List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[desie]

Two out of three ain’t bad: Roos’ draft bonanza after Ben McKay compensation finalised

The Kangaroos now hold picks two and three in this year’s national draft, but there is no way they would hand over both quality picks for the No.1 selection.

www.theage.com.au

Two out of three ain’t bad: Kangaroos draft bonanza after Ben McKay compensation finalised​

By Peter Ryan, Michael Gleeson and Marc McGowan​

October 10, 2023 — 7.03pm


Having secured pick three as compensation for losing free agent Ben McKay to Essendon, North Melbourne have ruled out any prospect they would be prepared to hand over both picks two and three to West Coast to land the prized No.1 pick in this year’s national draft.

While the Kangaroos - who now hold picks 2, 3, 15 and 21 as well as a first round selection and two end of first round picks in the 2024 national draft - are still open to trying to secure the No.1 pick in this year’s draft they will not be giving away both picks 2 and 3 in an attempt to satisfy the Eagles according to an industry source familiar with the discussions who was not authorised to speak publicly.

It means the Kangaroos will, at least, take two of the top three picks into this year’s national draft.

Harley Reid is the player most club recruiters rate as the No.1 selection, but there are a range of players including Daniel Curtin, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders who still appeal to all clubs as quality players in the top 10 selections.

The Kangaroos selected Harry Sheezel and George Wardlaw with picks three and four in last year’s national draft after making a bid on the Lions’ father-son Will Ashcroft at pick No.2. Sheezel won the Kangaroos’ best and fairest award and AFL Rising Star award in his first season.

McKay accepted a six-year deal to join Essendon where he will play under his first AFL coach Brad Scott. McKay played in just eight wins in the 71 matches he played in eight seasons at North Melbourne since being pick No.21 in the 2015 national draft.

Meanwhile, Melbourne are closing in on securing a second top draft pick to potentially make a plunge for one of the most sought after players at the top of the draft.

Melbourne have tempted Gold Coast with pick 14 and second round draft picks in exchange for pick 11. Two industry sources said Melbourne were eager to get pick 11 to bracket with their existing first pick now at six (tied to Fremantle’s finish) to make a play for one of top few draft picks.


Other clubs including Adelaide were still hopeful they could winkle pick 11 from the Suns while North, who have picks 15 and 21 are also interested.

Brodie Grundy’s wish to become a Swan has hit a snag, with his current club Melbourne rejecting Sydney’s first offer for the star ruckman.

Two industry sources told this masthead the Demons believed the offer of picks 46 and 54 was far too modest for someone of Grundy’s stature, and shut it down emphatically.

I love how they quote the 8 wins in 71 games thing ad nauseum, as though Magoo somehow had that inflicted on him and he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[JGreezy]

I would do 6 and 11 for 3.

I would, too. Because 6 still gets you one of Duursma, Sanders, Watson or Curtin.

 

[Rajeshtalk]

Why wouldnt they? Hes been labelled the next Matthew Pavlich.

Pick 3 and another 1st rounder is probably overs to be honest

Pick 3 and 20 would get you Darcy but he’s settled, them chucking on young would not be in their interests as they see themselves as a final contender next year

 

[krakouers]

This would throw a spanner in the works:

With our favourite trading partner

North give: Pick 3, 2024 PP (Pick 20), and a guarantee we don't take Curtin at 2.
North get: Sean Darcy, Hayden Young

Put the ball back in West Coasts court. If they want to demand 2 and 3 for pick 1, then do the next best thing, and give their biggest rival a chance.

Nothing would be funnier than Curtin playing 250 games for Fremantle and West Coast missing out on him due to being stubborn.

Really believe in kicking someone when they are down, don’t you?

 

[krakouers]

A mobile, leading CHF that can lead up the wings and provide some possession retention across HF is something we have been screaming out for for 5 years. If we can jag 2-3 years out of him, this could work. Provided we have 2 other young players developing in the wings.

He barely made the end of this year, dunno where you are getting 2-3 years from?

 

[Sillygit]

Gotta love how hook line and sinker people fall for "generational talent"

 

[Arathrawn]

Gotta love how hook line and sinker people fall for "generational talent"

Yeah but next years draft is a super draft

 

[Sillygit]

Yeah but next years draft is a super draft

Its super duper, with a single talent greater than the bronze and iron ages put together. But the one year after that , hoo baby, one player is better than the collective consciousness of the universe.

