Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[GreyCrow]

Today is Spin Day - the day the bots work overtime telling us how great the club did in

• promoting organic growth
• building a war chest
• how many targets we aimed for

CLuB Is GraTe

I forgot

- at least we aren't the Powa

- The players we let go were shit anyway

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Prefer their last 15 years over ours

Yeah ....thanks to the Father / Son rule

 

[DJ75]

While I dont believe Port are deliberately ahead of the curve - the trend will be towards the bigger players with athletic skills - question is do they?

The Collingwood 6 footer has been replaced by the 2020s 200cm footer

Not so sure about that.
The biggest indicator of winning games at the moment is ground ball gets. The biggest winners in this category are the smaller mids - Daicos, Daicos, Neale etc... There is thought that one or two talls at either end a ruck and an army of small ball winners is the way to go.

 

[cleanhands]

Yeah ....thanks to the Father / Son rule

I get flat when we look at other clubs and we make excuses for our own, we need to be better and smarter to get ahead of the pack

 

[Crow till I die]

I get flat when we look at other clubs and we make excuses for our own, we need to be better and smarter to get ahead of the pack

to make more father / sons?

 

[cleanhands]

to make more father / sons?

Better stallions

 

[WeeBlake]

My only concern is the inability to achieve the seated aim of getting good experienced players in. Talking about it and then not getting it done is not good, but nothing to lose sleep over. Genuinely top level players are hard to get.

People screaming that we’ve lost 2 best 22 players are forgetting some things. First Doedee is best 22 according to our selectors but not most of us on here. Most of us on here have been proved right. We’re better off with Worrell. Doedee is the type (third tallish back) that we have too many of. He’s done his knee twice. The pick we got for him is an amazing return and we should be very pleased with this result.

Macadam is more of a loss, but not a big one. He’s in the 17-25th picked range. He’s 29, and struggles to string games together. We don’t have a player to replace his combo of marking, speed and tackling. Still, losing this kind of player is not an open-a-vein moment.

We can joke about about organic growth, but given our list profile, our organic growth should be able to replace a depth/SANFL/knee-rehab 3rd tall and a good 15 games a year forward.

It’s not great but it is nothing to lose sleep over imho.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I get flat when we look at other clubs and we make excuses for our own, we need to be better and smarter to get ahead of the pack

Like NORTH ? ......jettison all your experienced players, so you can get huge handouts from the AFL

You do have to factor in greater access to father / son picks .....the VIC bias in trading .....and the Northern Academies

That's a big handicap

 

[DJ75]

I get flat when we look at other clubs and we make excuses for our own, we need to be better and smarter to get ahead of the pack

We need the same advantages the other clubs get.
Vic clubs - prestige, Father-Son, TV, travel, income opportunities
NSW/QLD clubs - Massive academy advantage, previous salary assistance
SA clubs? - Port funding by AFL. Us?

 

[cleanhands]

We need the same advantages the other clubs get.
Vic clubs - prestige, Father-Son, TV, travel, income opportunities
NSW/QLD clubs - Massive academy advantage, previous salary assistance
SA clubs? - Port funding by AFL. Us?

Maybe I should just stop following the AFC if they can’t get ahead

 

[DJ75]

My only concern is the inability to achieve the seated aim of getting good experienced players in. Talking about it and then not getting it done is not good, but nothing to lose sleep over. Genuinely top level players are hard to get.

People screaming that we’ve lost 2 best 22 players are forgetting some things. First Doedee is best 22 according to our selectors but not most of us on here. Most of us on here have been proved right. We’re better off with Worrell. Doedee is the type (third tallish back) that we have too many of. He’s done his knee twice. The pick we got for him is an amazing return and we should be very pleased with this result.

Macadam is more of a loss, but not a big one. He’s in the 17-25th picked range. He’s 29, and struggles to string games together. We don’t have a player to replace his combo of marking, speed and tackling. Still, losing this kind of player is not an open-a-vein moment.

