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SPP after reading Snuff has referred to him as a small forward

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Thanks kindly to all for the top notch training reports today. Very much appreciated.

Can I get some reviews on our nascent tall forwards in Liam Reidy, Josh Draper or others? Really think that’s our last big hole to fill.
 

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Snuffaluphagus said:
Haha, tried to base it on playstyle as much as actual size. SPP plays as "tall/small" as Schultz IMO
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I think that is the point with our smalls and possibly why we play so many. Despite what I read here sometimes, like SPP none of them are close to elite small forwards. Walters was once. We're cobbling together a good forward mix but a considerable part of it is based on SPP style bluster and graft not elite small forward craft.
 
Square Peg said:
I think that is the point with our smalls and probably why we play so many. Despite what I read here sometimes, like SPP none of them are close to elite small forwards. Walters was once. We're cobbling together a good forward mix but a considerable part of it is based on SPP style bluster and graft not elite small forward craft.
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No disagreement there, if taking out the pre-season hype - none of them have elite goal kicking nous bar Walters who is a few years past his prime. If you had faith Treacy is going to make it as a 40+ goal KPF, Kozi Picket would probably be the biggest pick-up we can make in the next 3 years
 
Dockernut said:
Thanks kindly to all for the top notch training reports today. Very much appreciated.

Can I get some reviews on our nascent tall forwards in Liam Reidy, Josh Draper or others? Really think that’s our last big hole to fill.
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Just from today, Draper played key back (i think). He looks a good size, didn't notice him either way. Hes closer than Davies at the minute so maybe he starts as KPD depth.

Reidy led the ruck (Jackson started forward), don't think he spent a lot of time forward today (he rotated off a bit when Jackson rucked). Presume he's still building as the ready made replacement.
 
A big thank you to the King (King Husky) and Piggy for your informative and insightful training reports.

You are both objective, realistic and enthusiastic thus painting a heady picture that is rightly raising excitement levels to extreme*. I am not sure what level of excitement comes after extreme but I am sure that's achievable in the next few weeks. *Hyper, mega excited perhaps?
 
Ignoramus Match Sim Report - 27/01/23
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    • I went along this morning too. I was up on the balcony for most of it. Won't give a full write up, but just a few thoughts and anything missed /overlooked in other reports.

    1) re. non-players: Brayshaw did laps for first hour, then machines for an hour, then done. Cox did warm-up, then laps for an hour, then done. Darcy and Worner did sprints for and laps. Wagner was on the machines for an hour (with Hayley Miller!) and then did a few laps. Benning did some sprints and laps. No sign of Emmett (who has been out with injury for a few weeks, I think), or Corbett, which is more surprising.

    2) agree with KH that the kicking skills were pretty ordinary early on, but improved after the long drill in between the first and second quarters. That drill saw them split into 3 groups, one on the far side of the ground (so didn’t really catch what they were doing), but the other two were playing against each other on a coned off 3/4-size oval, very skinny — not a match sim, per se, as there were no stoppages, and I don’t really recall any tackling to force a stoppage, so it was concentrated on transition, breaking tight zones, corralling and evasion, forward entry, etc. The groups rotated through.

    3) whether it was intended or not, meant to send a message or not, the teams were split more or less into an A and B team for the sim, but the B team more than held their own. Some stand out moments: Aish’s I50 to Fyfe for his first goal; Reidy roving his own ruck at a centre bounce (think it might have been thrown up, actually) and delivering beautifully I50 to Tabs(?); Jackson playing three different forward roles at the same time during the first quarter (contesting the mark, crumbing the spilled ball, hitting up a better option I50); Chapman gifting Amiss a free at the top of the goal square (and Amiss being all round bloody smart); Aish banging one from a set shot on the 50 m line close to the boundary.

    4) there’s been lots of praise for Erasmus, but for my money Johnson was by far the best for team grey. It might have been Ras getting the ball in tight, but it seemed always to be a 30cm hand pass to Johnson who invariably ducked and weaved, twisted and turned, and exploded out of the pack, and found a good option by foot, whether long or short. He was everywhere, and I don’t think I saw him get caught or turn it over at any stage, despite routinely finding himself under pressure. Pressure doesn’t phase him at all; he just evades. Erasmus by contrast got caught more than a couple of times as he tried to power his way through.

    5) my bests for purple:

    Switta — involved in absolutely everything for 3 out of the 4 quarters; deffo gonna be top 5 Doig if he stays on the park
    Aish — doing it all like last year, and maybe even doing it better
    Serong — the number one inside for purple
    Jackson — see under point 3 above
    Young — no explanation needed.