 

[ohmygewd]

I haven't seen much coverage of him play, but he should have passed the ball a lot more than he did, a lot of low probability shots on goal when guys were in a better position, which isn't what you want to see even if he is capable of kicking them, it isn't the team thing to do. No doubt he has tricks, but that package gives me some concerns.

I honestly value team oriented play much much higher than figjaming. GWS bombed out of the PF because everyone decided to be a low probability hero when they got to the PF by doing team oriented things.

Ummm you know he is a small forward and not a midfielder/fwd? He has innate goal sense, bloody good leap for his size, bloody quick on the lead, great turn, keeps his feet, repeat efforts, great strength for his size, often played one out in the fwd fifty, spent a lot of time this year playing mid and hb to show recruiters he's not one dimension but he is 100% small forward of the mercurial type.

Tell me Tas, when was our last great small forward?

 

[sruss]

Serious question, when was the last time a future draft was considered “deep” and then kept that rating by the time the kids in it actually became eligible. It feels like every current draft is weak with next years crop meant to be a bumper, year after year

 

[Heaps of fun]

I love how they quote the 8 wins in 71 games thing ad nauseum, as though Magoo somehow had that inflicted on him and he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Yeah, I've been loving that one too. At a point you start to become a common denominator. We won 2/3 games without him this year.

 

[Shinboner1]

Trade period needs to be a week.
This shit drags on too long

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Freo wouldn’t do that deal, I don’t think clubs draft to spite others aha anyway in this scenario we get Reid right? That’s a huge win

Just take him then. The majority on here prefer the combo of McKercher and Curtin over Reid.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

is Powell or Phillips gettable?

Powell would be imo. You couldn't offer us shitty picks though. If Geelong want more picks at the end of the first round this year and/or next year and are happy to throw in this years first then a deal could be done. Phillips is definitely not going anywhere.

 

[Sillygit]

Trade period needs to be a week.
This s**t drags on too long

SO F*CKING LONG. we are 40 f*cking days from the draft

 

[My Left Foote]

Cooney just said if we don't win a GF in the next five years we should be moved to Tassie

Glad Adam could take time out from doing his 48th Mega Trade of the week to focus on little old us.

 

[Crazy Horse]

I know. Next years PPs for 10. We go to draft with 2, 3, 11, 15, 21.

If Brady can get this and the Fisher/Stephens deals done tomorrow morning he should treat himself to a nice lunch, grab his phone and spend the next 8 days on golf course.

We don't need anything else but if we keep quiet there's every chance something good will fall in our lap anyway.

No point complicating things now, just take it easy and enjoy a bit of good fortune for once.

 

[Sean_09]

This would throw a spanner in the works:

With our favourite trading partner

North give: Pick 3, 2024 PP (Pick 20), and a guarantee we don't take Curtin at 2.
North get: Sean Darcy, Hayden Young

Put the ball back in West Coasts court. If they want to demand 2 and 3 for pick 1, then do the next best thing, and give their biggest rival a chance.

Nothing would be funnier than Curtin playing 250 games for Fremantle and West Coast missing out on him due to being stubborn.

That's gotta be a piss take Wouldn't trade Young or Darcy for Pick 3, let alone both.

 

[My Left Foote]

Are Powell or Phillips gettable

Are Powell or Phillips gettable?

 

[krakouers]

If Brady can get this and the Fisher/Stephens deals done tomorrow morning he should treat himself to a nice lunch, grab his phone and spend the next 8 days on golf course.

We don't need anything else but if we keep quiet there's every chance something good will fall in our lap anyway.

No point complicating things now, just take it easy and enjoy a bit of good fortune for once.

We can trade picks up to and including draft day
Agree he can take some time away, just after the deadline closes
Someone may get desperate in those closing hours

 

[shinboner magic]

Eagles either draft Reid or we get the farm from north, there really is no bad scenario for us

Good luck with that - Cunners might have something to say about his farm

 

[lockheed]

In Bard they trust

They will learn

 

[Crazy Horse]

We can trade picks up to and including draft day
Agree he can take some time away, just after the deadline closes
Someone may get desperate in those closing hours

Yep, get a couple of deals done tomorrow then chill out until deadline day. The offers will be coming thick and fast then and if we're smart we should make out like bandits.

 

[the big lebowski]

Serious question, when was the last time a future draft was considered “deep” and then kept that rating by the time the kids in it actually became eligible. It feels like every current draft is weak with next years crop meant to be a bumper, year after year

2018

 

[Rajeshtalk]

Well north have categorically ruled out trading picks 2 and 3 for 1 so we can settle that debate, we get Reid you guys get 2 pretty good kids too