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I might be in the minority but I never worry about the go home factor. Not even after last year.
Probably the first who left us to go home since Scotty Welsh.

That's a bloody good strike rate on our part.
 
I would trade Zurharr. I’ve said this before and got shouted down but we would get a really good player for him and imo we have enough players like him. He’s overrated on here. Shake things up.

It also amuses me when people put George into their 23s over Ford, Stevo and Curtis - not having a crack at you - but the bloke is yet to play a game!!
I wouldn't be trading a proven match winner. One of our only A graders on the list.

Agree with your second point though.
 
People wanting trade Zurhaar, one of our only proven match winners ffs.
Yes true, all those matches we’ve won recently…In all seriousness I’d back in Sheezel, Larkey, TT, LDU and Wardlaw at the very least to be match winners from next year. Curtis, Stevo and Ford have that potential as well. Cam is great to watch when on but he is a highly rated (overrated on this board) player we could afford to trade for a very good player in a position of need.
Imo.
 
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I'm not sure a salary dump would stand up to scrutiny given it has been reported they already have a $2M war chest they need to spend.
Imagine what we must have.
McKay, Cunners, JZ and Goldie all off the books + had war chest before that (or heavily front loading current players)
 
We're going to have to find some height from somewhere.

OUT:
Goldstein 201cm
Edwards 202cm
McKay 200cm

And we don't have many tall players on the list to start with.

The only guys in that 200cm range now will be Larkey, Free, Comben, Xerri, CJ.

Larkey isn't a ruck or KPD option so all senior spots and depth have to come from that small pool, until we bring more talls in.
 
Just to put everyone's mind at ease, Curtin is completely fine with moving states. Happy to go anywhere.
At 195cm he's ideal attacking KD size. But if it turns out he's Pav like he becomes a real weapon and that big bodied mid pinch hitter which is a point of difference to all our other mids.
 
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Yes true, all those matches we’ve won recently…In all seriousness I’d back in Sheezel, Larkey, TT, LDU and Wardlaw at the very least to be match winners from next year. Curtis, Stevo and Ford have that potential as well. Cam is great to watch when on but he is a highly rated (overrated on this board) player we could afford to trade for a very good player in a position of need.
Imo.

Maybe overrated but still wouldn't be looking at getting rid of him just yet....


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We're going to have to find some height from somewhere.

OUT:
Goldstein 201cm
Edwards 202cm
McKay 200cm

And we don't have many tall players on the list to start with.

The only guys in that 200cm range now will be Larkey, Free, Comben, Xerri, CJ.

Larkey isn't a ruck or KPD option so all senior spots and depth have to come from that small pool, until we bring more talls in.

Take your pick


PLAYER HEIGHTS​

211cm (6' 11")
Mate Colina, Mason Cox

210cm (6' 11")
Alex Mirkov

209cm (6' 10")
Max Gawn, Lachlan McAndrew, Ned Reeves, Jarrod Witts

208cm (6' 10")
Sam Darcy, Tim English

207cm (6' 9")
Rory Lobb

206cm (6' 9")
Kyah Farris-White, Max Knobel, Ned Moyle, Braydon Preuss, Samson Ryan, Henry Smith, Jordon Sweet

205cm (6' 9")
Toby Conway, Sam Draper, Sam Hayes, Kalin Lane

204cm (6' 8")
Darcy Cameron, Jonathon Ceglar, Sam De Koning, Darcy Fort, Max Heath, Lachlan Keeffe, Nick Madden, Oscar McInerney, Cameron Owen, Liam Reidy, Ivan Soldo, Kieran Strachan, Brynn Teakle

203cm (6' 8")
Harry Barnett, Nick Bryan, Sean Darcy, Jacob Edwards, Hamish Free, Eric Hipwood, Scott Lycett, Lloyd Meek, Darcy Moore, Shannon Neale, Max Ramsden, Thomas Scully, Peter Wright

202cm (6' 8")
Mac Andrew, Harris Andrews, Brodie Grundy, Tom Hickey, Ben King, Max King, Peter Ladhams, Ben McKay, Nic Naitanui, Reilly O'Brien, Hudson O'Keeffe, Marc Pittonet, Zach Reid, Riley Thilthorpe, Dante Visentini, Tristan Xerri, Lewis Young

201cm (6' 7")
Kieren Briggs, Tom Campbell, Joe Daniher, Tom De Koning, Matthew Flynn, Billy Frampton, Todd Goldstein, Callum Jamieson, Harry Lemmey, Kyle Marshall, Rowan Marshall, Alex Pearce, Andrew Phillips, Oscar Steene, Bailey J. Williams

