List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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zoomba23 said:
Has Brady been fleeced in his time at the club? Reckon he's been ok so far
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We very much played overs for CCJ. I like CCJ too but a top of 2nd round pick for a fringe player is not worth. He also didn't get much for Benny Brown. There has been a few others too.
Brady is only half of that equation too, Dodo is notorious for getting a kings ransom in trades.
I didn't meant that he's been terrible, but i suppose it does beg the question, "what is a fleece?"
 

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Band 1 is still a dream, but it's been said that Ben's pricetag is in that region and multiple clubs have been published as being interested. Doesn't mean any of the media reports are true, but if they are then it's a perfect storm for us to actually get what we want if he leaves.
 
Full Chooks said:
We very much played overs for CCJ. I like CCJ too but a top of 2nd round pick for a fringe player is not worth. He also didn't get much for Benny Brown. There has been a few others too.
Brady is only half of that equation too, Dodo is notorious for getting a kings ransom in trades.
I didn't meant that he's been terrible, but i suppose it does beg the question, "what is a fleece?"
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Fair. I'd give him a pass at this stage. Had Poort decided not to reincarnate their 2014 team, that mega deal would've looked like a masterstroke too. Fleece is imo too strong but he's obviously not up there with the best in the league
 
Psicosis said:
It's better then Band 2, which is another possibility.

We all want Band 1, but lets just acknowledge some reality for a minute.
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roos_fanatic08 said:
Just knowing how many times we have been ****ed over by the AFL, I'm pretty certain that we won't end up with a decent priority pick and we won't get first round compo for Ben McKay.

A couple of end up first round picks is in all likelihood what it will be. So I wouldn't be banking on multiple top 10 picks.
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Psicosis said:
I'd be pleasantly shocked if it went any other way.
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roos_fanatic08 said:
My thought's also.

This talk of us ending up with 3 first round picks (2,pp & compo for McKay) is fanciful at best.
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I think you're both simply being distrustful of the AFL, as a general principle. There's also "Why can't we have nice things?" as a precautionary emotional state. While I can understand the default 'beware' mindset, I think there is also some evidence and argument for a favourable outcome.

FIRSTLY, while the decision to grant a priority pick is still 'at the discretion of the AFL Commission', their formula considers factors such as:
  • premiership points that a club has received over a period of years (with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • a club's percentage over time (indicating on-field competitiveness, with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • any finals appearances that a club has made in recent seasons, :whitecheck:
  • any premierships that a club has won in recent seasons, and :whitecheck:
  • a club's injury rates in each relevant season. :whitecheck:
As above, I think we more than qualify for 'something' based on the above base criteria. While not always great, our injury levels haven't played a major factor in our recent record; certainly not 2 wins level bad. I imagine the club would also argue that, in addition to not making finals since 2017, that we also haven't made a GF since 1999. Even Fremantle and GWS have done that.

So, on the face of it, despite F2 and F3 draft picks we had to trade away, and two extra rookie list spots, I think another poor year, even with a good coaching set up, suggests we could do with more assistance. I'm sure the AFL would be concerned about us going into another year as mere cannon fodder for other teams.

SECONDLY, surely the 2019 GC package highlights that granting us a single, first round pick, linked to our first pick is relatively poor in comparison. Yes, I get that GC are a special consideration for the AFL, but so too is not having any team remain fundamentally non-competitive for too long. They got:

4x Priority Picks over three years, with two in the first year, specifically:

— Picks 1 (priority) and 2 (natural) in the 2019 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 20) of the 2019 draft.
— A mid first-round pick (currently Pick 11) of the 2020 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 19) of the 2021 draft.

Considerable Academy Access for three years, including:

— Provision of the Darwin region as an academy zone.
— Ability to pre-sign Suns academy players (including those from Darwin) without bidding

Plus, an increased rookie list of up to 10 players. Ten players!

When you look at that, a single priority pick after our first, isn't such a big deal as a comparison. Indeed, suggestions of being able to pre-sign NGA players isn't beyond the pale, along with, perhaps, retaining the extra couple of list spots for another year or two.

THIRDLY, should Ben McKay choose to depart (and we don't get Himmelberg) if the salary level is high enough, a top tier compensation pick isn't beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed it would almost be mandated in terms of where his salary sits within the top paid players across the AFL. I have little doubt, like Daniher, we'll use the system to all but guarantee the optimal outcome. Other clubs, or supporters of other clubs may squeal, especially if we end up with 2,3 and 4 in the draft, but McKay and priority assistance are separate issues and should be considered as such.

I'll add that, thus far, Andrew Dillon seems far less of a dill than Gill. The comments about the Weagles showing he's got the big picture and fundamental intentions of the priority pick situation clearly in mind.
 
