Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Yardie]

Ralph’s ‘company’ is AFL players and legends on a daily basis. You’d dream to be in his position.

Look Jon. It's still a silly trade.

 

[KermitJagger]

Ralph’s ‘company’ is AFL players and legends on a daily basis. You’d dream to be in his position.

I don't really hero worship like that.

He's more than welcome to enjoy the parasitic relationship he has with AFL players and legends who probably find him as slimy and untrustworthy as the average fan does. Doesn't make the trade any smarter than when you suggested it.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Ralph’s ‘company’ is AFL players and legends on a daily basis. You’d dream to be in his position.

Kidding yourself if you think these players and legends associate with him

These media journos spend their days hanging shit on players and then you think they want to associate post football

Noone dreams to be in position where they are the narcissist within an organization but they don't realize it

A position some of these journos are finding themselves in

 

[I got the outside word]

Ralphy suggesting exactly what I suggested a couple of days back. It went down like a lead balloon on here. Are you ok? The bolded below suggests that trade isn't even enough lol

Hawthorn​

This is where it gets interesting because Hawthorn would offer up a pick currently at No.3 and have WA-based talent the Eagles might genuinely be interested in.

Subiaco’s Tyler Brockman and Swan Districts No.6 draft pick Denver Grainger-Barras both fit the age demographic and needs.

Brockman could be anything as a clever, exciting small forward, while Grainger-Barras has not yet lived up to expectations as a strong defensive interceptor.

But if the Eagles list team that watched him so closely as a teen were still in love with him, he is still only 21 and would slot into a succession plan for Jeremy McGovern.

Clearly, it would only be the start of a package for Reid.

And the Hawks are in a similar spot – desperate to maximise all their assets to bring in depth of talent rather than just one quality player per draft.

But Reid, in that midfield alongside Josh Ward, Will Day, Cam Mackenzie and Jai Newcombe, is a mouth-watering prospect.

This comes across as you bragging but I’m not sure you should be.

 

[Sixpence]

This is Simon Crawshay using Bradkli to back him up all over again!

 

[hawkinoz]

Clearly Eagles would want Brocky if we wanted to get pick one from them. They'd be mad not to.

Probably DGB too, but he wouldn't have as much currency as fans think on here. He's coming from a long way back, no guarantees there.

I don't really see anything wrong with what Ralphy said. That's probably the cost and perhaps even the dogs second.

But yeah, I don't think the club will actively look at it tbh. Unless Brocky requests a trade home, which others have said won't happen. So great.

Let's get a key forward.

problem I have with this view is, treating this as a non-joke makes this an anchor in any negotiations.

I am sad that a few here are not taking that as a Joke offer. I laughed at DGB + pick 3 + F1. My best offer is DGB + 3. Only say that so that I can then trade pick 1 to some one else who will give pick 5-6 + 2 1st rounders( 1 of them can be F1).

Else I prefer to just use pick 3 and be done with it.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Ralphy suggesting exactly what I suggested a couple of days back. It went down like a lead balloon on here. Are you ok? The bolded below suggests that trade isn't even enough lol

Hawthorn​

This is where it gets interesting because Hawthorn would offer up a pick currently at No.3 and have WA-based talent the Eagles might genuinely be interested in.

Subiaco’s Tyler Brockman and Swan Districts No.6 draft pick Denver Grainger-Barras both fit the age demographic and needs.

Brockman could be anything as a clever, exciting small forward, while Grainger-Barras has not yet lived up to expectations as a strong defensive interceptor.

But if the Eagles list team that watched him so closely as a teen were still in love with him, he is still only 21 and would slot into a succession plan for Jeremy McGovern.

Clearly, it would only be the start of a package for Reid.

And the Hawks are in a similar spot – desperate to maximise all their assets to bring in depth of talent rather than just one quality player per draft.

But Reid, in that midfield alongside Josh Ward, Will Day, Cam Mackenzie and Jai Newcombe, is a mouth-watering prospect.

So Ralph throws out the same scenario as you and you're right all of a sudden.
Give me a break.

 

[chopflop]

I more than happy with this outcome. I just threw a Hypothetical on the Hypothetical page. Crazy hey!

