Preview 2023 Rd 12 Carlton vs Melbourne Friday June 2 7:50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …





IN: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

OUT: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

(hamstring), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(hand), Ed Curnow

AFL team changes: Five ins for Friday

Carlton has named five returnees for Friday night football.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Lewis Young	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jesse Motlop	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Matthew Kennedy	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Sam Docherty
	Lochie O'Brien
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Lachie Plowman

 

[skadoosh]

My view is (and has been since last year) no coach can make up for this type of stuff - no coach or game plan or ABCD derivation of swapping magnets this is ALL on the players on field peformance...

enjoy the watching...

Saba is usually spot on with his videos and I understand his frustration with the team and why he ended up making a meme-laced video.
However, if anyone's expecting any level of analysis like his usual videos, you'll be disappointed.

 

[Bostonian]

Cripps should be playing more time up forward.

Plenty examples over the years of successful teams pushing their gun onballer forward for positive impact.

 

[Jatz]

He did bring it on himself by wanting to stay.

Had every right to be looking for a move but didn't pursue it.

He knew this is what had been happening and could keep happening.

Obviously he accepted that scenario.

I thought he was still contracted for this year? I was under the impression we'd put him up for trade but there were very few suitors?

 

[Beyond Blue]

For those that look at Dow's history of playing ones he is listed as playing 4 games last year. In fact, 3 of those games he was sub. It's hard to do too much when you are sub. So under Voss he has played 1 senior game. That is all.

Our ones are playing garbage football. We are too predictable and too slow in the midfield. Dow is tearing it up in the twos and needs to be given a chance to refresh our midfield. It is disappointing that he is not selected. Who will run off Cripps this week?

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Slight semantics but he was picked in the starting line up and played full games twice last season - in round 11 vs Collingwood and round 21 vs Brisbane - he played ok against the Pies but was pretty ordinary against the Lions.

 

[Bostonian]

I thought he was still contracted for this year? I was under the impression we'd put him up for trade but there were very few suitors?

That reads more like he didn't want to go.

Former top five draft pick keen to stay at Carlton

“This is what I’ve been told.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

And then I’ll criticise them, not while I think they are actually balancing our midfield out for the first time this season

Are they balancing the team for the first time this season or playing favourites for the 12th time this season.

I think we’ve seen enough to suggest the latter.

 

[Juddernaut08]

If you have two of them in at all times you end up only giving Cerra and Walsh 50% midfield time which imo they are the two we actually need in there the most.

Well that's just wrong.

Walsh spends a lot of time as the HFF to run in as an extra. I think this is an idiotic tactic, but that's how Voss does it.

I'm all for discussion but you keep shifting the goalposts every time you're shown to be incorrect. Poor form. Poor form.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

No room for Dow?

Collingwood - 4 inside mids + the two daicos.
Bulldogs - 5+ inside mids.... They have room for Treloar on top of them all too.
etc etc
Carlton - Cripps, Kennedy (who isn't even playing 'inside') and before this round Hewett. That is it. All other clubs use their Cerra and walsh types as first receivers away from the contest. Their Docherty types off half back and then rotate the extra contested mids through.

Think the main 'issue' for Dow is - yeah - he doesn't fit because we don't rotate. Just look at other clubs though, contested midfield is a brutal spot, they need to rotate in game. Pretty much every other club has that figured out...

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Cripps should be playing more time up forward.

Plenty examples over the years of successful teams pushing their gun onballer forward for positive impact.

So we're fixing our forward line efficiency and kicking for goal issues by moving the guy who has kicked 1 goal 9 for the season into the forward line?

 

[Magruder]

Cripps should be playing more time up forward.

Plenty examples over the years of successful teams pushing their gun onballer forward for positive impact.

actually, why not start him there?

 

[Red Bull]

There’s just no way we can put Jack in the middle against big Max & Grundy after the mauling he copped against the pies.

Get ready H, time to step up.

Good call.
It’s suicide playing Silvagni in the ruck.
Can’t believe they’d even be considering it against Gawn and Grundy … or anyone really …

 

[Bostonian]

actually, why not start him there?

Don't have the balls in the coaching box to do it.

 

[JustaBattler]

Saba is usually spot on with his videos and I understand his frustration with the team and why he ended up making a meme-laced video.
However, if anyone's expecting any level of analysis like his usual videos, you'll be disappointed.

That kind of stuff on display is UNANALYSABLE which is why he asked people for help - it is inexplicably bad like so so bad...but the set shot kicking takes the cake...nothing a coach can do if your star forwards are missing set shots like that...it is all in the year's stats quoted previously - not rocket science.

 

[Accidental genius]

No room for Dow?