    My bests for grey:
    Johnson — see point 4 above
    Amiss — sensational. I don’t think he needs to be held back; I’d expect him to get a couple even against the No.1 defender
    Stubbs — this guy plays well; a bit like Schultz, great pressure, goes hard into marking contests and gets a bit of air, lots of second and third efforts.
    Erasmus … by this point I’m just naming names, because it really felt like those first three were doing everything, even though grey matched purple overall.

    I’m sure there was more. Will post things if/as I remember them. Oh, here’s one:

    *Kuek took a knock to the head at one point, possible boot to the face? went off for all of about 12 seconds before he was back on rucking the centre bounce against Jackson! For 90% of the time it Reidy v Knobel with Reidy getting the points.
     
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    • ignoramus said:
    I went along this morning too. I was up on the balcony for most of it. Won't give a full write up, but just a few thoughts and anything missed /overlooked in other reports.

    1) re. non-players: Brayshaw did laps for first hour, then machines for an hour, then done. Cox did warm-up, then laps for an hour, then done. Darcy and Worner did sprints for and laps. Wagner was on the machines for an hour (with Hayley Miller!) and then did a few laps. Benning did some sprints and laps. No sign of Emmett (who has been out with injury for a few weeks, I think), or Corbett, which is more surprising.

    2) agree with KH that the kicking skills were pretty ordinary early on, but improved after the long drill in between the first and second quarters. That drill saw them split into 3 groups, one on the far side of the ground (so didn’t really catch what they were doing), but the other two were playing against each other on a coned off 3/4-size oval, very skinny — not a match sim, per se, as there were no stoppages, and I don’t really recall any tackling to force a stoppage, so it was concentrated on transition, breaking tight zones, corralling and evasion, forward entry, etc. The groups rotated through.

    3) whether it was intended or not, meant to send a message or not, the teams were split more or less into an A and B team for the sim, but the B team more than held their own. Some stand out moments: Aish’s I50 to Fyfe for his first goal; Reidy roving his own ruck at a centre bounce (think it might have been thrown up, actually) and delivering beautifully I50 to Tabs(?); Jackson playing three different forward roles at the same time during the first quarter (contesting the mark, crumbing the spilled ball, hitting up a better option I50); Chapman gifting Amiss a free at the top of the goal square (and Amiss being all round bloody smart); Aish banging one from a set shot on the 50 m line close to the boundary.

    4) there’s been lots of praise for Erasmus, but for my money Johnson was by far the best for team grey. It might have been Ras getting the ball in tight, but it seemed always to be a 30cm hand pass to Johnson who invariably ducked and weaved, twisted and turned, and exploded out of the pack, and found a good option by foot, whether long or short. He was everywhere, and I don’t think I saw him get caught or turn it over at any stage, despite routinely finding himself under pressure. Pressure doesn’t phase him at all; he just evades. Erasmus by contrast got caught more than a couple of times as he tried to power his way through.

    5) my bests for purple:

    Switta — involved in absolutely everything for 3 out of the 4 quarters; deffo gonna be top 5 Doig if he stays on the park
    Aish — doing it all like last year, and maybe even doing it better
    Serong — the number one inside for purple
    Jackson — see under point 3 above
    Young — no explanation needed.

    My bests for grey:
    Johnson — see point 4 above
    Amiss — sensational. I don’t think he needs to be held back; I’d expect him to get a couple even against the No.1 defender
    Stubbs — this guy plays well; a bit like Schultz, great pressure, goes hard into marking contests and gets a bit of air, lots of second and third efforts.
    Erasmus … by this point I’m just naming names, because it really felt like those first three were doing everything, even though grey matched purple overall.

    I’m sure there was more. Will post things if/as I remember them. Oh, here’s one:

    *Kuek took a knock to the head at one point, possible boot to the face? went off for all of about 12 seconds before he was back on rucking the centre bounce against Jackson! For 90% of the time it Reidy v Knobel with Reidy getting the points.
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    Very interesting discussion regarding the young midfield bulls. Both going to be extremely valuable to us with their size and abilities.

    Given midfield opportunities are going to be at a premium is the Acres vacant wing the only likely opportunity?
     
    ignoramus said:
    I went along this morning too. I was up on the balcony for most of it. Won't give a full write up, but just a few thoughts and anything missed /overlooked in other reports.

