Matthew Croft, trained at Whitten Oval for a week over pre-season and has been involved with the club’s Academy for the past six years.
However, Croft told this column that he was yet to sit down with his manager Tom Petroro and discuss whether he would officially nominate for the Bulldogs or enter the open draft.
“I’m not sure at the moment,” Croft said.
“I’ve still got to have a discussion with Tom and my dad and family.
“I’ve still got a bit of footy to go and we’ll see if the Cannons can go deep into finals. I haven’t had a real good think about it yet.”
The Bulldogs currently hold picks 10 and 17 in this year’s draft, but already have a stack of key forwards on their list with the likes of Aaron Naughton, Rory Lobb, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Darcy.
Croft’s overhead marking and impressive running ability have stood out during his Coates Talent League matches this season, as well as in three games for Vic Metro during the under-18 national championships.
In a match earlier this month he faced off with Murray Bushrangers key defender Connor O’Sullivan – who is considered a top-10 draft prospect – in a battle which was evenly scored by recruiters.
Croft had 17 disposals, seven marks (four contested), 12 score involvements and kicked 3.4, while O’Sullivan finished with 26 disposals, eight marks and six spoils.
“I played him (O’Sullivan) against the Allies and I think he got the upper hand in that one so it was good to get a second chance,” Croft said.
“We didn’t quite get the win in that one but individually I think I showed my strengths.”
Still lightly-framed, Croft is weighing in at 82kg after tipping the scales at just 80kg during pre-season.
Hitting the gym will be a focus over the off-season as he prepares to play on bigger bodies at AFL or VFL level next year.
“In-season I haven’t been able to get to the gym as much but over pre-season a big focus will definitely be trying to put on a bit more size,” Croft said.
“Playing against some bigger bodies next year, I’ll need to put on a bit more weight so I don’t get thrown around too much.”
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Am I the only one who is less enthusiastic about Sanders if we have to match a bid on him?
I love the kid but I don't want us to use actual draft picks on another midfielder at that stage of the draft.
I love the kid but I don't want us to use actual draft picks on another midfielder at that stage of the draft.
We were never going to get him for free. Clubs wouldn’t allow it.
In the event that we have to match, I’d imagine pre-draft we’ll trade out the Port Pick (so it isn’t absorbed by the bid) then use whatever capital we get in that trade to trade back into the later stages of the first round once the bid is matched.
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Big time. But I’ll still take it because I think the kid is a gun. Also the top of this draft seems to be really good and even so I’m prepared to do whatever it takes to get as many top 10 players as possible in this year
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If we can't just prelist him, isn't it reasonable to assume, based on the size of last year's package, we'll at least be given something like an end of 1st round PP?
So pick 19: 948 pts
Sanders at Pick 7: 1644 pts with 20% NGA discount is 1315 pts
1315 - 948 = 367, or pick 43 (a third rounder).
If that was the case, and putting aside the issue of whether that would be an appropriate draft assistance package overall, a third rounder for any kind of elite draftee is still a pretty damn good deal.
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I'm sure I've seen posts like this from supporters of clubs with Northern Academies. Any time you can get a top 10 pick for a few third rounders you do it. We haven't got enough good players to turn it down.
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No no, I agree fully with that sentiment.
But if that's the extent of our draft assistance? It's pretty shit.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up for more than that.
Im fine with having to match a bid. As long as the “assistance package” comes with some other tradable assets to go and get a few targets in before we have to start compiling points.
That's pretty much the adjective I'm expecting to use.
He's the smartest, cleanest and most skilful footballer in this draft. We need smart and skilful more than anything else.
If you love Sheezel, you'll love Sanders - match any bids without thinking. He's the most likely player from this draft to be a one-club 300 game champion with hopefully some premiership medals to show for his career.
This is all coming from someone who's sick of defaulting to midfielders with high selections.
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Assuming we have pick 1+2, we "should/deserve" to get pick 3 priority. To draft Reid, Curtin, Watson.
