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[WaynesWorld19]

I remember seeing a photo but nothing seems to have come from it so perhaps it was overblown

OR covered up

 

[1990crow]

OR covered up

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Didn't Stengle break his wrist at the start of the season and miss a bunch of games?

 

[George Kramer]

OR covered up

So you know how to respond to some posts

 

[ftmch]

Both. The clubs coach sets the tone. The club recruited a known bad influence into the club. The player is obviously loose but that’s the type of player that needs a strong club.

Look at Stengle at Adelaide v Geelong, one club got the best out of him and turned him into a premiership player, the other couldn’t be that club.

You don't reckon Geelong reaped the benefit of the tough love dealt to Tyson after he was cut for his indiscretion?

FWIW, I don't think we should have cut him (for our own selfish reasons), but in terms of his development arc, him being cut was a massive kick up the arse and all round reality check for him. Geelong's ability to 'get the best out of him' was more about opportunism, swooping in and reaping the benefits of the reality check we gave him.

Good on them for doing so, but it's apples and watermelons in terms of the comparison on this one.

 

[George Kramer]

You don't reckon Geelong reaped the benefit of the tough love dealt to Tyson after he was cut for his indiscretion?

FWIW, I don't think we should have cut him (for our own selfish reasons), but in terms of his development arc, him being cut was a massive kick up the arse and all round reality check for him. Geelong's ability to 'get the best out of him' was more about opportunism, swooping in and reaping the benefits of the reality check we gave him.

Good on them for doing so, but it's apples and watermelons in terms of the comparison on this one.

So he could have gone to any club and the same outcome?

 

[ftmch]

So he could have gone to any club and the same outcome?

Define 'same outcome'?

 

[George Kramer]

Define 'same outcome'?

Play career best football, have his off field life under control

 

[jenny61_99]

So he could have gone to any club and the same outcome?

Was Eddie Betts at the other clubs?

 

[George Kramer]

Was Eddie Betts at the other clubs?

See this is what I don’t get about this board. The point being made is clubs do impact on a players development, on and off field. That’s why a clubs culture is talked up so much. Some clubs have a very strong culture, some like Melbourne we are seeing at the moment don’t. Part of that is down to the example of set by the coach. Stengle going to Geelong or Stengle going to Melbourne could have led to 2 different outcomes.

I get accused of not letting go but this is a classic example, posters popping in putting their two cents in who don’t even understand the argument which keeps it going.

 

[Bearded Clam]

So he could have gone to any club and the same outcome?

If you read the article that was written about Stengle and his return to AFL football.. and the words of Anna (eddies missus) when they interviewed her for the article.. She actually credits WWT for helping Tyson turn it all around and resurrecting his career.. not Geelong. He was already on track before he landed at geelong..

Which is an even more damning indictment against the crows..

Even a pissant little SANFL club showed it could deal with and help manage a troubled player better than the crows could!.

The crows just dumped him like a hot potato so it could look tough on troubled players to the media and its pathetic appricot slice munching brigage of tossers that make up a fair chunk of its supporter base..

And boy didnt that backfire for the crows.. he turned into an AA small forward that won a flag.. and we got NOTHING for him in return!..

Just more brilliant list management!..

 

[jenny61_99]

See this is what I don’t get about this board. The point being made is clubs do impact on a players development, on and off field. That’s why a clubs culture is talked up so much. Some clubs have a very strong culture, some like Melbourne we are seeing at the moment don’t. Part of that is down to the example of set by the coach. Stengle going to Geelong or Stengle going to Melbourne could have led to 2 different outcomes.

I get accused of not letting go but this is a classic example, posters popping in putting their two cents in who don’t even understand the argument which keeps it going.

My understanding is that part of the reason Stengle was able to pull his socks up because he was living with Eddie and Anna. Now, is that attributable to Geelong the Club?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Why is it always something wrong with the player, never our fault?

Does that go both ways ?

Have we turned Dawson into a superstar ? What about Rankine ?