200cm (6' 7")
Ben Brown, Mabior Chol, Callum Coleman-Jones, Nikolas Cox, Charlie Dixon, Harry Edwards, Tom Fullarton, Elliott Himmelberg, Max Lynch, Harry McKay, Rhys Stanley

199cm (6' 6")
Josh Bruce, Levi Casboult, Charlie Comben, Sam Durdin, Lance Franklin, Dougal Howard, Luke Jackson, Liam Jones, Mitchell Lewis, Tom J. Lynch, Toby Nankervis, Josh Schache, James Stewart, Will Verrall

198cm (6' 6")
Mark Blicavs, Sandy Brock, Jedd Busslinger, Jordon Butts, Phoenix Foster, Tom Hawkins, Emerson Jeka, Alex Keath, Isaac Keeler, Nick Larkey, Todd Marshall, Ben Miller, Esava Ratugolea, Matt Taberner, Jack Williams

197cm (6' 6")
Oscar Adams, Joel Amartey, Thomas Barrass, Aiden Begg, Phil Davis, Joshua Draper, Will Edwards, Jeremy Finlayson, Ryan Gardner, Lewis Hayes, Ollie Lord, Cian McBride, Jeremy McGovern, Hayden McLean, Conor Nash, Bigoa Nyuon, James O'Donnell, Jack Payne, Harrison Petty, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Sam Weideman

196cm (6' 5")
Jed Adams, Oscar Allen, Jye Amiss, Charlie Ballard, James Blanck, Jeremy Cameron, Anthony Caminiti, Hugh Davies, Kallan Dawson, Sam Day, Wade Derksen, Josh Gibcus, Harrison Jones, Jacob Koschitzke, Nathan Kreuger, Logan McDonald, Aaron Naughton, Sam Reid, Robbie Tarrant, Sam Taylor, James Van Es, Tylar Young

195cm (6' 5")
Leek Aleer, Matthew Allison, Rhett Bazzo, Eric Benning, Nick Blakey, Kaelan Bradtke, Jack Buckley, Aaron Cadman, Greg Clark, Zaine Cordy, Aidan Corr, Brennan Cox, Patrick Cripps, Charlie Dean, Denver Grainger-Barras, Harrison Himmelberg, Jesse Hogan, Henry Hustwaite, Matthew Jefferson, Darragh Joyce, Jack Lukosius, Paddy McCartin, Tom McDonald, Daniel McStay, Jake Riccardi, Jordan Ridley, Jake Stein, Josh Treacy, Jacob Weitering, Josh Worrell, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher

194cm (6' 4")
Domanic Akuei, Aliir Aliir, Edward Allan, Noah Balta, Marcus Bontempelli, Chris Burgess, Sam Collins, Jai Culley, Charlie Curnow, Darcy Fogarty, Sam Frost, Caleb Graham, Dylan Grimes, Joel Hamling, Jack Hayes, Mark Keane, Will Kelly, Jake Lever, Ned Long, Reef McInnes, Lewis Melican, Nick Murray, Caleb Poulter, Cody Raak, Jack Silvagni, Adam Tomlinson, Daniel Turner, Patrick Voss, Taylor Walker, Tom Wilson

193cm (6' 4")
Blake Acres, Kaine Baldwin, Josh Battle, Tom Brown, Heath Chapman, Tom Clurey, Alex Davies, Aaron Francis, Lachlan Gollant, Max Gruzewski, Jack Gunston, Nick Haynes, Thomas Highmore, Daniel Howe, Ashley Johnson, Mitch Knevitt, Jake Kolodjashnij, Jayden Laverde, Griffin Logue, Caleb Marchbank, Steven May, Tom McCallum, Tom McCartin, Brodie McLaughlin, Tim O'Brien, Jack Riewoldt, Josh Rotham, Trey Ruscoe, Jack Scrimshaw, Jai Serong, Cooper Sharman, Kye Turner, Jacob Van Rooyen

192cm (6' 4")
Marcus Adams, Noah Anderson, Jacob Bauer, Jarrod Berry, James Borlase, Nathan Broad, Tyler Brown, Finn Callaghan, Charlie Constable, Cameron Fleeton, Darcy Gardiner, Mitchell Georgiades, Tom Green, Jack Henry, Joel Jeffrey, Matthew Johnson, Brodie Kemp, Kyle Langford, Ryan Lester, Jack Macrae, Nic Martin, Brody Mihocek, Nathan Murphy, Jake Pasini, Will Setterfield, Jake Stringer, Jake Waterman, Josh Weddle, Mason Wood