I wasn't being critical of your post or idea. I love the hypotheticals thread because all ideas are welcomed

 

[CHUBBSS]

Old Ralphy thinks we need to add more to get Pick one from the weagles.

Ralphy is a talking door knob

 

[Jazzfan]

problem I have with this view is, treating this as a non-joke makes this an anchor in any negotiations.

I am sad that a few here are not taking that as a Joke offer. I laughed at DGB + pick 3 + F1. My best offer is DGB + 3. Only say that so that I can then trade pick 1 to some one else who will give pick 5-6 + 2 1st rounders( 1 of them can be F1).

Else I prefer to just use pick 3 and be done with it.

No-one, not even Ralphy, is saying we should make that trade.

It's just the type of reality if a team is desperate for Harley, they're going to have to give up plenty. The type of package that makes fans uncomfortable really.

Ashcroft has been amazing this year, and it's reported most recruiters still would have taken Harley pick one last year... wild

Pick 3 and DGB significantly undersells the cost of Harley mate.

But like you, I don't actually think we will pay the price. Unless, unless, Brocky requests a trade which others say won't happen.

What Ralphy writes, or we have fun with on bigfooty, will have no impact on any discussions that may be had between clubs mate.

Giants are best positioned to pay given they'll have two and potentially three top 10 picks. Must be tempting for them.

 

[KermitJagger]

No-one, not even Ralphy, is saying we should make that trade.

It's just the type of reality if a team is desperate for Harley, they're going to have to give up plenty.

Ashcroft has been amazing this year, and it's reported most recruiters still would have taken Harley pick one last year... wild

Pick 3 and DGB significantly undersells the cost of Harley mate.

But like you, I don't actually think we will pay the price. Unless, unless, Brocky requests a trade which others say won't happen.

So in other words, Jon Ralph is getting paid to write the type of tripe that is posted on this board for free. Criminal, he's absolutely stealing a living.

 

[bigconornash]

Will Day (Hawthorn)

Cornes: “Sam Mitchell has gone, ‘Okay, I think I can trade Will Day for pick one’, are you doing that?”

King: “If Sam said that they’re walking him out of the joint.”

Cornes: “This guy (Harley Reid) is meant to be like Dustin Martin.”

King: “I’m doing it (trading pick one) for Will Day.”

Yes or no? Would Eagles trade pick one for these guns?

“Would you trade your pick for these players?”

www.sen.com.au

Kane Cornes on the Will Day train!!

 

[HeHateMe]

Yeah we will keep him thanks. But crazy how far the perception has come in 6 months. On the draft board at the start of year we had nuffs claiming he is only worth a "Mid second round", than it went to teens pick, than top 10. He signed on and now Kingy will trade Pick 1 for him.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah we will keep him thanks. But crazy how far the perception has come in 6 months. On the draft board at the start of year we had nuffs claiming he is only worth a "Mid second round", than it went to teens pick, than top 10. He signed on and now Kingy will trade Pick 1 for him.

Remember that Port nuffy who said that it was just wishful thinking from Hawks posters that he would even play midfield.

 

[KermitJagger]

Remember that Port nuffy who said that it was just wishful thinking from Hawks posters that he would even play midfield.

Insane how some people don't see the potential in players from the qualities they possess. Anyone could see from his draft highlights how quick thinking he was, that was the one thing that really leapt out for me. The touch, the ability to squeeze through traffic, keep his hands free, find outlet kicks.

 

[hawkinoz]

No-one, not even Ralphy, is saying we should make that trade.

It's just the type of reality if a team is desperate for Harley, they're going to have to give up plenty. The type of package that makes fans uncomfortable really.

Ashcroft has been amazing this year, and it's reported most recruiters still would have taken Harley pick one last year... wild

Pick 3 and DGB significantly undersells the cost of Harley mate.

But like you, I don't actually think we will pay the price. Unless, unless, Brocky requests a trade which others say won't happen.

What Ralphy writes, or we have fun with on bigfooty, will have no impact on any discussions that may be had between clubs mate.

Giants are best positioned to pay given they'll have two and potentially three top 10 picks. Must be tempting for them.