Gibbs had a few personal issues and is a very different character , I’d say that’s poor scouting on our behalf on whether he was going to be in right head space to play good footy for us

 

[George Kramer]

My understanding is that part of the reason Stengle was able to pull his socks up because he was living with Eddie and Anna. Now, is that attributable to Geelong the Club?

If Geelongs coach was shall we say “loose” and a recent recruit was even “looser”, would that have been a good environment for Stengle?

This whole discussion started with Oliver and how much it’s the player and how much the club. Clearly the Melbourne club environment isn’t a good one.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He helpedthemwinaflag

I think that’s the main point , he needed to be at a really strong club with strong leaders and values

He was also ready for it having something taken away from him and had some personal growth year at the eagles

Good on him for taking his chances and changing some of his ways

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Geelongs coach was shall we say “loose” and a recent recruit was even “looser”, would that have been a good environment for Stengle?

This whole discussion started with Oliver and how much it’s the player and how much the club. Clearly the Melbourne club environment isn’t a good one.

Agree

And certainly Geelong was a much stronger club with stronger culture than the crows when Stengle changed clubs

 

[Crows I Am]

“Nick Murray and Jordon Butts are no longer with the club”

Well I guess they are not at the club right now as they are on their end of season break... So maybe that is what he meant??

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not totally correct re dumping him, he was told if he went back to the SANFL and kept his nose clean and behaved himself we'd revisit it, pretty sure it was his/his management's decision to have the Crows void his contract at that time not the Crows?

Hahahahaha… come on Mutineer.. there is no way you are that naive..

He was dumped.

The weasel words used by the crows that you speak of were just that. They knew that there was no chance he was going to accept that strange offer.. but they couldnt do it any other way as he was still contracted to them as a player..

They effectively pushed him out in a way that blocked him all access to the club even though he was still contracturally linked to the club.

It was a fxxkn joke.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

OMG haha that's the worst footy journalism I've read for a while

It's amazing how low the bar is set for footy journalism. There are kids working at McDonalds with more professionalism.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Nope, it was his/managements decision to void his contract.

Yeah..

Cause the other option, that the crows had given them, was totally unworkable..

 

[ftmch]

Play career best football, have his off field life under control

Absolutely. I think his career best footy stemmed from getting his off field life under control, which stemmed from the almighty reality check he received around the repercussions for him if he didn't.

I'm not downplaying Geelong's role in helping him achieve that - they are a great club that's well run. But he was going to show a improvement in attitude, focus and (as a result) form wherever he went.

 

[skittlebrew]

Yeah..

Cause the other option, that the crows had given them, was totally unworkable..

We've pulled similar shit in the past. Ala offer Lyons a disrespectfully bad contract, then claimed he left us - not that he was pushed out the door.

 

[skittlebrew]

Absolutely. I think his career best footy stemmed from getting his off field life under control, which stemmed from the almighty reality check he received around the repercussions for him if he didn't.

I'm not downplaying Geelong's role in helping him achieve that - they are a great club that's well run. But he was going to show a improvement in attitude, focus and (as a result) form wherever he went.

Do you really think he isn't still doing the same things off field at Geelong...

Do you think there aren't other players currently on our list playing well who have similar issues?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Do you really think he isn't still doing the same things off field at Geelong...

Do you think there aren't other players currently on our list playing well who have similar issues?

Leopards don't change their spots

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Absolutely. I think his career best footy stemmed from getting his off field life under control, which stemmed from the almighty reality check he received around the repercussions for him if he didn't.

I'm not downplaying Geelong's role in helping him achieve that - they are a great club that's well run. But he was going to show a improvement in attitude, focus and (as a result) form wherever he went.

Imagine turning up and you have Chris Scott , Jezza Cameron and the Hawk next to you , Selwood up the field a bit , Isaac Smith , Dangerfield etc

We couldn’t provide that strength of direction of a mature team with a single minded focus on a premiership that they’d been working toward for nearly 10 yrs

Right time for Stengle after what he’d been thru , right place