191cm (6' 3")
Dominic Bedendo, Ryan Burton, Luke Cleary, Nicholas Coffield, Brayden Cook, Jack Darling, Jordan Dawson, Will Day, Josh Dunkley, Nat Fyfe, Jason Gillbee, Reuben Ginbey, Will Gould, Jackson Hately, Brady Hough, Blake Howes, Connor Idun, Buku Khamis, Kamdyn McIntosh, Trent McKenzie, Luke Nankervis, Mark O'Connor, Mitchito Owens, Scott Pendlebury, Lachie Plowman, Joel Smith, Callum Wilkie, Elliot Yeo

190cm (6' 3")
Bailey Banfield, Aiden Bonar, Riley Bonner, Will Brodie, Josh Carmichael, Josh Corbett, Jack Crisp, Tom Doedee, Neil Erasmus, Jy Farrar, Josh Goater, Hugh Greenwood, Mitch Hannan, Jeremy Howe, Jake Kelly, Patrick Lipinski, Mitch McGovern, Max Michalanney, Rhett Montgomerie, Oscar Murdoch, Mattaes Phillipou, Paul Seedsman, Tom Stewart, Sam Sturt, Tarryn Thomas, Bailey Williams, Lachie Young, Cameron Zurhaar

189cm (6' 2")
Miles Bergman, Miller Bergman, Connor Blakely, Jack Bytel, Patrick Dangerfield, Luke Edwards, Luke Foley, Eddie Ford, Oliver Henry, Dyson Heppell, Mitchell Hinge, Elijah Hollands, Max Holmes, Finn Maginness, Brayden Maynard, Luke McDonald, Sam Menegola, Clayton Oliver, Flynn Perez, Jaxon Prior, Gary Rohan, Jakob Ryan, Jeremy Sharp, Brodie Smith, Jaidyn Stephenson, Hayden Young

188cm (6' 2")
Angus Brayshaw, Callum M Brown, Jack Carroll, Adam Cerra, Thomas Cole, Lachlan Cowan, Isaac Cumming, Bailey Dale, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Jordan De Goey, Willem Drew, Mitch Duncan, Bayley Fritsch, Fergus Greene, Hugo Hall-Kahan, Nick Holman, Ethan Hughes, Jayden Hunt, Tom Jonas, Matthew Kennedy, Cameron Mackenzie, Finlay Macrae, James Madden, Oleg Markov, Justin McInerney, Angus McLennan, Tim Membrey, Carter Michael, Nathan O'Driscoll, Archie Perkins, Jack Petruccelle, Wil Powell, Dane Rampe, Ed Richards, Trent Rivers, Oliver Sestan, Isaac Smith, Cooper Stephens, Conor Stone, Tim Taranto, Curtis Taylor, Bodhi Uwland, Jimmy Webster, Alex Witherden, Karl Worner, Jack Ziebell

187cm (6' 2")
Jackson Archer, Lachie Ash, Jordyn Baker, Sam Banks, Nathan Barkla, Jack Bowes, Alex Cincotta, Hayden Crozier, Sam Docherty, Billy Dowling, Josh Fahey, Brayden Fiorini, Brayden George, Cameron Guthrie, Zach Guthrie, William Hamill, George Hewett, Michael Hibberd, Jacob Hopper, Shannon Hurn, James Jordon, Daniel Lloyd, Dustin Martin, Andrew McPherson, Callum Mills, Caleb Mitchell, Ben Paton, Christian Petracca, Sam Powell-Pepper, Hugo Ralphsmith, Mason Redman, Jack Ross, Sebastian Ross, James Sicily, Josh Sinn, Brandon Starcevich, Jack Steele, Zane Trew, Elijah Tsatas, James Tunstill, Zach Tuohy, Nick Vlastuin, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Callan Ward, Ollie Wines

186cm (6' 1")
Jed Bews, Jase Burgoyne, Campbell Chesser, Hunter Clark, Ryan Clarke, Brad Crouch, Arlo Draper, Liam Duggan, Trent Dumont, Xavier Duursma, Tom Emmett, Aaron Hall, James Harmes, Will Hayward, Elijah Hewett, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dan Houston, Bailey Humphrey, Lachlan Jones, Ben Keays, Jack Martin, Rhys Mathieson, Shane McAdam, Beau McCreery, Jake Melksham, Josh Morris, Anthony Munkara, Jai Newcombe, Nic Newman, Xavier O'Halloran, Fionn O'Hara, Xavier O'Neill, Harry Perryman, Sam Philp, Cameron Rayner, James Rowbottom, Luke Ryan, Bailey Scott, Alex Sexton, Dom Sheed, Lachlan Sholl, David Swallow, Brandon Walker, Dylan Williams, Zac Williams, James Worpel