Full Chooks said:
We very much played overs for CCJ. I like CCJ too but a top of 2nd round pick for a fringe player is not worth. He also didn't get much for Benny Brown. There has been a few others too.
Brady is only half of that equation too, Dodo is notorious for getting a kings ransom in trades.
I didn't meant that he's been terrible, but i suppose it does beg the question, "what is a fleece?"
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Not sure the Go Dees got much from the Benny Brown deal either!


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Kimbo said:
I think you're both simply being distrustful of the AFL, as a general principle. There's also "Why can't we have nice things?" as a precautionary emotional state. While I can understand the default 'beware' mindset, I think there is also some evidence and argument for a favourable outcome.

FIRSTLY, while the decision to grant a priority pick is still 'at the discretion of the AFL Commission', their formula considers factors such as:
  • premiership points that a club has received over a period of years (with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • a club's percentage over time (indicating on-field competitiveness, with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • any finals appearances that a club has made in recent seasons, :whitecheck:
  • any premierships that a club has won in recent seasons, and :whitecheck:
  • a club's injury rates in each relevant season. :whitecheck:
As above, I think we more than qualify for 'something' based on the above base criteria. While not always great, our injury levels haven't played a major factor in our recent record; certainly not 2 wins level bad. I imagine the club would also argue that, in addition to not making finals since 2017, that we also haven't made a GF since 1999. Even Fremantle and GWS have done that.

So, on the face of it, despite F2 and F3 draft picks we had to trade away, and two extra rookie list spots, I think another poor year, even with a good coaching set up, suggests we could do with more assistance. I'm sure the AFL would be concerned about us going into another year as mere cannon fodder for other teams.

SECONDLY, surely the 2019 GC package highlights that granting us a single, first round pick, linked to our first pick is relatively poor in comparison. Yes, I get that GC are a special consideration for the AFL, but so too is not having any team remain fundamentally non-competitive for too long. They got:

4x Priority Picks over three years, with two in the first year, specifically:

— Picks 1 (priority) and 2 (natural) in the 2019 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 20) of the 2019 draft.
— A mid first-round pick (currently Pick 11) of the 2020 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 19) of the 2021 draft.

Considerable Academy Access for three years, including:

— Provision of the Darwin region as an academy zone.
— Ability to pre-sign Suns academy players (including those from Darwin) without bidding

Plus, an increased rookie list of up to 10 players. Ten players!

When you look at that, a single priority pick after our first, isn't such a big deal as a comparison. Indeed, suggestions of being able to pre-sign NGA players isn't beyond the pale, along with, perhaps, retaining the extra couple of list spots for another year or two.

THIRDLY, should Ben McKay choose to depart (and we don't get Himmelberg) if the salary level is high enough, a top tier compensation pick isn't beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed it would almost be mandated in terms of where his salary sits within the top paid players across the AFL. I have little doubt, like Daniher, we'll use the system to all but guarantee the optimal outcome. Other clubs, or supporters of other clubs may squeal, especially if we end up with 2,3 and 4 in the draft, but McKay and priority assistance are separate issues and should be considered as such.

I'll add that, thus far, Andrew Dillon seems far less of a dill than Gill. The comments about the Weagles showing he's got the big picture and fundamental intentions of the priority pick situation clearly in mind.
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This is a 100% spot on!!
We have a better case for priority pick/s than GC were when they got the kings ransom handed to them, based on all the parameters you listed.
We ain’t the AFL darlings like GC though…
It’s actually ******* BS that we have been given a couple breadcrumbs only after the last 3 years!!
Plenty of teams have been given first round picks for sucking not even half as bad as we do currently.
If as expected we only win another 1 or 2 games for the year & don’t get a decent priority pick, then the priority pick is officially dead.
Hopefully Andrew Dillon thinks it isn’t dead…
 
Kimbo said:
I think you're both simply being distrustful of the AFL, as a general principle. There's also "Why can't we have nice things?" as a precautionary emotional state. While I can understand the default 'beware' mindset, I think there is also some evidence and argument for a favourable outcome.

FIRSTLY, while the decision to grant a priority pick is still 'at the discretion of the AFL Commission', their formula considers factors such as:
  • premiership points that a club has received over a period of years (with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • a club's percentage over time (indicating on-field competitiveness, with greater weight to recent seasons), :whitecheck:
  • any finals appearances that a club has made in recent seasons, :whitecheck:
  • any premierships that a club has won in recent seasons, and :whitecheck:
  • a club's injury rates in each relevant season. :whitecheck:
As above, I think we more than qualify for 'something' based on the above base criteria. While not always great, our injury levels haven't played a major factor in our recent record; certainly not 2 wins level bad. I imagine the club would also argue that, in addition to not making finals since 2017, that we also haven't made a GF since 1999. Even Fremantle and GWS have done that.

So, on the face of it, despite F2 and F3 draft picks we had to trade away, and two extra rookie list spots, I think another poor year, even with a good coaching set up, suggests we could do with more assistance. I'm sure the AFL would be concerned about us going into another year as mere cannon fodder for other teams.

