Preview 2023 Rd 12 Carlton vs Melbourne Friday June 2 7:50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …





IN: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

OUT: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

(hamstring), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(hand), Ed Curnow

AFL team changes: Five ins for Friday

Carlton has named five returnees for Friday night football.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Lewis Young	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jesse Motlop	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Matthew Kennedy	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Sam Docherty
	Lochie O'Brien
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Lachie Plowman

 

[Aphrodite]

Don’t even joke about something like this. It’s one of the highlights of my week. Best laugh ever.

Here for the melts Toady

 

[Aphrodite]

Ed the sub again

Priceless.


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Sub hasn't been named.

Will be named 1hr before the game.

 

[Juddernaut08]

One year as above average for his career, every other would be average or below. There's a reason he's been shifted back and it's not because he was playing so well on ball.

He definitely shouldn't be back though whoever thought that was a good idea needs a spell. He's got to be on ball.

Kennedy was shifted back because Voss has poor judgement.

Despite having less opportunities, he's been better than Hewett and Ed, but given less opportunities.

Even more bizarre - he's barely been played forward.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Here for the melts Toady

Wait til the game day thread when Harry open up in the first and kicks 0.2 and one on the full

 

[Aphrodite]

Wait til the game day thread when Harry open up in the first and kicks 0.2 and one on the full

Will be at the MCG.

 

[myblueroan]

Hilarious Joey.

 

[myblueroan]

Will be at the MCG.

Will be at my Mt Buller Condo stables. With a delicious selection of oat cheeses with mulled mollasesberry gluwein.
Oh, wait...
I need to phone my Dees loving, polo pony friend to make that happen.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Hilarious Joey.

That's before he kicks 5 straight

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Will be at the MCG.

I'm shocked.. I mean fancy actually going to the game and not being on your phone the whole time!!!

 

[Aphrodite]

Will be at my Mt Buller Condo stables. With a delicious selection of oat cheeses with mulled mollasesberry gluwein.
Oh, wait...
I need to phone my Dees loving, polo pony friend to make that happen.

I will be sharing a cheese platter with my Dees mate in the MCC

 

[Aphrodite]

I'm shocked.. I mean fancy actually going to the game and not being on your phone the whole time!!!

I don't do phones at the footy.

I am there to watch the game.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

No room for Dow?

Collingwood - 4 inside mids + the two daicos.
Bulldogs - 5+ inside mids.... They have room for Treloar on top of them all too.
etc etc
Carlton - Cripps, Kennedy (who isn't even playing 'inside') and before this round Hewett. That is it. All other clubs use their Cerra and walsh types as first receivers away from the contest. Their Docherty types off half back and then rotate the extra contested mids through.

Think the main 'issue' for Dow is - yeah - he doesn't fit because we don't rotate. Just look at other clubs though, contested midfield is a brutal spot, they need to rotate in game. Pretty much every other club has that figured out...

By inside mids I’m referring to more one dimensional type inside midfielders. Libba and Mitchel types from Collingwood and the Bulldogs.
For the Dogs I’d say Bont is as balanced as there is. I don’t know who else you are counting but players like Smith and Macrae are as equally good out on a wing.
Collingwood maybe Adam’s is one dimensional but guys like Crisp and Pendles have always had more of a link up game then any of Cripps, Dow, Hewett or Kennedy.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We should at least try and take advantage of no Oliver for Melbourne (least early) and if we still struggle to score after about 15 mins, then throw Cripps forward, although his set shot kicking at goal leaves a lot to be desired.

So what you're saying is that if we're struggling to score after about 15 minutes, we should throw Cripps forward to miss goals

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

By inside mids I’m referring to more one dimensional type inside midfielders. Libba and Mitchel types from Collingwood and the Bulldogs.
For the Dogs I’d say Bont is as balanced as there is. I don’t know who else you are counting but players like Smith and Macrae are as equally good out on a wing.
Collingwood maybe Adam’s is one dimensional but guys like Crisp and Pendles have always had more of a link up game then any of Cripps, Dow, Hewett or Kennedy.

Disagree wholeheartedly especially on the pies players. Kennedy plays link up footy with any one them - except Bont and pendles who are just all time greats. Bont spends so much time rotating forward he's BECOME a good all round mid. He was 'just' a ball follower to start. It allows them to stay so fresh in the middle with libba being their Cripps MacRae their Walsh and both being able to rest after crashing in for cream Bont to come in. Keeps the engine far better oiled.

Pies are the same with Mitchell Adams etc.