We can joke about about organic growth, but given our list profile, our organic growth should be able to replace a depth/SANFL/knee-rehab 3rd tall and a good 15 games a year forward.

It’s not great but it is nothing to lose sleep over imho.

I pretty much agree with all of this. Both are good quality players, but are are replaceable.
It's a loss in the short term, but opens opportunities as well. Will Gollant step up? Cook? Dowling?

 

[DJ75]

Maybe I should just stop following the AFC if they can’t get ahead

You're not wrong.

That or you accept it is entertainment only. It's not life or death. Pay your money, watch for fun and don't care who wins or loses. It's a heavily corrupted league.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It means PORT's Drafting has been suspect .....outside Rozee / Butters .....where are the ticks ?

To compensate, Port have to trade excessively

Bergman goes alright..

 

[cleanhands]

You're not wrong.

That or you accept it is entertainment only. It's not life or death. Pay your money, watch for fun and don't care who wins or loses. It's a heavily corrupted league.

I must admit if I don’t see a significant spike this year probably done

 

[weekend at bernies]

Does everyone have everything crossed that Poort let Sav to the pre season draft?? pretty sure Norf would like a KPD to replace what they just lost.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Bergman goes alright..

Does Sinn make it ? ....PORT have 11 players on their list, who were traded in ....not a lot of talent in some others Drafted

 

[footy4ever]

Bergman goes alright..

Gun!

 

[BACCS]

I don't mind what they have done (are doing) in this period. They have a ruck and KPD weakness and have gone about trying to address it.

Structurally, Ratugolea has the size to take the big key forward leaving Alir to play intercept which is what they would have wanted. Lycett was on 1 leg and their other rucks are raw and largely untried so getting 2 guys in that are in the right age bracket for not much is ok.

Where it could badly unravel is if they lose Butters or Rozee to injury and lose midfield dominance as you would not think any new player they bring in is going to be able to close the floodgates if they open. and they drop right down the ladder and their F1 they split ends up being a top 10 pick in a SA heavy strong midfield draft as its being called this far out

Frampton also has the size to play on a big key forward, doesn't mean he's very good at it.

 

[MRB37]

My only concern is the inability to achieve the seated aim of getting good experienced players in. Talking about it and then not getting it done is not good, but nothing to lose sleep over. Genuinely top level players are hard to get.

People screaming that we’ve lost 2 best 22 players are forgetting some things. First Doedee is best 22 according to our selectors but not most of us on here. Most of us on here have been proved right. We’re better off with Worrell. Doedee is the type (third tallish back) that we have too many of. He’s done his knee twice. The pick we got for him is an amazing return and we should be very pleased with this result.

Macadam is more of a loss, but not a big one. He’s in the 17-25th picked range. He’s 29, and struggles to string games together. We don’t have a player to replace his combo of marking, speed and tackling. Still, losing this kind of player is not an open-a-vein moment.

We can joke about about organic growth, but given our list profile, our organic growth should be able to replace a depth/SANFL/knee-rehab 3rd tall and a good 15 games a year forward.

It’s not great but it is nothing to lose sleep over imho.

I'm also guessing we're gonna be losing/cutting quite a few guys this time next year too. There's still a big list of ? guys, your McHenry, Sholl, Hamill, Bond, Parnell, Cook types who haven't been able to nail down a spot for various reasons. Add in Walker, Sloane and Smith potentially all retiring and Himmelberg probably leaving we've got the potential to have more than a few spots there next year, so I don't think hitting the draft again in the top end is the worst long-term move.

Next year if we need to top up that experience level a bit we can look at a few guys, like we did a few years ago with Keays, Crocker and Hinge to round out the side, and they may even be able to do that again this year in the rookie draft. Or the old David Noble method too where he targetted fringe guys like Lynch, Jenkins, Seedsman etc, but this year I don't think we had the spots to do it.

Ideally we'd of had more flexibility in our list this year to add some more pieces to improve the depth a bit having lost Doods and McAdam, but they basically pushed all these guys contracts to mostly all be ending in 2024, rather than spreading it out a bit between 23 and 24.