Collingwood - 4 inside mids + the two daicos.
Bulldogs - 5+ inside mids.... They have room for Treloar on top of them all too.
etc etc
Carlton - Cripps, Kennedy (who isn't even playing 'inside') and before this round Hewett. That is it. All other clubs use their Cerra and walsh types as first receivers away from the contest. Their Docherty types off half back and then rotate the extra contested mids through.

Think the main 'issue' for Dow is - yeah - he doesn't fit because we don't rotate. Just look at other clubs though, contested midfield is a brutal spot, they need to rotate in game. Pretty much every other club has that figured out...

Good points.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

actually, why not start him there?

We should at least try and take advantage of no Oliver for Melbourne (least early) and if we still struggle to score after about 15 mins, then throw Cripps forward, although his set shot kicking at goal leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Good call.
It’s suicide playing Silvagni in the ruck.
Can’t believe they’d even be considering it against Gawn and Grundy … or anyone really …

Been a problem at Carlton for years.

We play break even rucks at best & it’s killing us.

Go spend a quid EOS & get a decent one.

If the Dees can take on a million dollar 2nd ruck, surely the penny has dropped.

 

[ajb72]

cmon we just signed Pitto on for another 4 years....

 

[teddy-hopkins]

TDK gets another chance to seize the #1 ruck role for himself over the next 2 weeks.

If he can't do it it's on him and he can go looking for another club at the end of season if he wants but it will change nothing.

There are no clubs in the AFL who don't have another ruck at least as good as Pitto whom he'll need supplant to play guaranteed regular footy.

 

[Coops93]

Kennedy doesn’t get a stat for his most selfless & valuable role - the crash test dummy. When we are playing well he invariably becomes the link player who gets absolutely smashed by hospital handballs/kicks - he still gets an effective disposal & carry’s on. You get bang for buck with his disposals, he loses very few contests & his tackles stick - none of that appears in the stat sheet.
We are just using him very very poorly - he’s mid/fwd not mid/back

Agree I've never seen anyone receive as many hospital passes as him. It's like there's a bet internally around who can get him hit the hardest this week.

As for the tackling... he only averages 3 a game for his career. It's not really a strength. Even in a career best season last yr playing mid all season it was 4. He's not exactly a tackler. Doesn't seem right given his reputation as this crash and bash inside mid, but he also only averages single digit contest possessions and below 4 clearances a game.

I do like his disposal and marking though. Its almost like his skill set is more outside mid but his physical ability says he should be inside.

 

[Coops93]

He was rated as above average in almost every statistical category playing on ball last year. This year he is playing as a backman - difficult to rack up stats when you're lining up on Mihocek (yes, that happened).

One year as above average for his career, every other would be average or below. There's a reason he's been shifted back and it's not because he was playing so well on ball.

He definitely shouldn't be back though whoever thought that was a good idea needs a spell. He's got to be on ball.

 

[Coops93]

Tipped a conservative selection week and they didn't disappoint. Only one I got wrong was Ed Curnow with Young coming back instead.

That's not new. He's always gone the conservative route with experience and the guys he knows more than youth and something different, even dating back to his Brisbane days it was his m.o.

I'm disappointed it hasn't changed.

 

[gadj1976]

Cripps should be playing more time up forward.

Plenty examples over the years of successful teams pushing their gun onballer forward for positive impact.

His goal kicking, especially set shot is sub par. So hey, why not throw him forward and see if he can kick 0.4 just like the rest.

Sigh.....

 

[carlton_99]

His goal kicking, especially set shot is sub par. So hey, why not throw him forward and see if he can kick 0.4 just like the rest.

Sigh.....

It improved last year (kicked 20.9) - but the key for Cripps is pushing himself forward from the stoppage and therefore making a smaller player defend him - a matchup he can take advantage of. When he starts a centre bounce in the f50 it doesn't work because he can get in the way of other forwards and gets into wrestling matches too often.

 

[Blue_Hock]

Not sure if in the Welcome Dow or game preview thread.

 

[bradfisher14]

One year as above average for his career, every other would be average or below. There's a reason he's been shifted back and it's not because he was playing so well on ball.

He definitely shouldn't be back though whoever thought that was a good idea needs a spell. He's got to be on ball.

He’s played two games in the guts so far this year with an average of 24. That’s above average again. He also played an influential role in our best win of the season. He also finished top 10 in the JNM playing midfield last year. To suggest that he’s been shifted back due to poor form is wrong imo.

As far as I’m concerned, he has more than enough runs on the board to get significant inside mid minutes.

The more I see him lining up in defence, the more I lose faith in this coaching group. Simple as that.