185cm (6' 1")
Ryan Angwin, Rory Atkins, Thomas Berry, Jack Billings, Hugh Bond, Andrew Brayshaw, Coby Burgiel, Jordan Clark, Nakia Cockatoo, Ben Cunnington, Paul Curtis, Oliver Dempsey, Tyrell Dewar, Luke Dunstan, Sam Durham, Robbie Fox, Jack Ginnivan, Isaac Heeney, Josh Honey, Jason Horne-Francis, Changkuoth Jiath, Flynn Kroeger, Kai Lohmann, Connor MacDonald, Jaiden Magor, Hugh McCluggage, Judd McVee, James Peatling, Deven Robertson, Connor Rozee, Marc Sheather, Harry Sheezel, Bailey Smith, Adam Treloar, Lachie Whitfield, Conrad Williams, Nathan Wilson, Marcus Windhager

184cm (6' 0")
Oskar Baker, Luke Breust, Sam Butler, Ted Clohesy, Matthew Cottrell, Jamie Cripps, Nick Daicos, Paddy Dow, Thomson Dow, Oliver Florent, Andrew Gaff, Matt Guelfi, Cooper Hamilton, Oliver Hollands, Lloyd Johnston, Tim Kelly, Adam Kennedy, Sean Lemmens, Tom Liberatore, Ben Long, Jarryd Lyons, Conor McKenna, Daniel McKenzie, Lachlan McNeil, Jackson Mead, Wayne Milera, Lochie O'Brien, Jaeger O'Meara, Marlion Pickett, Tom Powell, Lachie Rankin, Matthew Roberts, Christian Salem, Liam Shiels, Luke Shuey, Steele Sidebottom, Roarke Smith, Dylan Stephens, Liam Stocker, Darcy Tucker, Sam Walsh, Jacob Wehr

183cm (6' 0")
Callum Ah Chee, James Aish, Noah Answerth, Jaxon Binns, Travis Boak, Shadeau Brain, Tanner Bruhn, Jye Caldwell, Charlie Clarke, Trent Cotchin, Matt Crouch, Noah Cumberland, David Cuningham, Oskar Faulkhead, Sam Flanders, Jaspa Fletcher, Michael Frederick, Ben Hobbs, Lachie Hunter, Darryl McDowell-White, Toby McMullin, Harry Morrison, Luke Parker, Luke Pedlar, Daniel Rich, Harry Schoenberg, Jy Simpkin, Sam Simpson, Rory Sloane, Tom Sparrow, Josh Ward, Rhylee West, James Willis, Darcy Wilmot, Chad Wingard

182cm (5' 11")
Jed Anderson, Will Ashcroft, Zac Bailey, Sam Berry, Jordan Boyd, Dan Butler, Seth Campbell, Blake Coleman, Keidean Coleman, Stephen Coniglio, Francis Evans, Kane Farrell, Toby Greene, Blake Hardwick, Bradley Hill, Hugh Jackson, Chayce Jones, Zak Jones, Josh Kelly, Ed Langdon, Bailey MacDonald, Toby McLean, Tom Mitchell, Andy Moniz-Wakefield, Oisin Mullin, Quinton Narkle, Alex Neal-Bullen, Harry Rowston, Harry Sharp, Dylan Shiel, Zac Taylor, Laitham Vandermeer, George Wardlaw, Corey Warner, Lachie Weller, Connor West, Taj Woewodin

181cm (5' 11")
Taylor Adams, Karl Amon, Lachie Bramble, Tyler Brockman, Zak Butters, Darcy Byrne-Jones, Ryan Byrnes, Braeden Campbell, Jhye Clark, Bradley Close, Leo Connolly, Harry Cunningham, Ed Curnow, Alwyn Davey Jnr, Taylor Duryea, Brandon Ellis, Harvey Gallagher, Jack Graham, Harvey Harrison, Olli Hotton, Jason Johannisen, Alastair Lord, Seamus Mitchell, Tariek Newchurch, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Will Phillips, Izak Rankine, Liam Ryan, Anthony Scott, Jack Sinclair, Deakyn Smith, Kaleb Smith, Tyler Sonsie, James Tsitas, Cooper Vickery, Corey Wagner, Chad Warner, Cooper Whyte

