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The Anvil said:
No-one disputes Oliver's football ability, but teams don't move away from an elite player unless there is a downside that it very serious.

The Pies didn't with DeGoey, the Tigers didn't with Martin, and even we didn't with TT. So why do the Dees want to? They are in the premiership window, it makes no sense on footballing skill alone.
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The most interesting thing mentioned was Oliver may be pushing this more than Melb are
 

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Melbourne are proving a point to Oliver to shape up attitude wise or we can trade you, you aren't untouchable - don't think they would trade him unless something excellent comes their way like a Ben King or H.McKay etc.

If we were a top 8 side then it's worth asking but at thecurrent development cycle, lets just build with the talent and draft that we have rather than spend it on a 26yo with a 1mill salary till 2030.
 
The Anvil said:
No-one disputes Oliver's football ability, but teams don't move away from an elite player unless there is a downside that it very serious.

The Pies didn't with DeGoey, the Tigers didn't with Martin, and even we didn't with TT. So why do the Dees want to? They are in the premiership window, it makes no sense on footballing skill alone.
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There's a few other factors at play here when compared to the likes of De Goey and TT.

1. Even as damaged goods he holds significantly more value than either of them do/did. So any deal for him still has a real chance of rejuvenating their list with high end picks. They will be more open to trading Oliver for two top 10 picks than we would by getting lowballed for pick 20 for Tarryn Thomas. We can't afford to lose TT - there's an argument moving Oliver on might be best for Melbourne's list long term.

2. De Goey and TT, whilst on well above average coin, weren't on one of the largest deals in the league with 7 years remaining. That's a hell of a risk for Melbourne if he indeed is on 2 strikes or is off the rails. De Goey was a pre-agent and TT has 1 year left (2 years left if discussing last years rumors). Oliver will be on the combined wages of both TT and De Goey....
 
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Edmund said on the radio earlier other clubs believe Olivers contract to be one of the largest, if not the largest contract in the league because of it's commercial terms.

He's on around $1m per season at the moment, but has a clause in it to specifically compound the CBA % increases as they come into effect. It's not a common clause, especially on that size deal.

He could be on $1.4m per season for the back half of the 7 years.


I suspect part of this may be Melbourne trying to shed a contract that might have gotten out of control once the AFL finalised the new CBA wage increases.
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Wouldn’t surprise me one but the demons are Treloaring him out the door, this has all the hallmarks of blowing up spectacularly. As Oliver’s other recreational will get shoved into the spotlight.
 

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The career of Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver is in limbo as the Demons hold serious talks over his future.

The Demons have become frustrated with elements of his professionalism and attitude and have attracted inquiries from rival clubs about whether they would be prepared to trade him.


Essendon, St Kilda, Adelaide, and possibly, Geelong could emerge as potential suitors as the clubs gather more information.

Melbourne officials have told rival clubs they do not want to part ways with the brilliant midfielder and four-time best and fairest-winner.

But there is a belief the club will be prepared to make the hard call on the 26-year-old if he is unprepared to commit to the on and off field standards the club requires.

Melbourne declined to comment on Oliver’s situation on Wednesday, but rivals have questioned whether there was an incident in Oliver’s exit meeting with the coaches which has fuelled unrest around his future.


The next few days will be crucial as the Demons privately weigh up any interest from rival clubs.

The Demons would demand at least two first-round draft picks in any trade but clubs also face a significant challenge finding $1 million a year to accommodate Oliver’s mega seven-year wage in the salary cap.

His pay packet is believed to soar to $1.3 million a year when it expires in 2030 following a 37 per cent rise in the salary cap in the latest Collective Bargaining Agreement.

It represents a huge gamble for Melbourne if it proceeds with talks with rival clubs about Oliver when trade period begins on Monday.

But five years after Melbourne parted with Jesse Hogan the club is yet to rule out making one of the biggest punts in recent trade period history.

There are hopes the furore over his future over the past 24 hours will help spark Oliver into making necessary changes to his professionalism and off-field commitment the club craves.

It is part of a firm stance the club is taking on its list as it strives to capitalise on its premiership window following two failed years.

Melbourne, which Oliver helped lead to a commanding premiership win in 2021, has bowed out of the finals in straight sets over the past two years.


And club leaders are vowing to go to every length required to ensure it returns to the top with one of the most talented lists in the competition from next season.

But there is a strong desire to see Oliver lift his standards after struggling with the frustrations of a hamstring injury, and to a lesser extent an infected blister on his foot, which sidelined him for 10 games this season.

Oliver also battled a knee injury late in the season.

The Demons face a backlash from fans if the club followed through with a trade on the sublime ballwinner who is already considered one of the club’s greatest players.

But there is also an opportunity for Melbourne to use the returns for Oliver to snare the No. 1 pick from West Coast and secure outstanding draft prospect Harley Reid.

Melbourne already has picks five, 13 and 24. Two more first-round picks would give it the capital to strike a deal for Reid, who the club has tracked closely this season.

But there are concerns for the midfield without Oliver as the club is also set to lose James Jordon and Brodie Grundy to Sydney Swans, while James Harmes is also on the lookout for a new home.

Gun tall Luke Jackson departed for Fremantle last year.

However Melbourne is unwavering to set a high bar for its playing group as it prepares to enter next season ready to play to its full potential with a star-studded list.
 
giantroo said:
Trade radio played the Clarry/Jy clip. 'Interesting' .
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I agree it is "interesting" that the podcast is 6 months old and now they are using it to fuel their agenda 😂
 
Sphynx said:
Edmund said on the radio earlier other clubs believe Olivers contract to be one of the largest, if not the largest contract in the league because of it's commercial terms.

He's on around $1m per season at the moment, but has a clause in it to specifically compound the CBA % increases as they come into effect. It's not a common clause, especially on that size deal.

He could be on $1.4m per season for the back half of the 7 years.


I suspect part of this may be Melbourne trying to shed a contract that might have gotten out of control once the AFL finalised the new CBA wage increases.
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$1.4 mil is huge coin, you would be asking Melbourne to contribute the CBA % increases.
 
The Anvil said:
No-one disputes Oliver's football ability, but teams don't move away from an elite player unless there is a downside that it very serious.

The Pies didn't with DeGoey, the Tigers didn't with Martin, and even we didn't with TT. So why do the Dees want to? They are in the premiership window, it makes no sense on footballing skill alone.
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Exactly, the guy must be really damaged goods and on top of that GoDees wanting multiple first rounders is ludicrous.
 
Sphynx said:
There's a few other factors at play here when compared to the likes of De Goey and TT.

1. Even as damaged goods he holds significantly more value than either of them do/did. So any deal for him still has a real chance of rejuvenating their list with high end picks. They will be more open to trading Oliver for two top 10 picks than we would by getting lowballed for pick 20 for Tarryn Thomas. We can't afford to lose TT - there's an argument moving Oliver on might be best for Melbourne's list long term.

2. De Goey and TT, whilst on well above average coin, weren't on one of the largest deals in the league with 7 years remaining. That's a hell of a risk for Melbourne if he indeed is on 2 strikes or is off the rails. De Goey was a pre-agent and TT has 1 year left (2 years left if discussing last years rumors). Oliver will be on the combined wages of both TT and De Goey....
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And we can’t afford to cough up 2 first rounders either if he is on 2 strikes as it effectively puts us where we are for longer.

We simply can’t risk ****ing this draft up for some guy who could be out the door in a year or worse still **** over the culture we are trying to rebuild, you know the one where the players actually do the right thing.
 
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