SECONDLY, surely the 2019 GC package highlights that granting us a single, first round pick, linked to our first pick is relatively poor in comparison. Yes, I get that GC are a special consideration for the AFL, but so too is not having any team remain fundamentally non-competitive for too long. They got:

4x Priority Picks over three years, with two in the first year, specifically:

— Picks 1 (priority) and 2 (natural) in the 2019 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 20) of the 2019 draft.
— A mid first-round pick (currently Pick 11) of the 2020 draft.
— The first pick of the second round (currently Pick 19) of the 2021 draft.

Considerable Academy Access for three years, including:

— Provision of the Darwin region as an academy zone.
— Ability to pre-sign Suns academy players (including those from Darwin) without bidding

Plus, an increased rookie list of up to 10 players. Ten players!

When you look at that, a single priority pick after our first, isn't such a big deal as a comparison. Indeed, suggestions of being able to pre-sign NGA players isn't beyond the pale, along with, perhaps, retaining the extra couple of list spots for another year or two.

THIRDLY, should Ben McKay choose to depart (and we don't get Himmelberg) if the salary level is high enough, a top tier compensation pick isn't beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed it would almost be mandated in terms of where his salary sits within the top paid players across the AFL. I have little doubt, like Daniher, we'll use the system to all but guarantee the optimal outcome. Other clubs, or supporters of other clubs may squeal, especially if we end up with 2,3 and 4 in the draft, but McKay and priority assistance are separate issues and should be considered as such.

I'll add that, thus far, Andrew Dillon seems far less of a dill than Gill. The comments about the Weagles showing he's got the big picture and fundamental intentions of the priority pick situation clearly in mind.
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You need to email this to The Snoz, Sonja and Dillion ol boy.

CC in Euge as well.. he'll make it happen ;)
 
Full Chooks said:
We very much played overs for CCJ. I like CCJ too but a top of 2nd round pick for a fringe player is not worth. He also didn't get much for Benny Brown. There has been a few others too.
Brady is only half of that equation too, Dodo is notorious for getting a kings ransom in trades.
I didn't meant that he's been terrible, but i suppose it does beg the question, "what is a fleece?"
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Dodo has overpaid dramatically for md rangers, and stuffed the Daniher situation.
 

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New_Roo said:
Not sure the Go Dees got much from the Benny Brown deal either!


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That was a reasonable deal considering BB's form since the end of 2019.
 
Wouldn't be to bothered if buckets left. Surley the afl does us a favour and gives us a sneeky band 1 given our results. Dawson just needs to put on a bit more beef and I think he could be a decent back given the chance. Couldn't be too hard to find another mature back from another club for a lowish pick.
 



Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary.
Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million.

The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.


GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley.

Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month.

Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics.

Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player.



But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
 
giantroo said:



Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary.
Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million.

The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.


GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley.

Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month.

Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics.

Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player.



But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
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Cats?
 
giantroo said:



Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary.
Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million.

The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.


GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley.

Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month.

Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics.

Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player.



But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
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God I hope he picks us.

He is exactly what we need, and if we could couple that up with a salary dump with one of their picks that’s a win-win-win
 
roos_fanatic08 said:
God I hope he picks us.

He is exactly what we need, and if we could couple that up with a salary dump with one of their picks that’s a win-win-win
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But didn’t you read the article rf08? Only teams challenging could go for this type of salary dump?? 🙃🙄.

Wouldn’t it only be feasible for teams rebuilding to go for this situation as comparatively they have fewer players on huge money?
 
roos_fanatic08 said:
God I hope he picks us.

He is exactly what we need, and if we could couple that up with a salary dump with one of their picks that’s a win-win-win
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As per the article other clubs would try to trade for him on the cheap, not with picks coming back. Plus GWS want to keep him.

The one on their list to salary dump that they’d want to lose is Haynes.
 
SpiderBurton22 said:
Liam Henry, Freo whipping boy rated below average in disposal efficiency and contested possession rate.

Smells like a shitmen to me.
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Wow man, just wow. You cannot be a Shitmen elsewhere. We have been crafting Shitmen for over 20 years.

If Liam is to be a Shitmen it will be our doing, it’s what we do.

I misspelt Shitmen and it auto corrected, I think I’ve made it, finally .
 
ferball said:
That was a reasonable deal considering BB's form since the end of 2019.
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Agree it was a fair deal but many on here thought he was worth at least a first, some even two.... talking of fleecing he was trying to get some 3m from us 850k across 4... so we got that off the books too


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Mav said:
Yeah, takes me 40 mins to walk to Adelaide Oval. The best cricket ground in the World. What a s**t hole.
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I live in Melbourne but have worked in Adelaide. I reckon Adelaide is a great city. Big enough to have all the cap city stuff but none of the big city problems like traffic. Adelaide Oval is a class venue
 
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