180cm (5' 11")
Tom Atkins, Charlie Cameron, Judson Clarke, Jayden Davey, Orazio Fantasia, Lachie Fogarty, Cooper Harvey, Liam Henry, Nick Hind, Arthur Jones, Jamaine Jones, Charlie Lazzaro, Jake Lloyd, Rhyan Mansell, Robbie McComb, Andrew McGrath, Jye Menzie, Jesse Motlop, John Noble, Brandan Parfitt, Darcy Parish, Isaac Quaynor, Malcolm Rosas, Matthew Rowell, Jake Soligo, Kayne Turner, Sam Wicks, Isiah Winder

179cm (5' 10")
Toby Bedford, Steely Green, Bailey Laurie, Noah Long, Ned McHenry, Zach Merrett, Gryan Miers, Matthew Owies, Josh Rachele, Daniel Rioli, Maurice Rioli, Caleb Serong, Angus Sheldrick, Sam Switkowski, Jack Viney, Tex Wanganeen, Cody Weightman

178cm (5' 10")
Ben Ainsworth, Joshua Bennetts, Trent Bianco, Massimo D'Ambrosio, Josh Daicos, Jamie Elliott, Riley Garcia, Jack Higgins, Jarman Impey, Lincoln McCarthy, Touk Miller, Dylan Moore, Cooper Murley, Lachie Neale, Jack O'Sullivan, Patrick Parnell, Jack Peris, Osca Riccardi, Adam Saad, Lachlan Schultz, Jayden Short

177cm (5' 10")
Blake Drury, Jade Gresham, Jacob Konstanty, Rory Laird, Jack Mahony, Hewego Paul Oea, Tom Papley, Joe Richards

176cm (5' 9")
Shai Bolton, Errol Gulden, Jed McEntee, Michael Walters

175cm (5' 9")
Jake Bowey, Connor Budarick, Kade Chandler, Zac Fisher, Bobby Hill, Darcy Jones, Darcy MacPherson, Dion Prestia, Willie Rioli, Will Snelling, Tyson Stengle, Dayne Zorko

174cm (5' 9")
Brent Daniels, Lachlan Murphy

173cm (5' 8")
Liam Baker, Travis Colyer, Corey Durdin, Phoenix Spicer

172cm (5' 8")
Charlie Spargo

171cm (5' 7")
Caleb Daniel, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Kysaiah Pickett
 
Love this. Curtin is by far the biggest list need.

We must walk out of the draft with 1 of reid or Curtin. I wouldn’t be giving anything up other than ports first to move up to 1 to take reid. I think Curtin at 2 is almost as good and definitely a need.

Just worry about the go home factor however at the end of the day you have to back your environment in.
The new CBA makes it interesting that new draftees now have a mandatory 3 year contract. Just like it now makes it more appetising for WCE to take Reid, the same also applies for us and Curtain.

It will come down to if WCE value the home grown talent and the extra they will get over Harley Reid. It won’t be as easy for them to pry Curtain from us with a 3 year contract in place.
 
can we trade curtis taylor?
I would take a pick in the 40s for him in a heartbeat
 
Yes true, all those matches we’ve won recently…In all seriousness I’d back in Sheezel, Larkey, TT, LDU and Wardlaw at the very least to be match winners from next year. Curtis, Stevo and Ford have that potential as well. Cam is great to watch when on but he is a highly rated (overrated on this board) player we could afford to trade for a very good player in a position of need.
Imo.

Cam also has a hard edge we lack, and has the intangible ability to lift the group.
 
People wanting trade Zurhaar, one of our only proven match winners ffs.
Match winner is a bit much. We are 4/44 (1 of those he didn’t play in) in the last 2 years. He is a good player but he has a tendency to pick and choose when he is good. I imagine injury has been a factor in that.
 
Match winner is a bit much. We are 4/44 (1 of those he didn’t play in) in the last 2 years. He is a good player but he has a tendency to pick and choose when he is good. I imagine injury has been a factor in that.
out of those games, he kicked the winning goal in 1 which means 25% of games won, is because of him.
 
out of those games, he kicked the winning goal in 1 which means 25% of games won, is because of him.
now that is an interesting use of stats. anything about the games when he's not feeling "confident"?
 
out of those games, he kicked the winning goal in 1 which means 25% of games won, is because of him.
He has more or less been our second tall forward for most of those games. So he has done well. He will be more dependable when he has the 3rd best defender
 
Match winner is a bit much. We are 4/44 (1 of those he didn’t play in) in the last 2 years. He is a good player but he has a tendency to pick and choose when he is good. I imagine injury has been a factor in that.
The team has sucked so its a bit unfair, but when he turns it on he's very damaging which is what people mean by matching winning. In an better side which we're working towards, those games would more often than not be wins.
 
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