Ralphy is saying Eagles will want more and you jumped in and added the WB 2nd round pick. You gave the joke oxygen.

When we have pick 3, we don't need Reid. Now if we had pick 11, I may consider wild options like this. Pick 3 is still a very good player. Assuming both fulfill potential, will be roughly 90% of Reid's potential effect on a team. Other teams need mid's badly, we don't. We have other needs.

I am saying don't give this oxygen else it becomes a line in sand over a period of time. I am hoping that Tyler extends his contract soon that kills off any such speculation.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

i would be more inclined to consider a swap of Day for 1 than DGB, Brockman and picks for 1. Still wouldn't do it but at least you're only losing 1 talent vs potentially 3

 

[Jazzfan]

Ralphy is saying Eagles will want more and you jumped in and added the WB 2nd round pick. You gave the joke oxygen.

When we have pick 3, we don't need Reid. Now if we had pick 11, I may consider wild options like this. Pick 3 is still a very good player. Assuming both fulfill potential, will be roughly 90% of Reid's potential effect on a team. Other teams need mid's badly, we don't. We have other needs.

I am saying don't give this oxygen else it becomes a line in sand over a period of time. I am hoping that Tyler extends his contract soon that kills off any such speculation.

It's a hypothetical thread mate...

People will come with differing opinions. None of which gives anything oxygen. What we discuss in here has zero impact on the reality of anything trade related.

I do agree with you, I wouldn't be trading for Harley as it will cost an absolute package to do so. I don't think the club would either.

 

[FB19]

I wasn't being critical of your post or idea. I love the hypotheticals thread because all ideas are welcomed

All ideas except Barrett, Ralph and several BF posters of course.

 

[hardway]

If Harley Reid came with a wooden spoon it would be amazing for the future, if he comes with trading pick 3 + future 1st + Brockman + DGB you walk away and pick up a very good player at 3.

 

[FB19]

We need to move on from Reid we don’t have the assets to do it and aren’t at the right stage of rebuild to give up that much. Our focus needs to be to improve our draft hands this year and next, starting ideally with another pick before McCabe and any decent free agent this year. Watson Caddy McCabe is my hope.

 

[Jazzfan]

We need to move on from Reid we don’t have the assets to do it and aren’t at the right stage of rebuild to give up that much. Our focus needs to be to improve our draft hands this year and next, starting ideally with another pick before McCabe and any decent free agent this year. Watson Caddy McCabe is my hope.

Worpel remaining out of contract could become an interesting situation if that's still the case in a few months time.

He is playing fantastic this year, and I would assume he is re-signed, but it was interesting listening to Sam about the lack of midfield minutes available right now for guys like Ward, Mackenzie and especially CMAC.

I think there is raps on Hustwaite also as an inside mid?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Worpel remaining out of contract could become an interesting situation if that's still the case in a few months time.

He is playing fantastic this year, and I would assume he is re-signed, but it was interesting listening to Sam about the lack of midfield minutes available right now for guys like Ward, Mackenzie and especially CMAC.

I think there is raps on Hustwaite also as an inside mid?

Forget this. He will be with Hawthorn

 

[Howe Amazing]

No way Mitchell is looking to trade Kent with the talent he is showing, the time he and his family have spent with Kent’s family, and the way the club have looked after him. We need him and DGB. We could still finish last (hope not), who knows. Wherever we finish take first pick to draft and use our cap room to get more talent in (plus McCabe)

 

[number23]

What would we get for Jack Scrimshaw

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Jack Scrimshaw

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

200.7

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

167.0

3star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

155.6

3star

? Based on what he says here, what if Scrimma doesn't increase his work rate? Who would be interested?

Hawks coach admits young gun felt “out of reach”, explains reasons for Scrimshaw absence

Sam Mitchell has commented on the pair.

www.sen.com.au

“With Jack, he got drafted as an early pick and went to Gold Coast. We traded for him and were rapt to get him,” Mitchell said of Scrimshaw.

“I’ve had this conversation with him and his other coaches, and he’s a fantastic talent and he’s got through a lot of his career on his talent.

“Now the work rate to take his game to another level is required. He’s just got some things that he needs to work on. He understands that.