We don't even rotate Kennedy through. We are Cripps or bust. Wouldn't be surprised if we analysed the fade out games last season we'd find the on ball brigade attending too high a number of contests not resting enough and getting beaten up by the end of the game without good fresh rotations.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Are they balancing the team for the first time this season or playing favourites for the 12th time this season.

I think we’ve seen enough to suggest the latter.

We will have to wait and see

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Hearing whispers Roast Lamb is on the cards at Chateau de Numbers tonight.

As this is a fully licensed premises, alcohol will
be available & in vast amounts too.

 

[katmanblue]

He did bring it on himself by wanting to stay.

Had every right to be looking for a move but didn't pursue it.

He knew this is what had been happening and could keep happening.

Obviously he accepted that scenario.

I think he was fine with moving but didn't want a pay cut. His contract was why no one wanted him.

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[Magruder]

Don't have the balls in the coaching box to do it.

We should at least try and take advantage of no Oliver for Melbourne (least early) and if we still struggle to score after about 15 mins, then throw Cripps forward, although his set shot kicking at goal leaves a lot to be desired.

Elmer_Judd - too conservative - start him forward and then put him in the guts - either to compound an advantage if we're winning the ball or wrestle stoppages back on our terms if we're not.

 

[Bostonian]

His goal kicking, especially set shot is sub par. So hey, why not throw him forward and see if he can kick 0.4 just like the rest.

Sigh.....

He was ok last season. Not like he can't do it if he actually trains for it.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Disagree wholeheartedly especially on the pies players. Kennedy plays link up footy with any one them - except Bont and pendles who are just all time greats. Bont spends so much time rotating forward he's BECOME a good all round mid. He was 'just' a ball follower to start. It allows them to stay so fresh in the middle with libba being their Cripps MacRae their Walsh and both being able to rest after crashing in for cream Bont to come in. Keeps the engine far better oiled.

Pies are the same with Mitchell Adams etc.

We don't even rotate Kennedy through. We are Cripps or bust. Wouldn't be surprised if we analysed the fade out games last season we'd find the on ball brigade attending too high a number of contests not resting enough and getting beaten up by the end of the game without good fresh rotations.

What I’m saying is which three mids in those sides are as one dimensional as 3 of Dow, Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy? Kennedy is the most versatile of those three and he can’t play back as we have seen and is a slow forward who would struggle to fit in the forward line if we are playing JSOS or TDK down there as ruck forwards.

 

[myblueroan]

I will be sharing a cheese platter with my Dees mate in the MCC

I think that bucket hat is inside out!
Decorum, please Dees people!
Get the fashion police onto her Aph!

 

[Magruder]

It improved last year (kicked 20.9) - but the key for Cripps is pushing himself forward from the stoppage and therefore making a smaller player defend him - a matchup he can take advantage of. When he starts a centre bounce in the f50 it doesn't work because he can get in the way of other forwards and gets into wrestling matches too often.

Needs to play forward differently then coz at the mo he's not dangerous: either in the stoppage or pushing forward from it.

 

[gadj1976]

It improved last year (kicked 20.9) - but the key for Cripps is pushing himself forward from the stoppage and therefore making a smaller player defend him - a matchup he can take advantage of. When he starts a centre bounce in the f50 it doesn't work because he can get in the way of other forwards and gets into wrestling matches too often.

I agree, it did. Early he was good with 3 & 3 from memory.

13.11 in 2021
7.11 in 2020
13.6 in 2019

Either way he just isn't a goalkicking midfielder.

I'd love him to add that weapon to his game but with us needing him in the midfield and him not converting it doesn't bode well for him going forward.

PERSONALLY, I'd try it though, swapping him with Kennedy. What could go wrong ;-)

 

[SOSforPM]

Reckon we will win tomorrow just quietly.
The Dees have been struggling themselves and have no Clarry (who normally destroys us) plus their forward line is not exactly going great guns.

Selection politics and controversies aside, I feel pretty damn bullish about our chances.


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Don’t do it to yourself

 

[Beyond Blue]

Good call.
It’s suicide playing Silvagni in the ruck.
Can’t believe they’d even be considering it against Gawn and Grundy … or anyone really …

I almost fell over when Voss said TDk will be “well supported” by Jack in the ruck. I can only hope he was foxing. IMO Young must back up TDk in the rucks. If SOS rucks we’ll get slaughtered like we did against the Pies. I actually would mind seeing SOS go behind the ball and Gov going forward.

I’m not big on bashing Voss’ game plan nor his non selection of Dow but some of the positional stuff has been truly baffling and really makes me question his coaching capabilities. SOS in the ruck should have been shelved forever after the Pies game. Same goes for Kennedy at half back.