Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Mostyn]

... and why TF would the AFL want to allow Port to do this?

Port's playing list is now in a diabolical state, and a large part of the reason for this is that they have traded away so many high draft picks in recent years. They are the poster child for the AFL to say "no you can't do this - you need to use 1st round picks in this year's draft".

Port has played multiple prelims in recent years, and are in strong financial position. Zero chance the AFL is going to tell them that they don;t know what they;re doing and they need to be prevented.

If NWM says he wants to go to Port, there is zero chance that the AFL is going to put in an arbitrary ruling to prevent player movement - they'll find a reason why it's okay.

 

[Vader]

Port has played multiple prelims in recent years, and are in strong financial position. Zero chance the AFL is going to tell them that they don;t know what they;re doing and they need to be prevented.

If NWM says he wants to go to Port, there is zero chance that the AFL is going to put in an arbitrary ruling to prevent player movement - they'll find a reason why it's okay.

They will force Port to find a way of trading for NWM, without compromising the 2x 1st round picks in 4 years rule.

There is zero chance that they will be given "special permission" to count NWM as one of their 1st round picks.

 

[FR0GGY]

... and why TF would the AFL want to allow Port to do this?

Port's playing list is now in a diabolical state, and a large part of the reason for this is that they have traded away so many high draft picks in recent years. They are the poster child for the AFL to say "no you can't do this - you need to use 1st round picks in this year's draft".

Because they can and because NWM is a sure bet whereas a draft pick is not.

 

[119others]

Because they can and because NWM is a sure bet whereas a draft pick is not.

'is a sure bet whereas a draft pick is not.'

Froggy - this is a joke surely?

 

[George Kramer]

'is a sure bet whereas a draft pick is not.'

Froggy - this is a joke surely?

Surely you get it? A proven jet vs an unknown quality, could be Bont could be McHenrey

 

[FR0GGY]

'is a sure bet whereas a draft pick is not.'

Froggy - this is a joke surely?

Why would it be a joke?
You think NWM could be a fail from here?

 

[spenze]

Why would it be a joke?
You think NWM could be a fail from here?

He will if he goes to Port

 

[Crow-eater]

They haven't relaxed it at all. JHF was the #1 pick only 12 months earlier. This is exactly the type of player they had in mind when they created the "special permission" exception.

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell that they'll grant "special permission" for a 22yo 4th year player.

Unless that 22yo 4th year player wants to go to Geelong. Then it's fine.

 

[ams4crows]

They will force Port to find a way of trading for NWM, without compromising the 2x 1st round picks in 4 years rule.

There is zero chance that they will be given "special permission" to count NWM as one of their 1st round picks.

The AFL would love Butters at a Vic club, I'm sure the AFL would find a way to force their hand. Like yeah sure you can have NWM but you can't use any 1st rounders you currently have you'll need to trade them in by trading out a player of note

 

[Peter Doherty]

Butters will go this year. Trade him this year for maybe two picks or take a FA compo next year.

 

[spenze]

Butters will go this year. Trade him this year for maybe two picks or take a FA compo next year.

Butters loves it here, don't think he wants back

 

[Peter Doherty]

Butters loves it here, don't think he wants back

Then he should have no issue extending this year.

Which then removes the prospect of an average FA compo pick next year.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Actually he would be a RFA anyway.

 

[spenze]

Actually he would be a RFA anyway.

He would indeed.

I think he will be happier when Carr gets the keys

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Re Port and NWM

A non-Victorian club taking a player from a Victorian club?

I'm guessing that'll be a no from AFL House

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Sure, but from what we've seen he's already an obvious future star.

Phillipou no obvious position yet, and injury riddled.

Good time to buy low

 

[rabidcrow]

21 and 22 aren't within the necessary period which would be 23 to 26, there has been no change to the 2 in 4 year rule announced

I know - but it does go to the fact they would get an exemption


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[rabidcrow]

They have no 2025 1st rd pick currently. Only 2026 and 2027 future picks.
They can't trade 2026 pick currently as only Berry would count for the 4 yr period 2023 to 2026. Sinn(2021) and JHF2022) picks will no longer be relevant.
2027 future pick won't have as much currency 'cos of Tassie team entry.
So in short if they want to trade a big fish in this year they need to trade a big fish out.

Also I don’t think the AFL will be forward looking with picks. If they trade their 2026 first they would likely be allowed to- but perhaps have to trade forward their 2027 pick or get another first rounder in. Highly unlikely they would block 2026 pick trade by counting it in the 4 year period when who knows what would happen in 2026 trading


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[50BC]

Also I don’t think the AFL will be forward looking with picks. If they trade their 2026 first they would likely be allowed to- but perhaps have to trade forward their 2027 pick or get another first rounder in. Highly unlikely they would block 2026 pick trade by counting it in the 4 year period when who knows what would happen in 2026 trading


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That's completely wrong. The whole point of the 2 in 4 year rule is to prevent clubs emptying their hand year on end. So of course they count the 4 years to the year the pick is from. That's the whole point.

 

[spenze]

Good time to buy low

I think he'd be a great get, be good to put a lot of work in so when Port luck out when NWM signs again, we will be good again...makes us have a heck of a team

 

[Mostyn]

That's completely wrong. The whole point of the 2 in 4 year rule is to prevent clubs emptying their hand year on end. So of course they count the 4 years to the year the pick is from. That's the whole point.

No, the point is so they don't end up like the Cleveland Cavaliers in the 1970s, who traded out draft picks for way less than they were worth to get aging veterans. It's called the Stepien Rule.

If clubs are proposing trades that make commercial sense for them both and they're not putting their future at genuine risk, the AFL will always bend. They're not going to aggressively step in to prevent player movement. They'll find a way to ensure the clubs can get it done.

 

[DJ75]

They will force Port to find a way of trading for NWM, without compromising the 2x 1st round picks in 4 years rule.

There is zero chance that they will be given "special permission" to count NWM as one of their 1st round picks.

This is the same organisation that currently has a person who was the Geelong COO overseeing the investigation into their financial dealings.
He's literally overseeing a review into his own decisions.

This corrupt organisation will allow and do anything they want, as long as they get the outcome they want.

 

[jo172]

Re Port and NWM

A non-Victorian club taking a player from a Victorian club?

I'm guessing that'll be a no from AFL House

There's a bit in this. Dawson, Rankine, Peatling and Cumming good buys in the sense that they don't cause too much a stir amongst head quarters (the wailing about Rankine was bad enough at the time)

 

[aabp1978]

Re Port and NWM

A non-Victorian club taking a player from a Victorian club?

I'm guessing that'll be a no from AFL House

Yeah, but remember it is the Saints..no one (even the AFL) cares about the Saints…

 

[Coopers]

This is the same organisation that currently has a person who was the Geelong COO overseeing the investigation into their financial dealings.
He's literally overseeing a review into his own decisions.

Maybe he's had a serious falling out with them and wants Geelong to get fined