    1) re. non-players: Brayshaw did laps for first hour, then machines for an hour, then done. Cox did warm-up, then laps for an hour, then done. Darcy and Worner did sprints for and laps. Wagner was on the machines for an hour (with Hayley Miller!) and then did a few laps. Benning did some sprints and laps. No sign of Emmett (who has been out with injury for a few weeks, I think), or Corbett, which is more surprising.

    2) agree with KH that the kicking skills were pretty ordinary early on, but improved after the long drill in between the first and second quarters. That drill saw them split into 3 groups, one on the far side of the ground (so didn’t really catch what they were doing), but the other two were playing against each other on a coned off 3/4-size oval, very skinny — not a match sim, per se, as there were no stoppages, and I don’t really recall any tackling to force a stoppage, so it was concentrated on transition, breaking tight zones, corralling and evasion, forward entry, etc. The groups rotated through.

    3) whether it was intended or not, meant to send a message or not, the teams were split more or less into an A and B team for the sim, but the B team more than held their own. Some stand out moments: Aish’s I50 to Fyfe for his first goal; Reidy roving his own ruck at a centre bounce (think it might have been thrown up, actually) and delivering beautifully I50 to Tabs(?); Jackson playing three different forward roles at the same time during the first quarter (contesting the mark, crumbing the spilled ball, hitting up a better option I50); Chapman gifting Amiss a free at the top of the goal square (and Amiss being all round bloody smart); Aish banging one from a set shot on the 50 m line close to the boundary.

    4) there’s been lots of praise for Erasmus, but for my money Johnson was by far the best for team grey. It might have been Ras getting the ball in tight, but it seemed always to be a 30cm hand pass to Johnson who invariably ducked and weaved, twisted and turned, and exploded out of the pack, and found a good option by foot, whether long or short. He was everywhere, and I don’t think I saw him get caught or turn it over at any stage, despite routinely finding himself under pressure. Pressure doesn’t phase him at all; he just evades. Erasmus by contrast got caught more than a couple of times as he tried to power his way through.

    5) my bests for purple:

    Switta — involved in absolutely everything for 3 out of the 4 quarters; deffo gonna be top 5 Doig if he stays on the park
    Aish — doing it all like last year, and maybe even doing it better
    Serong — the number one inside for purple
    Jackson — see under point 3 above
    Young — no explanation needed.

    My bests for grey:
    Johnson — see point 4 above
    Amiss — sensational. I don’t think he needs to be held back; I’d expect him to get a couple even against the No.1 defender
    Stubbs — this guy plays well; a bit like Schultz, great pressure, goes hard into marking contests and gets a bit of air, lots of second and third efforts.
    Erasmus … by this point I’m just naming names, because it really felt like those first three were doing everything, even though grey matched purple overall.

    I’m sure there was more. Will post things if/as I remember them. Oh, here’s one:

    *Kuek took a knock to the head at one point, possible boot to the face? went off for all of about 12 seconds before he was back on rucking the centre bounce against Jackson! For 90% of the time it Reidy v Knobel with Reidy getting the points.
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    Mate! Terrific report. It's great to get different perspectives.

    I still think Eurasmus was best for greys even with a few moments of getting caught but that's the beauty of us all seeing things a little different.

    Some of your points about Switta amongst others are cause for excitement as we need to have a potent forward line.

    Legend!
     

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    Snuffaluphagus said:
    Using this (Your club's best 22 in 2023: Who's in, who's out, who's new) for the time being

    Brisbane: 3 (Zorko, Bailey, Cameron) plus McCarthy
    Carlton:     4 (Durdin, Fisher, Owies, Motlop)
    Collingwood: 3 (Ginnivan, Elliot, McCreery)
    Geelong: 3 (Stengle, Close, Miers)
    Melbourne: 2 (Pickett, ANB) - the close to 1 but I'd disagree Spargo is missing out anyway
    Port Adelaide: 3 (Rioli, Butters, SPP)
    Richmond: 3 (Baker, Rioli, Bolton)
    Sydney: 2 (Gulden, Papley)

    Overall, I think every good team bar Sydney play at least 3 smalls in some shape or form (though I'd argue you could include Hayward here) but only Carlton definitively play 4. You're probably have a point we play one small too many but I think it's a bit crazy to suggest dropping two of the names you mentioned in a forwardline that would have Jackson/Darcy, Fyfe, Amiss/Treacy and Tabs if you dropped just one small - that's plenty tall enough.
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    Good list, but I still maintain it is 1 or mostly 2 x small forwards. Except for Geelong. Have only kept most of the good-ish sides in. The players I highlighted in red are not small forwards in the context of how I am classifying our small forwards (akin to the green players above). Red are predominantly mids/half backs (e.g. Baker, Zorko), or medium forwards (e.g. Hayward, McReery). Orange are in the realm of small forwards, but still spend more time in the midfield than forward. For the record I would most definitely play 4 x Bolton quality players.

