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Playing with COVID is a risk to heart health too, Mazraoui is out for a couple months after doing it during the World Cup
We're they referring to the women's team. There was some stuff on the team instagram about thatSo, radio said we trained today and no reports guys? Gawh what do we pay you for?
Crazy talk. I wouldn’t trade either of Pearce or especially Cox for Barrass. Cox isn’t even close to his ceiling yet. He’s special.
Ryan I love, would take him in a heartbeat.
Sheed can be ordinary but his best is very good. Kind of how I hoped Tucker would be.
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How did you come to the conclusion that Allen would be our best KPF? They play him as more of a fwd ruck. I'd take Jackson over Allen any day of the week.
Pearce is every bit as good as Barrass. I have them level. Cox has the potential to exceed them both and will probably do that this year.
JOM and Sheed. Tough one. Sheed is pretty good when fit but so is O'meara.
Liam Ryan 3 seasons ago would've been our best small fwd, but on current form, he's dropped off significantly.
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Footywire stats support all your conclusions except Pearce being better than Barrass.
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He’s 5cm taller, makes him better as a stopper.
WC play a chip around the back half game, hence less contested possessions. I’d argue Barrass’s extra possessions are junk.
Pearce’s injury history / risk is his only downside between the two. Cox is younger & better across the board.
I never realised Pearce & Barrass are the same age. Pearce one of our older players & we are getting a developing replacement/backup already. WC think Barrass is one of their youth.
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Where is the goals kicked by opposition forward stat? Or the setting up team defense efficiency stat?
I pick Moose.
You know those dodgy photos of Jesse Hogan with his pants almost off looking like he is on another planet to the rest of us? That was in Tom's back garden.
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It is easy to have better stats as a defender when you get flogged.
I've watched plenty of games and I have Pearce and Barrass level. Both are great defenders.
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Defender stats can also be driven by who else is in the team. Why kick to Pearce if you have Clark or Young nearby? Meanwhile the Eagles have the likes of Witherden and Duggan clogging up their half back line; all of a sudden Barrass is a good option. For that reason I wouldn't look into uncontested possessions/marks for a KPD.
Barrass is a better contested mark than Pearce, but generally Pearce goes the spoil towards the boundary most of the time to allow us to reset.
Both are undoubtedly brilliant players.
Allen is 80% hype at this stage. I'd take him because he clearly has talent in the forward half but its laughable to think he's a better player than Tabs now and is also somehow less durable.
Ryan is clearly a more talented player than any of our smalls (except Walters) but no chance we'd want him purely based on his conditional efforts and on-field body language. Dude looked like he didn't GAF most of 2022.
Sheed's a good player but is also bruise free (seriously, the dude doesn't tackle) which is not a criticism you can level at JOM. Probably the last type of player I'd add to our centre bounces after 2022. He'd have to play wing. Also he looks older than Mundy so I think he should be disqualified.
With Barrass I am not sure we get noticeably better, if at all. Quality player though.
TLDR: I'd take Allen, they can keep the rest.
wow suprised theyre the same age, hes one of their youngest at 27
stats arent exactly the best way to seperate key defenders, pearce plays much more of a lockdown role letting cox/young do the intercepting, barrass plays that intercept role very well credit to him, wouldnt say ones better than the other both top quality
Ryan can play but no way we'd take him. I'm 99% sure he is not a cultural fit regardless of talent. Seriously, go watch some highlights from 2022. It would be generous to say he was phoning it in.
As talented as Allen is, he averages just over a goal per game playing as the third tall (yes I know he has played other positions). He's not JJK (or even Darling) who still would walk into our team. You take him in the hope he fulfils the promise but he's not a gun KPF yet.
If Ryan went to Carlton at the end of 2021 we'd have made top 4 all by ourselves.
meh schultz is more consistent, freddie is ready to break out 35+ goals next season, walters even had a better season than him despite being panned on here
allan is about as mythical as a fit tabs
FTR, list of WC players that get a game (IMO of course).
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The if they were 95%+ fit even though that never seems to happen anymore brigade
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Possibly
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Guys who would if they weren't over the campaigner threshold
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Their list really has fallen off the cliff and the injuries to the quality older players really helped that along. Lets hope for their sake some of those kids are good and for ours they are all potatoes.
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- Kelly
- Darling or Allen (maybe both when Tabs is injured, I still think Amiss plays regardless)
- Gov or Barrass depending on balance and how they train compared to Cox (AP was captain so he is playing)
The if they were 95%+ fit even though that never seems to happen anymore brigade
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- Yeo
- Shuey
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- Sheed (maybe as a winger if someone else from WC can't do it)
Guys who would if they weren't over the campaigner threshold
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- Gaff
Their list really has fallen off the cliff and the injuries to the quality older players really helped that along. Lets hope for their sake some of those kids are good and for ours they are all potatoes.
I actually agree with the sentiment about Ryan being over the hill. He was a liability last season, for no real reason other than fitness or perhaps motivation in a shit team. For all the talk on this board about Son Son being passed it he was miles better than Ryan last season
Allen however is a good young forward and given the hype we've got about Amiss, we'd be losing our minds about him in all honesty
The big concern that the Eagles have is that their most important players are incredibly injury prone. Nic Nat, Shuey and McGovern all keep breaking down, Yeo has become completely unreliable and Sheed and Allen had serious issues last year, albeit those two don't have as bad a history as the rest. It creates a massive hole in a list that already has a pretty sizeable hole.
Once Nic Nat, Shuey and McGovern go, which will be sooner rather than later, the Eagles are in a serious world of hurt. Their serious fans are aware of this, however their casual fans (the majority of their fan base) don't really appreciate it. Another bottom 4 year and the crowd and membership numbers will be interesting, there is a real risk they're about to head into the worst period they've ever had as a club. A lot of their members are casual sports fans who just want to go for WA, and they go for the Eagles because the Eagles win and the Dockers lose. Will be interesting to see what the next couple of years does to the membership numbers
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2018 Ryan would. 2022 Ryan would be out of breath trying to walk in.
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What are you implying?
Is this the pre season and training site or the Freagles appreciation society
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