 

[MRB37]

Frampton also has the size to play on a big key forward, doesn't mean he's very good at it.

I'm guessing the idea is it doesn't get to Ratugolea being in a 1-1 contest if Aliir is free enough to chop those off and intercept or turn them into 2-1's.

 

[daniel_4tw]

Port with no picks lol. Maybe Butters going back to Victoria will get them a couple of first rounders.

 

[BACCS]

I'm guessing the idea is it doesn't get to Ratugolea being in a 1-1 contest if Aliir is free enough to chop those off and intercept or turn them into 2-1's.

Yeah, I can see what their idea is, but I can see it getting exposed against the absolute elite key forwards like it has for the last couple of years.

 

[soli goat]

I hope there is a random trade request to Crom

 

[BACCS]

I'm also guessing we're gonna be losing/cutting quite a few guys this time next year too. There's still a big list of ? guys, your McHenry, Sholl, Hamill, Bond, Parnell, Cook types who haven't been able to nail down a spot for various reasons. Add in Walker, Sloane and Smith potentially all retiring and Himmelberg probably leaving we've got the potential to have more than a few spots there next year, so I don't think hitting the draft again in the top end is the worst long-term move.

Next year if we need to top up that experience level a bit we can look at a few guys, like we did a few years ago with Keays, Crocker and Hinge to round out the side, and they may even be able to do that again this year in the rookie draft. Or the old David Noble method too where he targetted fringe guys like Lynch, Jenkins, Seedsman etc, but this year I don't think we had the spots to do it.

Ideally we'd of had more flexibility in our list this year to add some more pieces to improve the depth a bit having lost Doods and McAdam, but they basically pushed all these guys contracts to mostly all be ending in 2024, rather than spreading it out a bit between 23 and 24.

I also think there's a better list of OOC players in 2024 as well and are players that are realistic chances of coming home. I mentioned them in the other thread, but talking about Sparrow, Powell and Phillipou as young mids with B+ to A grade potential, and a smokey in Cumming as another outside quality ball user (leverage his relationship with Tex and more opportunities). Petty is a wait and see based on how Murray returns, whether Butts can return to his best and Keane continues to improve.

 

[Scorpus]

I'm also guessing we're gonna be losing/cutting quite a few guys this time next year too. There's still a big list of ? guys, your McHenry, Sholl, Hamill, Bond, Parnell, Cook types who haven't been able to nail down a spot for various reasons. Add in Walker, Sloane and Smith potentially all retiring and Himmelberg probably leaving we've got the potential to have more than a few spots there next year, so I don't think hitting the draft again in the top end is the worst long-term move.

Next year if we need to top up that experience level a bit we can look at a few guys, like we did a few years ago with Keays, Crocker and Hinge to round out the side, and they may even be able to do that again this year in the rookie draft. Or the old David Noble method too where he targetted fringe guys like Lynch, Jenkins, Seedsman etc, but this year I don't think we had the spots to do it.

Ideally we'd of had more flexibility in our list this year to add some more pieces to improve the depth a bit having lost Doods and McAdam, but they basically pushed all these guys contracts to mostly all be ending in 2024, rather than spreading it out a bit between 23 and 24.

Not exactly ideal list management to have Walker, Smith, Sloane, McHenry, Sholl, Hamill, Bond, Parnell, Himmelberg, and Cook all coming out of contract at the same time.

Walker might earn himself another contract, and maybe Bond given he's a younger player (but I doubt it).

The rest should all be moved on which is 8 players in the one year.

Really we should be paying out the contract of Hamill and trading Himmelberg to get two extra selections/new players in this year just to balance it out a bit

And this frequently happens during a rebuild. Clubs bring in a whole bunch of players at once then need to shed the ones that don't work out, and usually you find out about these guys at a similar time as the best 22 takes shape.

The worst outcome would be handing out another year to guys like Smith or McHenry or Sholl that definitely aren't part of the future just because we can't fill 8 list spots at once