Would actually assist our needs. Then we could trade pick 16 to a club for a good McKay replacement + 3rd rounder. And so we can easily bid on Sanders.
Then live trade our future second/third back into the draft (1st round).
But that's a dream. To many louds voices with short memories, speaking against our club. Not enough speaking for it.
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pretty s**t is an understatement.
It would also be needlessly complicated.
Rather than bid matching and doing all of that. Just give us pick 1 as a PP which they have done for other clubs. Then with McKay just publish why he receives what ever compensation he does.
Understanding that If we arrive at Band 1 compo it would give us the first 3 picks in the draft and if it is band 2 we lump it.
And I would still bid on Walter first as a statement to the AFL if nothing else. We're historically s**t and we still couldn't take a kid we wanted even with pick 1.
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Yeah this is the crux of my point.
The argument for the past few weeks has been 'instead of giving NMFC a first round priority pick, just let them pre-list Ryley Sanders'.
But now if that has been reduced to 'let them BID on Sanders', if we aren't also getting an end of 1st PP then we are getting absolutely fisted.
Just watched some footage of Sanders and couldn't help but think he fills a real need for us with Cunners leaving despite our midfield depth. Low centre of balance, very good hands and vision, strong body and able to take a mark overhead so dangerous forward too. Add to that his leadership potential which we haven't had a lot of since the 90s and I think he could be an absolute jet for us and free up LDU, Sheezel, TT to absolutely destroy teams. Early-mid 2010s other midfields hated playing North because of the physicality, rotating one or two of Wardlaw, Phillips, Sanders through the middle along with LDU, TT and/or Sheezel will be insane. Physically imposing but with the speed and disposal quality to seriously cash in once we extract it. Simpkin to wing/half forward. Pretty bloody exciting.
I’d hope we could use whatever we can to get ahead of the bid by trying to get the GC pick.
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it would mean that our assistance is less than what the northern academies are entitled to every year.
If it was equal to them then we would likely be able to match on:
Sanders
McKercher
Schoenmaker
Callinan
The AFL were recruitment is part zone, part draft, part genetics, part racial identity.
How is equal supposed to enter into it when there is so many quantifiers.
Souup What's your thoughts on the key forwards in this draft? I think at minimum we need at least one (ideally two) more developing key forward on the list. It's a shame that Walter isn't in the open draft pool, as a contested, physical and mobile forward he'd form a perfect combination with Larkey.
Caddy & Morris have been talked about plenty, but I do have concerns about them being undersized.
Archer Reid has found some form, but again I have some concerns about his physicality and his ability at ground level. He might be a realistic option around the Port pick depending on how things fall.
Are there any later picks that you like the look of? Luke Lloyd, Archie May, Riley Wetherill, Liam Fawcett, Sam Van Rooyen, Luker Kentfield?
Caddy & Morris have been talked about plenty, but I do have concerns about them being undersized.
Archer Reid has found some form, but again I have some concerns about his physicality and his ability at ground level. He might be a realistic option around the Port pick depending on how things fall.
Are there any later picks that you like the look of? Luke Lloyd, Archie May, Riley Wetherill, Liam Fawcett, Sam Van Rooyen, Luker Kentfield?
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Pardon the indulgence, but how do you measure the skilfulness of Sanders against Watson?
Croft not nominating F/S would be an interesting development.
I think he'd be pretty high on our list personally.
It would be a smart move from him tbh, the Dogs are the worst side in the league for him to be drafted to from a personal development perspective.
I think he'd be pretty high on our list personally.
It would be a smart move from him tbh, the Dogs are the worst side in the league for him to be drafted to from a personal development perspective.
He’d be perfect at the Port Pick. I’d prefer him over Archer Reid.
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It's reasonable to hope that we might get a start of second round to bid but there is nothing in the tea leaves to suggest that's going to happen. At this stage, it feels like we are pushing shit uphill just to secure Band 1 for Ben McKay AND access to Sanders with or without us having to match a bid.
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