    Carlton - have the same issue as us with those names you listed (Fisher perhaps more a mid). Perhaps even more problems, as I actually wouldn't give any of them a game at Freo over any of the four we use. If all four of those are in their best 22, I would be staggered.

    Dogs I left out above. In my head they were a 1 x small team (Weightman), but there are some more guys there that you list, but all in that 181-183cm range which is a bit awkward (plus others on the list like Johannisen, McLean). I think they have a problem with their forward line balance.

    Maybe I shouldn't call Freddy a small forward if I am saying Bullen and Bailey (same heights) are not, but he still lines up inside the 50 mostly, and the others are mostly mids. Freddy hasn't had the tank to move up the ground much. If Freddy turns into winger/forward, it still leaves us with 3 x small forwards who don't have much leaping ability (Walters days behind him), which is pushing it for me considering there is no AA quality in there.

    As per your last comment, dropping one of them would not be to play all that tall timber. It would be to have more room to play a midfielder and/or medium forward.
     
    Alfonz said:
    Good list, but I still maintain it is 1 or mostly 2 x small forwards. Except for Geelong. Have only kept most of the good-ish sides in. The players I highlighted in red are not small forwards in the context of how I am classifying our small forwards (akin to the green players above). Red are predominantly mids/half backs (e.g. Baker, Zorko), or medium forwards (e.g. Hayward, McReery). Orange are in the realm of small forwards, but still spend more time in the midfield than forward. For the record I would most definitely play 4 x Bolton quality players.

    Carlton - have the same issue as us with those names you listed (Fisher perhaps more a mid). Perhaps even more problems, as I actually wouldn't give any of them a game at Freo over any of the four we use. If all four of those are in their best 22, I would be staggered.

    Dogs I left out above. In my head they were a 1 x small team (Weightman), but there are some more guys there that you list, but all in that 181-183cm range which is a bit awkward (plus others on the list like Johannisen, McLean). I think they have a problem with their forward line balance.

    Maybe I shouldn't call Freddy a small forward if I am saying Bullen and Bailey (same heights) are not, but he still lines up inside the 50 mostly, and the others are mostly mids. Freddy hasn't had the tank to move up the ground much. If Freddy turns into winger/forward, it still leaves us with 3 x small forwards who don't have much leaping ability (Walters days behind him), which is pushing it for me considering there is no AA quality in there.

    As per your last comment, dropping one of them would not be to play all that tall timber. It would be to have more room to play a midfielder and/or medium forward.
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    I think you raise a lot of good points and while I don’t strictly agree with your classifications, I think out of Walters, Schultz and Switta, we are probably playing one too many. Probably why I was quite keen on Zurhaar to play that aggressive mid sized forward.

    While I like all our smalls, Schultz is the one I’d drop for a Zurhaar type, Schultz is kinda playing that same role, just at 10cm smaller
     
    2nd hand info, but bloke reporting for 6PR tonight from Channel 9, Mitch somebody (not Woodcock), said Stubbs kicked 3 goals and got into in a bit of yap with Chapman.

    He also said Amiss kicked 3 and was a good target, flew for marks - one goal was a snap from a quick recovering after contesting and his other two goals were from free kick infringements.
     
    stax on the mull said:
    2nd hand info, but bloke reporting for 6PR tonight from Channel 9, Mitch somebody (not Woodcock), said Stubbs kicked 3 goals and got into in a bit of yap with Chapman.

    He also said Amiss kicked 3 and was a good target, flew for marks - one goal was a snap from a quick recovering after contesting and his other two goals were from free kick infringements.
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    Yes true

    Chapman looked rusty today
     
    Purpletown said:
    A big thank you to the King (King Husky) and Piggy for your informative and insightful training reports.

    You are both objective, realistic and enthusiastic thus painting a heady picture that is rightly raising excitement levels to extreme*. I am not sure what level of excitement comes after extreme but I am sure that's achievable in the next few weeks. *Hyper, mega excited perhaps?
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    Logue to the midfield level comes after extreme level IMO
     
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